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Comparing Islam, Judaism and Christianity - 9/7/2010 1:56:04 PM

angelikaJ

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I found this very interesting:
http://www.religionfacts.com/islam/comparison_charts/islam_judaism_christianity.htm

Judaism, Islam and Christianity are collectively known as "Abrahamic religions" because they trace their history to the covenant God made with Abraham in the Hebrew Bible.

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RE: Comparing Islam, Judaism and Christianity - 9/7/2010 2:04:21 PM

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It was only later, when a few of them figured out that there was money to be made in pitting them against each other, that they started getting pitted against each other.

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RE: Comparing Islam, Judaism and Christianity - 9/7/2010 2:29:34 PM

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I would not call the link you provided very accurate...

One example is Jews identifying Jesus as a "false prophet"... I do not think that is the way Jews classify Jesus. I believe they think Jesus was a possible prophet, and at the very least a wise rabbi. Jews do not believe Jesus was the Messiah, which is a long ways from calling him a false prophet

http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/jewsandjesus/

There are other inaccuracies on that page

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RE: Comparing Islam, Judaism and Christianity - 9/7/2010 3:18:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

I found this very interesting:
http://www.religionfacts.com/islam/comparison_charts/islam_judaism_christianity.htm

Judaism, Islam and Christianity are collectively known as "Abrahamic religions" because they trace their history to the covenant God made with Abraham in the Hebrew Bible.

All three reference the same God. If memory serves me right, Islam took its roots from the handmaiden Abraham sent into the wilderness. The big diversions happen with the prophets. Christ for Christians, Muhammed for mulsims, neither of the above for judaism, at least in terms of being a superseding entity over the old testament.

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RE: Comparing Islam, Judaism and Christianity - 9/7/2010 3:45:40 PM

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From my understanding,it`s the same God for all three.

Of the three,Jewish folks for the most part are the most peaceful and have the least blood on their hands.The Muslims have a bit more but Christians,white Eurocentric Christians have done the most damage,historically.

I don`t think what the Israeli gov. is doing lately has anything to do with the Jewish faith.

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RE: Comparing Islam, Judaism and Christianity - 9/7/2010 4:04:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

I found this very interesting:
http://www.religionfacts.com/islam/comparison_charts/islam_judaism_christianity.htm

Judaism, Islam and Christianity are collectively known as "Abrahamic religions" because they trace their history to the covenant God made with Abraham in the Hebrew Bible.

All three reference the same God. If memory serves me right, Islam took its roots from the handmaiden Abraham sent into the wilderness. The big diversions happen with the prophets. Christ for Christians, Muhammed for mulsims, neither of the above for judaism, at least in terms of being a superseding entity over the old testament.

Then a split between Mohamed`s son and another guy for who was in charge began the Sunni/Shia split.

And how many forms and distortions of Christianity are there?Thousands.Most OK and not malicious,a few others,pretty awful.

The Moonies,the bookburning fundies,culture destroying Christian explorers,as well as Christians spreading homophobia through the church in Africa. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1wwe9-be2Y

I don`t believe exploiting people started with religion.I`m sure that`s been going on for forever.

Holding someone`s salvation over there head certainly make`s exploiting the flock easier ,I`ll bet.

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RE: Comparing Islam, Judaism and Christianity - 9/7/2010 6:02:07 PM

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Of the three,Jewish folks for the most part are the most peaceful and have the least blood on their hands.

Tell that to a Midianite.

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RE: Comparing Islam, Judaism and Christianity - 9/7/2010 6:03:56 PM

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A few corrections to the link:

1. There is no such thing as the "Jewish Bible". We follow the Old Testament.
2. As julia stated, Jews do not consider Jesus to be a false prophet, but instead a learned man with some interesting thoughts. We do not consider him to be divine, but have never called him false.
3. Under Major Splits, only two sects are recognized: Orthodox and Reform. There are also Conservatives, Falashas (Ethiopian Jews), and Hasidim, to my knowledge.
4. The Messiah info is Jesus-oriented, and omits that Jews believe that there will be a Messiah come to Earth, and he has not yet come. Christians believe that it will be Jesus, and that it will be the Second Coming.

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RE: Comparing Islam, Judaism and Christianity - 9/7/2010 6:17:53 PM

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Of the three,Jewish folks for the most part are the most peaceful and have the least blood on their hands.

I don`t think what the Israeli gov. is doing lately has anything to do with the Jewish faith.

Israelis are Jews....in case you forgot.

As a grandchild of a Holocaust survivor, I cannot believe what the Israelis have done and are doing to the Palestinians (I won't be so arrogant as to speak for my grandfather, but if our past conversations still hold true, he is just as against it as I am). If anyone would understand the horrors of genocide, we should. The Israelis are doing, almost identically, what was done to us. That is the truly horrific part.

Nevermind that nationalism isn't a concept to be found in Judaism. We hold no loyalty to any nation; loyalty is only to G-d.

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RE: Comparing Islam, Judaism and Christianity - 9/7/2010 7:06:04 PM

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1. There is no such thing as the "Jewish Bible". We follow the Old Testament.

That is so sad. Throw it away immediately! Let them go to a crossroads instead if they lack what they need, or not if they have it themselves already.

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2. As julia stated, Jews do not consider Jesus to be a false prophet, but instead a learned man with some interesting thoughts. We do not consider him to be divine, but have never called him false.

Did them Jews ever consider that they might be mistaken?

Something extraordinary did happen way back then. There are sufficient theological considerations to conclude that he indeed was the 'son of God', even if he wasn't. Indeed, that he was identical with the Divine and therefore also identical with the long dead pagan god of the Abrahamic Jews (and of everybody else, including the non-Abrahamic Jews).

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4. The Messiah info is Jesus-oriented, and omits that Jews believe that there will be a Messiah come to Earth, and he has not yet come. Christians believe that it will be Jesus, and that it will be the Second Coming.

Why do them Abrahamic Jews believe that? How will they recognize him or perhaps her? By her vagina, or by the wart on his left nostril? Tell me; I wanna know. How do they know that he did not come already, in the distant past, Jesus himself, Mohammed? Can it be that them Abrahamic Jews missed the boat at least two (Jesus & Mohammed), possibly three or more times already?

Why are them Abrahamic Jews so very much afraid of death and disease? Are they cowards? Do they lack faith?

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RE: Comparing Islam, Judaism and Christianity - 9/7/2010 7:23:10 PM

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Rule....granted, you have far more posts than I do, so I could very well be perceiving your tone in a mistaken manner...But, I don't think DarkSteven was saying anything in regards to righteousness, but rather, correcting the information on the OP's link.

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RE: Comparing Islam, Judaism and Christianity - 9/7/2010 8:06:34 PM

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Of the three,Jewish folks for the most part are the most peaceful and have the least blood on their hands.

I don`t think what the Israeli gov. is doing lately has anything to do with the Jewish faith.

Israelis are Jews....in case you forgot.

As a grandchild of a Holocaust survivor, I cannot believe what the Israelis have done and are doing to the Palestinians (I won't be so arrogant as to speak for my grandfather, but if our past conversations still hold true, he is just as against it as I am). If anyone would understand the horrors of genocide, we should. The Israelis are doing, almost identically, what was done to us. That is the truly horrific part.

Nevermind that nationalism isn't a concept to be found in Judaism. We hold no loyalty to any nation; loyalty is only to G-d.

There is also Arab Israelis.Not many but enough to get some Kanesset seats.

The Israeli government is quite secular.More so than we are.

And again,I don`t believe that Jews per se or the Jewish faith has any bearing on what the government is doing lately.

I`m praying they don`t start building on disputed land again.

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RE: Comparing Islam, Judaism and Christianity - 9/7/2010 8:16:15 PM

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The Israeli government is quite secular

Yet they have the star of David on their flag and will not allow anyone to own private property for fear that it will be distributed out of Jewish hands...

Being Jewish is a religious designation and a ethnic one. If you are a Jew by blood on your maternal side you get citizenship, the process towards citizenship is much harder without that.

My issue with the description of Israel being more secular and more democratic than we are is that we have a tradition in this country of giving people more rights as time goes on. We pride ourselves on being a classless society where people are judged by their actions and not their familial connections. In Israel, being born Palestinian precludes being free. It means lack of being able to move around freely or hold jobs freely. It means being marginalized by the facts of your familial connection, it means collective punishment if someone in your family has done something wrong...

How anyone could consider this democratic is beyond me

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RE: Comparing Islam, Judaism and Christianity - 9/7/2010 9:03:55 PM

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RE: Comparing Islam, Judaism and Christianity - 9/7/2010 9:15:17 PM

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2. As julia stated, Jews do not consider Jesus to be a false prophet, but instead a learned man with some interesting thoughts. We do not consider him to be divine, but have never called him false.

Did them Jews ever consider that they might be mistaken?

By definition, no. They would then be Christians.

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4. The Messiah info is Jesus-oriented, and omits that Jews believe that there will be a Messiah come to Earth, and he has not yet come. Christians believe that it will be Jesus, and that it will be the Second Coming.

Why do them Abrahamic Jews believe that? How will they recognize him or perhaps her? By her vagina, or by the wart on his left nostril? Tell me; I wanna know. How do they know that he did not come already, in the distant past, Jesus himself, Mohammed? Can it be that them Abrahamic Jews missed the boat at least two (Jesus & Mohammed), possibly three or more times already?

As far as I know. nobody claims that both Jesus AND Mohammed are the Messiah.

I do not know how the Messiah will be recognized. Some things rest upon faith.

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Why are them Abrahamic Jews so very much afraid of death and disease? Are they cowards? Do they lack faith?

Huh? Judaism IS a faith!

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RE: Comparing Islam, Judaism and Christianity - 9/7/2010 9:58:32 PM

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Thank you for replying, DS.

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Did them Jews ever consider that they might be mistaken?

By definition, no. They would then be Christians.

Thus they suffer from conceit and hubris. Not so? What would their former latter pagan God say about that? I rather think that he would be disappointed.

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As far as I know. nobody claims that both Jesus AND Mohammed are the Messiah.

Well, in fact said Messiah died ages before Jesus was born - yep, the Abrahamic Jews missed that boat - but never mind for that does not matter. In a very metaphorical sense anyone who improves upon the human condition is the Messiah - and Jesus and Mohammed both qualify.

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I do not know how the Messiah will be recognized. Some things rest upon faith.

If nobody knows, then he will never be recognized. That does not have anything to do with faith. If nobody knows what an elephant looks like, they might be flattened ten times over by a stampeding herd of elephants without ever realizing that them large beasts with trunks were the elephants they were expecting; they would probably call them elephants a plague from God.

I hope everybody comprehends what I am saying here. If not, I might as well speak in Dutch.

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Why are them Abrahamic Jews so very much afraid of death and disease? Are they cowards? Do they lack faith?

Huh? Judaism IS a faith!

It is a static and rigid and dead religion parroting a set of antiquated rules. That is not the same as having trust in the Divine. Them Abrahamic Jews ought to throw away their crutch and learn to stand on their own two legs and live. What they lack can be found at the crossroads.

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RE: Comparing Islam, Judaism and Christianity - 9/8/2010 12:38:50 AM

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I don`t think what the Israeli gov. is doing lately has anything to do with the Jewish faith.

I heard an interesting quotation from an israeli diplomat stating that his country's biggest achievement recently was confusing Americans as to the difference between antisemitism and antizionism...

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RE: Comparing Islam, Judaism and Christianity - 9/8/2010 7:32:22 AM

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I don`t think what the Israeli gov. is doing lately has anything to do with the Jewish faith.

I heard an interesting quotation from an israeli diplomat stating that his country's biggest achievement recently was confusing Americans as to the difference between antisemitism and antizionism...

I wish you would find that quote

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RE: Comparing Islam, Judaism and Christianity - 9/8/2010 9:59:03 AM

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I found this very interesting:
http://www.religionfacts.com/islam/comparison_charts/islam_judaism_christianity.htm

Judaism, Islam and Christianity are collectively known as "Abrahamic religions" because they trace their history to the covenant God made with Abraham in the Hebrew Bible.

Rather like comparing the droppings of a male, Guernsey, Heifer, and Angus if you ask me.

Scatologically,
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RE: Comparing Islam, Judaism and Christianity - 9/8/2010 10:18:36 AM

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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

I found this very interesting:
http://www.religionfacts.com/islam/comparison_charts/islam_judaism_christianity.htm

Judaism, Islam and Christianity are collectively known as "Abrahamic religions" because they trace their history to the covenant God made with Abraham in the Hebrew Bible.

Rather like comparing the droppings of a male, Guernsey, Heifer, and Angus if you ask me.

Scatologically,
Some Knucklehead in NJ

Now, I know you think you were flamed for posting a contradictory opinion to my own... but just for future reference... your post as the earmarks of flamebait. It is insulting, derogatory, and has no purpose other than to incite people to flame you back...

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