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cuckoldmepls -> Obama Bans More than 100,000 American-Made Rifles (9/8/2010 8:03:53 AM)

The Obama administration has blocked efforts by the South Korean government to sell over a  hundred thousand surplus M1 Garand and Carbine rifles into the United States market. These self-loading were rifles introduced in 1926 and 1941.

http://www.infowars.com/obama-bans-more-than-100000-american-made-rifles/

These are semi automatic weapons people, which we can already buy here in the United States. There's no reason to deny these sales of historical weapons. You were waiting for evidence that Obama is anti Gun, well here it is.

http://babelishere.webs.com/guncontrol.html



Hillwilliam -> RE: Obama Bans More than 100,000 American-Made Rifles (9/8/2010 8:06:42 AM)

Wouldn't mind having an old Garand for deer hunting.  Nice accuracy with open sights. 



domiguy -> RE: Obama Bans More than 100,000 American-Made Rifles (9/8/2010 8:25:39 AM)

You are such an anti-American piece of crap.

You want us to allow South Korea to sell American made weapons in the U.S.? How many Americanbs might lose their job because of these weapons being sold.

You want to be an American than buy American. Thank God we have a President that understands our economy needs to have manufacturers actually manufacturing something.

That Communists piece of shit, cuckoldmeick, wants you to prop up the Korean economy and military by purchasing these guns.

Hippie, commie, faggot.



Jeffff -> RE: Obama Bans More than 100,000 American-Made Rifles (9/8/2010 8:30:57 AM)

The last time I picked up a "Shotgun News" there were 100's of old M1's for sale.



juliaoceania -> RE: Obama Bans More than 100,000 American-Made Rifles (9/8/2010 8:50:35 AM)

quote:

These are semi automatic weapons people, which we can already buy here in the United States. There's no reason to deny these sales of historical weapons. You were waiting for evidence that Obama is anti Gun, well here it is.


Thanks for pushing the sell of these weapons, comrade, it will help with the collectivized farm project we want to implement



cuckoldmepls -> RE: Obama Bans More than 100,000 American-Made Rifles (9/8/2010 8:50:39 AM)

Guess what, these are guns are not manufactured any more, so it's not like it's going to run any one out of business. I'm not even sure we have any American manufacturers any more.

By the way, Im' sure these antiques have been for sale in gun magazines, but i'm also sure they wanted a pretty penny for them. If you unload a million antiques on the market, that drives down the cost and makes it affordable for the average Joe.

Just a little lesson in free market economics for you.



Jeffff -> RE: Obama Bans More than 100,000 American-Made Rifles (9/8/2010 8:55:46 AM)

You may be " sure" but like most of your posts, you are wrong.



mnottertail -> RE: Obama Bans More than 100,000 American-Made Rifles (9/8/2010 8:57:18 AM)

Well, heres the real news.  My guns in the first place.  Business owners have guns that they have bought in and around 5 or 6 hundred dollars, and you want to dump them at 140 bucks a pop, guy is upside down in them (just like his house) with the money going to the Koreans, for our bought and paid for goods.

Yup, free market neo-con style. Bankrupt the american small business man and at the same time see the money goes overseas.  I'm liking it, sounds like a real conservative mentality at work. 



Jeffff -> RE: Obama Bans More than 100,000 American-Made Rifles (9/8/2010 8:58:36 AM)

Why do you hate the free market?

The market is rational, you are not!



rulemylife -> RE: Obama Bans More than 100,000 American-Made Rifles (9/8/2010 9:04:54 AM)

I tell you what, come back and talk to me when you have something more credible than an Alex Jones website.



joether -> RE: Obama Bans More than 100,000 American-Made Rifles (9/8/2010 9:25:26 AM)

Buying an M1 is pretty easy, just go to any of a dozen gunshows held each month in the states. Some collectors will even sell them, and not even check your background.

Mr. Obama was correct is blocking those rifles. They could be sold for much less, and would cost American jobs. And yes, there are a few gun manufacturers in the states still. Who do you think the NRA really represents?



stef -> RE: Obama Bans More than 100,000 American-Made Rifles (9/8/2010 9:58:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

The Obama administration has blocked efforts by the South Korean government to sell over a  hundred thousand surplus M1 Garand and Carbine rifles into the United States market. These self-loading were rifles introduced in 1926 and 1941.

http://www.infowars.com/obama-bans-more-than-100000-american-made-rifles/

These are semi automatic weapons people, which we can already buy here in the United States. There's no reason to deny these sales of historical weapons. You were waiting for evidence that Obama is anti Gun, well here it is.

Another genius relying on Alex Jones for their "news"?  I suppose that's about the best we can expect from the cucktard.

The importation of these South Korean Garands has been a topic of great discussion on the CMP and other firearm related forums.  These are rifles that were rode hard and put away wet, literally.  S. Korean Garands that have been imported recently in smaller lots have been absolute crap.  The bores are so corroded that many will not even chamber a cartridge.  The ones in any measure of salable condition would have a hard time even qualifying as rack grade.  They're junk.

That being said, the reason they aren't coming into the country is a little more complicated than "Obama hatex gunz!".  The firearms were part of a MAP grant to the S. Koreans, and there are specific terms that come into play when the grantee no longer has a use for the grant materials.  The S. Korean government can sell the rifles and give the money, less packing costs, directly to the US government or they can return the rifles to the US government and bill for the packing costs incurred.  Since the S. Koreans know the Garands have a considerably higher value on the commercial market, they tried to pull a fast one and attempted to get them into the US via an importer.  This is not the first time someone has tried this.

Now, anyone who wants to obtain one of these historical weapons can certainly do so through the CMP.  While this lot from S. Korea will likely never see US soil, they are constantly getting Garands from other sources (despite Obama's "anti-gun" labeling) and adding them to inventory.

www.odcmp.org

~stef



mnottertail -> RE: Obama Bans More than 100,000 American-Made Rifles (9/8/2010 11:21:10 AM)

The neo-cons are trying to take your brains away!!!!!



PapaBlue -> RE: Obama Bans More than 100,000 American-Made Rifles (9/8/2010 11:29:08 AM)

Thanks stef,  in a thread destined for craziness that was both sane and informative.  Who knows what else the day holds?  [:D]



Hillwilliam -> RE: Obama Bans More than 100,000 American-Made Rifles (9/8/2010 11:43:23 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

The neo-cons are trying to take your brains away!!!!!


Ignorance loves company?



Vendaval -> RE: Obama Bans More than 100,000 American-Made Rifles (9/8/2010 3:38:53 PM)

Thanks for the information, stef.



thornhappy -> RE: Obama Bans More than 100,000 American-Made Rifles (9/8/2010 6:38:44 PM)

Stef, you mentioned that these guns may not be "rack grade".  What are the different grades for antique guns?  I'm thinking rack grade is only for looking at.



popeye1250 -> RE: Obama Bans More than 100,000 American-Made Rifles (9/8/2010 6:45:16 PM)

There was a bunch of them floating around in the early/mid 90's and you could have bought one for $150 then but they were JUNK!



stef -> RE: Obama Bans More than 100,000 American-Made Rifles (9/8/2010 9:48:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thornhappy

Stef, you mentioned that these guns may not be "rack grade".  What are the different grades for antique guns?  I'm thinking rack grade is only for looking at.

No, you can definitely shoot a rack grade Garand.  It's going to have parts that are worn out of spec, possibly a shot-out barrel and likely the throat and muzzle will be worn to the point of providing less than wonderful accuracy, but it'll shoot. 

At the bottom of this page is the CMP's grading scale.  The people who buy from the CMP generally want higher than rack grade so they'll use rack grade rifles for parts to build better quality rifles. 

~stef



Aneirin -> RE: Obama Bans More than 100,000 American-Made Rifles (9/9/2010 3:51:07 AM)

Obama has denied the cheap arming of American citizens, must be scared of something, guns in the hands of the poor unemployed people perhaps. Now whether those guns are firing capable is one thing but the fact that if someone appears to be holding what looks like a capable gun, then visually they present a threat and a visual threat of force can win arguments without even a shot being fired.

But in an economy where people are told to start buying to supposedly enable the economic recovery what sense does it make to deny a product that may be wanted and is cheap. Also what about industry if the product being offered for sale is in need of restoration, what industries would benefit from an increase in trade, be they corporate or even a back street mechanic, the latter being preferable down to poverty economics and the availability of payment of the customer who buys a pre owned products.



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