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laurell3 -> RE: Having the right vs being in the right (Rant) (9/9/2010 12:34:45 PM)

Damn it I just gave all my paisley away to the salvation army and now you're going to start a trend again?!




VaguelyCurious -> RE: Having the right vs being in the right (Rant) (9/9/2010 12:34:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

No one may respond to this post unless they are wearing a green paisley shirt. If they do I will throw myself down and have a hissy fit.

What happens if I refuse to divulge what I'm wearing? Huh? HUH?! [8D][8D]




Missokyst -> RE: Having the right vs being in the right (Rant) (9/9/2010 12:43:42 PM)

[sm=hissyfit.gif]




Twoshoes -> RE: Having the right vs being in the right (Rant) (9/9/2010 12:49:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: laurell3
Damn it I just gave all my paisley away to the salvation army and now you're going to start a trend again?!


When and where was paisley ever a trend? I had to google it...

quote:

ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious
What happens if I refuse to divulge what I'm wearing? Huh? HUH?! [8D][8D]

We'll just have to guess.


P.S. Ugh, I can't respond to Missokyst; I'm too polite and I have no such shirt.




LaTigresse -> RE: Having the right vs being in the right (Rant) (9/9/2010 1:02:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MastrVran

There is nothing wrong with posting in other Venues threads. Nothing even WRONG with posting if someone asks you not to. I am talking about simple politeness as a trait we once had. Has the internet destroyed it? Are we unwilling to extend politeness online? And if so does this in some way lessen us? Perhaps it is just an extension of our lives offline? Are we losing the desire to be polite everywhere and this is but a symptom?

MV


Define a general, all inclusive, version of  'politeness'.

Because in some places, the very premise of your OP, and following posts, are quite impolite. As well as passive aggressive and whiny.

I am not gorean, obviously. However, as I understand it, most that do identify with that premise do not care whether or not the general public believes they are polite......or about much of any point of view that does not have importance to them and their chosen life path.

Soooooo, given that.......why would anyone care whether or not you thought they were being polite? And why would you presume to dictate your version on others?




Wolf2Bear -> RE: Having the right vs being in the right (Rant) (9/9/2010 1:13:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MastrVran

With that said, I am noticing a trend where someone says I want a specific perspective from just one type of personality. A Master, a slave, a Mistress or whatever followed by a slew of people, who are not the type requested, who just HAVE to post their own answer. You know what? They have the right.



Yes wanting a specific POV from a select group is helpful, yet it still  is restrictive and biased to the target group being asked. Wouldn't it be much better to get all POVs to gain a better sense of accuracy and a more rounded idea?

I identify as a switch, so if someone wants a POV from a dominant angle then I am excluded because I can relate from that mindset; or if someone asks a POV from a submissive POV and I am able to offer my thoughts from my experiences subbing thus I should be excluded again?  Somehow that doesn't jive with me.




mstrjx -> RE: Having the right vs being in the right (Rant) (9/9/2010 1:55:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Twoshoes

When and where was paisley ever a trend? I had to google it...


Yes, now I'm truly convinced you must be 14.

Could someone please inform a moderator?

Jeff




VaguelyCurious -> RE: Having the right vs being in the right (Rant) (9/9/2010 2:01:41 PM)

To be fair, I'm not completely sure what paisley *is*-and I'm not fourteen.

I know it's a pattern but I couldn't tell you what it looked like.




Twoshoes -> RE: Having the right vs being in the right (Rant) (9/9/2010 2:24:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mstrjx
quote:

ORIGINAL: Twoshoes
When and where was paisley ever a trend? I had to google it...

Yes, now I'm truly convinced you must be 14.
Could someone please inform a moderator?

Jeff

After I googled it, I realized my grandmother has such patterned dresses and hats, along with an assortment of red/black/white stillettos.

However, she's not a trend follower.
I'd joke about your age, Jeff, but that would be distasteful! [:D]

I'd gladly be 14 again - causing trouble was considered *cute* back then... [;)]
Breaking into yards, buildings, shooting things at people's windows... I only got threatened with a shotgun one time.

Off to reminisce.




LaTigresse -> RE: Having the right vs being in the right (Rant) (9/9/2010 2:24:15 PM)

It always makes me think of fish...




peacefulplace -> RE: Having the right vs being in the right (Rant) (9/9/2010 2:43:58 PM)

Everyone's heard of the First Amendment, right? Beyond that, unless someone is owned, what restrictions should be put on that person about posting anything?




VaguelyCurious -> RE: Having the right vs being in the right (Rant) (9/9/2010 2:47:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Twoshoes

considered *cute*

Take it from me-that's no great thing as an adult...




stef -> RE: Having the right vs being in the right (Rant) (9/9/2010 2:51:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: peacefulplace

Everyone's heard of the First Amendment, right? Beyond that, unless someone is owned, what restrictions should be put on that person about posting anything?

The First Amendment has absolutely nothing to do with posting on a privately owned website.

~stef




littlewonder -> RE: Having the right vs being in the right (Rant) (9/9/2010 4:08:46 PM)

yeahhhhh...this idea of respecing everyone's wishes be it real life or here....yup, I don't follow that rule...never have. Probably never will.

Not all personal wishes are gonna happen and not all SHOULD be thus I just find some people's wishes to be laughable at best.

If your'e gonna post on a public forum expect anyone and everyone to post. If you can't handle that and if you can't just ignore the ones you don't want to read then maybe you should crawl back into your little private fantasyland.




Twoshoes -> RE: Having the right vs being in the right (Rant) (9/9/2010 4:14:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

quote:

ORIGINAL: Twoshoes

considered *cute*

Take it from me-that's no great thing as an adult...



Well, definately not as useful...

I've been told I look younger than I am too.
I hope/assume that's a good thing.




MastrVran -> RE: Having the right vs being in the right (Rant) (9/9/2010 4:22:28 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

quote:

ORIGINAL: MastrVran

First off I am suggesting that Politeness is something that once was normal. Now its at the best the exception. I do like how you make me rude to Mods by suggestion someone start a thread where all are welcome to reply. Also I never suggested going into other forums. Now if it is too much trouble for you to read two seperate threads, then perhaps to you that is rude? I can accept you feel that way. I see it as both parties being polite. The poster gets their wish and you get your replies. Seems fair.

I'm not making 'you' rude to the mods, I'm stating that your suggestion would involve a breach of etiquette, which would be rude. Starting a duplicate thread is rude. You might not like that, but it's the truth-you are forcing the Mods to watch two threads instead of one, you are forcing users to check back and forth between two threads, and you are forcing a different topic of the front page of the forum by taking up the space.

Thinking about it, starting a thread demanding only one point of view in response also seems rude. Would you walk up to a group of people in public and demand that only the men in that group interact with you, for instance? Of course you wouldn't-that would be terribly disrespectful.

So why is it ok on a forum? You talk about the decline of manners-I think posters demanding that a section of the forums not respond to them is just as much a part of that as anything else.



Every time someone starts a thread they are "forcing" the Mods to watch the thread. And I can understand you feeling like being asked to withhold comment is in some way rude. But when you want to try and understand why a Master does something. You ask a Master. A slave or sub might think they know, they might even be right, but you dont ask a Lawyer how to fix your plumbing. You call a Plumber. But of course this is not the point really. The point was simply that having a right to reply as you will does not make replying the right answer. You feel they have no right to even ask this. If that is your belief fine. I made my point, you disagree.

MV




Wolf2Bear -> RE: Having the right vs being in the right (Rant) (9/9/2010 4:27:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MastrVran


Every time someone starts a thread they are "forcing" the Mods to watch the thread. And I can understand you feeling like being asked to withhold comment is in some way rude. But when you want to try and understand why a Master does something. You ask a Master. A slave or sub might think they know, they might even be right, but you dont ask a Lawyer how to fix your plumbing. You call a Plumber. But of course this is not the point really. The point was simply that having a right to reply as you will does not make replying the right answer. You feel they have no right to even ask this. If that is your belief fine. I made my point, you disagree.

MV


Then what about all of us who operate from both sides? Don't you believe that we are able to offer anything from either a dominant or submissive point of view?




MastrVran -> RE: Having the right vs being in the right (Rant) (9/9/2010 4:30:22 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

quote:

ORIGINAL: MastrVran

There is nothing wrong with posting in other Venues threads. Nothing even WRONG with posting if someone asks you not to. I am talking about simple politeness as a trait we once had. Has the internet destroyed it? Are we unwilling to extend politeness online? And if so does this in some way lessen us? Perhaps it is just an extension of our lives offline? Are we losing the desire to be polite everywhere and this is but a symptom?

MV


Define a general, all inclusive, version of  'politeness'.

Because in some places, the very premise of your OP, and following posts, are quite impolite. As well as passive aggressive and whiny.

I am not gorean, obviously. However, as I understand it, most that do identify with that premise do not care whether or not the general public believes they are polite......or about much of any point of view that does not have importance to them and their chosen life path.

Soooooo, given that.......why would anyone care whether or not you thought they were being polite? And why would you presume to dictate your version on others?



I have not dictated. I simply made a statement about old fashioned politeness. If you wish to say I am forcing you to accept this in some way, oh well. And as far as I know, I did not bring anything Gorean into this. So it of course has no bearing other than whatever you wish to conclude it might. Should I look at your profile lol and pick something at random and say that was why you said what you did?

MV




VaguelyCurious -> RE: Having the right vs being in the right (Rant) (9/9/2010 4:42:56 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MastrVran

Every time someone starts a thread they are "forcing" the Mods to watch the thread.

Yes, and starting two identical threads is creating unnecessary extra work for them with no additional benefit, which is rude.

quote:

And I can understand you feeling like being asked to withhold comment is in some way rude. But when you want to try and understand why a Master does something. You ask a Master. A slave or sub might think they know, they might even be right, but you dont ask a Lawyer how to fix your plumbing. You call a Plumber. But of course this is not the point really.

In which case you should go to a forum of plumbers, not a mixed forum where many of the people involved have experience of plumbing, whether or not they be professionals.

The accepted convention of this forum is that everyone posts everywhere. If you only want answers from some posters then this forum is not the appropriate venue to ask your question. There may be groups on Fetlife that specify who can and cannot answer-that would be an appropriate place to ask a question only to masters/plumbers/whatever metaphor you want to use. CM is not that venue.

quote:

The point was simply that having a right to reply as you will does not make replying the right answer.

No-having useful and informative content that might benefit readers including (but not exclusively) the OP makes replying the right answer-and that has no correlation with your D/s status or your gender. You seem to have difficulty grasping that.




MastrVran -> RE: Having the right vs being in the right (Rant) (9/9/2010 4:51:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

OP, if you want people to respect your wishes, then you have to be worthy of that respect.
Moreover no one ever learns anything new by restricting information, learning, communication, et al.

You learn when you get confronted with things you don't want to hear and hear them with courage and an open mind. Someone like that will earn others' respect and will give it in turn.

Unfortunately, experience has proven that when someone says they only want to hear from a narrow segment of people, what they mean is that they believe this narrow group will agree with them and tell them what they want to hear. As we know, what people want to hear is rarely the truth.

I feel no necessity to pander to a closed mind. YMMV



Possibly Celeste43

I know some mean it the way you take it. Others are looking for a specific mental approach to an issue to better understand that type of mind and how it works.

MV




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