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pahunkboy -> RE: COPS IN N CAROLINA DEMAND NAMES OF ALL CITIZENS ON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS... (9/9/2010 11:29:09 AM)
the day you get longterm pain, (and you will) all that "addiction" crap goes out the window. Try a spinal cord injury in 3 places. 24-7 of PAIN. anyone here can have that happen. Only then- can one comprehend the gravity of what the body is- and its limitations.

Lockit -> RE: COPS IN N CAROLINA DEMAND NAMES OF ALL CITIZENS ON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS... (9/9/2010 11:37:53 AM)
Hello sothernnyte, good to see you. The faults of a group of people, weak and addictive should not dictate the response to those who are not at fault and in fact get caught in the middle. This is no way to address the addictive nature or problems socially because of addicts or doctors who will proscribe medication to a true addict because it pays them to do so. It isn't good medicine or policing to allow another group of people, not addicts, to be harmed because of addicts. I still want my medication and can flippantly say some things in my pain and frustration, but the bottom line is... doctor and police in a fitting manner rather than a reactionary one. Lives are at stake and sometimes not the lives of those choosing to throw their lives away.

pahunkboy -> RE: COPS IN N CAROLINA DEMAND NAMES OF ALL CITIZENS ON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS... (9/9/2010 11:45:26 AM)
IMO- people who set policy re pain meds- should be long term chronic pain sufferers. Not pundits. People THINK they know what chronic pain is... and they do not. Not until they lived it 24-7. The pain from a scrape/bruise is NOT the same thing as chronic pain- long term.

sothernnyte -> RE: COPS IN N CAROLINA DEMAND NAMES OF ALL CITIZENS ON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS... (9/9/2010 11:54:17 AM)
i do have 24/7 pain, i have scoliosis of my thoracic spine and 2 slipped disc in the lumbar area. i refuse at this young age to take anything more than anti-infammmatories... mainly because i have seen how it causes a person to react. secondly, one of the individuals that was addicted, had her back broken in 2 places...had them fused....yeah..24/7 pain... she is now clean from all perscription pain pills. most doctors first reponse is to give a pill. instead of taking the time to find other alternatives. oh and hello MsLockit. a pleasure to see You again Maam. it has been a long time. i hope You are doing well.[:)]

Lockit -> RE: COPS IN N CAROLINA DEMAND NAMES OF ALL CITIZENS ON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS... (9/9/2010 12:23:04 PM)
Anti inflammatories are very dangerous! They thin the blood and they can ruin the stomach or digestive system. I am not supposed to take them at all! That was the first sign to the doctors that labeled me a drug addict. They felt I was narrowing the medications down to get my drug of choice. They didn't ask questions or read my records. They didn't see that the doctors of my past did try other things and I had been put through hell with those other things. They didn't see that year after year I suffered because I was neglected and now unable to work and afford to pay cash for doctors and no insurance company would touch me. I worked out four hours a day at one point. I led a very active life and to take medication was something I just wouldn't do. I could tough it out or find another way. Until I couldn't anymore. Finally I had proven myself and was getting some relief after surgery to take out five disk. Even after the surgery I went without medication and when given medication I only took what I needed and didn't get all they prescribed. Moved to a new place and bam, I am back where I started only in more pain. Only this time they wouldn't help, broke the law in not helping and red flagged me with the local clinics I could go to for the poor. Each one I called said... good luck with that, see ya. I finally broke. I couldn't bear the need I had providing someone a reason to neglect and abuse me. I had had enough and was willing to put my life at risk and take the over the counter medications that would thin my blood and very likely cause me to bleed out because of the rare genetic illness, not taught in American medical institutions, that they googled and thought they had all the answers to. Each time I had to take an nsaid, I said, this could be the time it makes me bleed. Each time I knew I took my life in my own hands and yet, it was easier to die than to face another time of being treated like an addict. Too many years, too many abuses and awful things said and done to me with a huge impact upon my life. Lockit finally gave up. Somehow I balanced things so that what blood thinning I might have gotten was counter balanced by other things. Now, I am paying for giving up. The pain of the stress caused my blood pressure to rise. The stress of not being able to do what I normally do caused a number of things, including my thyroid to go off, blood pressure to be unstable, inability to function or move to keep my cardio health in tact and I have gained weight. Lockit is fighting back now because the giving up has to stop. I have to face them somehow and win to save my own life rather than give up. I have much to fight for. I have had a rest from the abuse and neglect and I simply cannot go on like this. How I will afford to fight back is the problem. How to break through and get them to do something is the problem. How can I get them to listen and read and help, when they read what I am allergic to, what I cannot take and label me and don't want to waste time on me? If I could pay a doctor, I know I could find help, but in clinic's for the poor, that deal with a lot of drug addicts and don't have a lot of time... well, it doesn't look good. That is why I gave up in the first place. Tired of fighting it all and fighting back makes me ill and gives me nightmares... because most a lifetime of fighting the medical community has me pretty broken inside. This is what addicts did to me and people like me. This is what the medical community has done to people like me with strange and rare illnesses and in response to addicts and a failure within their system to actually seek the truth in a patient and take the time to do so. I am not a failure because I need medication and I won't be an addict even after seven years of relief seeking and getting help. Yet, how do I prove that if they won't investigate or I can't afford the fight? Now besides the back and fibro pain, I have a serious digestive problem because of nsaids. I did it to myself, but then I didn't have much choice did I? Seven years of pain medication and I was functioning and stable medically... less than two years with nsaids and I am a friggin mess. Which is better? A narcotic with responsible use or nsaids that anyone can abuse themselves with?

Moonhead -> RE: COPS IN N CAROLINA DEMAND NAMES OF ALL CITIZENS ON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS... (9/9/2010 2:27:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy IMO- people who set policy re pain meds- should be long term chronic pain sufferers. Not pundits. Rush Limbaugh's a pill freak with a Jones for prescription painkillers, even if he doesn't actually need them. Surely he's one pundit who is entitled to an opinion on this one?

camille65 -> RE: COPS IN N CAROLINA DEMAND NAMES OF ALL CITIZENS ON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS... (9/9/2010 3:15:02 PM)
Hullo my fellow pain peeps, I realize I'm hijacking (and I don't really care!) but wanted to mention the medication I've taken for nearly a year now with remarkable results. Suboxone. It is used in the US primarily for heroin addicts but has been used for decades elsewhere as a pain control medication. There is no drug fog, there is no high. What there is, is cessation from much of the pain along with a truly awful taste (sublingual medication) and a high cost. Please ask your doctor, if they are reluctant keep asking. Many are still unaware of the off label use, using it as pain management. But honestly it works. I've tried everything, Fentynal, Morphine, Oxycontin, Soma, Percocet, Darvocet etc. This trumps them all for pain relief with little to no side effects. I've gone from life at 80% pain all the time, to 80% pain only very rarely and never without cause. Such as this horrific weather front lol. :) Sorry PaHunks for hijacking!

Moonhead -> RE: COPS IN N CAROLINA DEMAND NAMES OF ALL CITIZENS ON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS... (9/9/2010 3:22:43 PM)
Sounds a useful drug. isn't the high cost going to put most GPs in the 'States off prescribing it, though?

camille65 -> RE: COPS IN N CAROLINA DEMAND NAMES OF ALL CITIZENS ON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS... (9/9/2010 3:27:48 PM)
I pay 411.00 a month for it, but I don't have health insurance. Since it is an off label use I'm not even sure if insurance would be of any help though. Previously I paid nearly 1000 a month for ALL my medications, now I am only using the Suboxone. So it is a savings and a blessing all in one. I'm fairly sure that only a pain management doctor can prescribe it, some are reluctant because they erroneously believe it is one of those drugs they can only write limited RXs for. However when used for pain management that is not the case, only when used for opiate addiction. When I transitioned off the morphine I did not expect withdrawl symptoms, I really did not. I did not abuse the drug nor get any fun buzz from it so assumed it would be easy peasy. Ohman. Wrongo lol. It was awful. Until I began the Suboxone which actually blocked the withdrawl symptoms altogther (hence its use for addiction). For anyone living in chronic pain it is worth asking about. It has made a huge difference in my life and I wish that more people had access and information about it.

Moonhead -> RE: COPS IN N CAROLINA DEMAND NAMES OF ALL CITIZENS ON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS... (9/9/2010 3:36:46 PM)
That explains a lot. I'd hope that it isn't used much in the 'States for the reasons you suggest, rather than it just being down to the cost. That could explain it being used more for pain relief elsewhere, where there's socialised, or at least subsidised medicine. Which is quite a depressing thought.

camille65 -> RE: COPS IN N CAROLINA DEMAND NAMES OF ALL CITIZENS ON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS... (9/9/2010 3:41:27 PM)
Ha every single facet relating to health care in this country is a depressing thought to me! I will remain optimistic however and continue to believe that we are on the verge of postive change. Even if the police in NC are pouring through medical records [&:] in search of RX abusers. Yes that disturbs me, it is bad enough having medical doctors give me that flash of look implying I'm a drug seeker (which makes me want to say 'heya my drug of choice is weed and I sure can't get that from you so rest easy please and thanks') without worrying about officials beating down my door wanting to do a pill count.

Moonhead -> RE: COPS IN N CAROLINA DEMAND NAMES OF ALL CITIZENS ON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS... (9/9/2010 3:54:52 PM)
Dope would be a bloody useful medical drug, if they'd decriminalise it for anybody other than people with inoperable cancers. It's a hell of a lot more effective as an anti inflammatory than any of the stuff Lockit's had problems with, for a start. There isn't anything else in existence that's half as good for arthritis, to pick the most obvious example.

camille65 -> RE: COPS IN N CAROLINA DEMAND NAMES OF ALL CITIZENS ON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS... (9/9/2010 4:05:27 PM)
Pot helps cure my insomnia and inflammation, yet in order to take Suboxone I must submit to random drug testing. It seems insane to me, combining the two would go a long way to getting me mobile again yet they have a different priority. Like Lockit I've got Fibro along with Lupus and a few other things going on. It is frustrating, so frustrating and discouraging. But giving up simply is not an option for me, strangely giving up seems much harder than plodding on each day. I don't know why that is but I am glad it is that way. Heh I think my Owner would be displeased in the extreme if I gave up! :)

ShaharThorne -> RE: COPS IN N CAROLINA DEMAND NAMES OF ALL CITIZENS ON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS... (9/9/2010 4:09:06 PM)
I suffer from Fibromyalgia for years and I take Advil or my mother's T4 for pain, especially in the hip and lower back. The only relief I get is sitting down. I should be working but I am disabled because of a mood disorder. I can handle the pain somewhat, but at times I can barely get out of bed like this morning. One of these days, when I am in Austin, we shall meet. I will be on the wearing a tunic or kunta...LOL! (All invites is good nature and hopes to be available when I am in Austin.)

JstAnotherSub -> RE: COPS IN N CAROLINA DEMAND NAMES OF ALL CITIZENS ON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS... (9/9/2010 4:12:52 PM)
If they take my damn happy pills, I will....I will......Well, I will not be happy dammit!

camille65 -> RE: COPS IN N CAROLINA DEMAND NAMES OF ALL CITIZENS ON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS... (9/9/2010 4:52:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ShaharThorne I suffer from Fibromyalgia for years and I take Advil or my mother's T4 for pain, especially in the hip and lower back. The only relief I get is sitting down. I should be working but I am disabled because of a mood disorder. I can handle the pain somewhat, but at times I can barely get out of bed like this morning. One of these days, when I am in Austin, we shall meet. I will be on the wearing a tunic or kunta...LOL! (All invites is good nature and hopes to be available when I am in Austin.) That would be fun! I'm unfortunately a wee bit isolated living here, it is super hard to make friends when I don't work or do much. Every once in a while I think about finding the local scene, but.. I'm shy and don't like to drive at night. Plus my Owner lives way down in Swampland erm I mean Houston.

laurell3 -> RE: COPS IN N CAROLINA DEMAND NAMES OF ALL CITIZENS ON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS... (9/9/2010 5:37:30 PM)
I hate to break it to you PA, but the state police have had the right to access to prescriptions for controlled substances as defined by state and federal law for decades and routinely use that information to crack down on doctor shoppers. This isn't news.

thornhappy -> RE: COPS IN N CAROLINA DEMAND NAMES OF ALL CITIZENS ON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS... (9/9/2010 5:59:48 PM)
I noted one of the reasons was death due to overdose. This is the same hysteria that broke out over "hillbilly heroin" in Kentucky and West Virginia. What wasn't widely reported is that these overdose deaths were largely due to people combining opioids with alcohol, Valium, ambien, weed, etc.

pahunkboy -> RE: COPS IN N CAROLINA DEMAND NAMES OF ALL CITIZENS ON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS... (9/9/2010 6:07:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sothernnyte i do have 24/7 pain, i have scoliosis of my thoracic spine and 2 slipped disc in the lumbar area. i refuse at this young age to take anything more than anti-infammmatories... mainly because i have seen how it causes a person to react. secondly, one of the individuals that was addicted, had her back broken in 2 places...had them fused....yeah..24/7 pain... she is now clean from all perscription pain pills. most doctors first reponse is to give a pill. instead of taking the time to find other alternatives. oh and hello MsLockit. a pleasure to see You again Maam. it has been a long time. i hope You are doing well.[:)] Oh that is funny. You do not suffer chronic pain. Not even close. You are not qualified to deem- pain patients as druggies. It is not nice to joke around about this kind of thing. Because one day you might really have intrusive un-abated pain.

pahunkboy -> RE: COPS IN N CAROLINA DEMAND NAMES OF ALL CITIZENS ON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS... (9/9/2010 6:12:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: camille65 Hullo my fellow pain peeps, I realize I'm hijacking (and I don't really care!) but wanted to mention the medication I've taken for nearly a year now with remarkable results. Suboxone. It is used in the US primarily for heroin addicts but has been used for decades elsewhere as a pain control medication. There is no drug fog, there is no high. What there is, is cessation from much of the pain along with a truly awful taste (sublingual medication) and a high cost. Please ask your doctor, if they are reluctant keep asking. Many are still unaware of the off label use, using it as pain management. But honestly it works. I've tried everything, Fentynal, Morphine, Oxycontin, Soma, Percocet, Darvocet etc. This trumps them all for pain relief with little to no side effects. I've gone from life at 80% pain all the time, to 80% pain only very rarely and never without cause. Such as this horrific weather front lol. :) Sorry PaHunks for hijacking! I am leary of new formulas. With the old tried and true- we know what that is- we have a history of it. Ultram- was supposed to be good- but it is even more addicting. Netuntin, celebrex, bextra- they had problems with all of those.

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