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Fantasizing about others... - 9/11/2010 3:26:00 PM   
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This deals with mental health but it's still an issue I'd like to address. I like to fantasize when I'm taking care of business. Stimulation doesn't do anything for me. It's all in my mind. So I fantasize about others in certain situations of vulnerability. That's not the issue. The issue is that it's impossible for me to incorporate myself into my own fantasies. I am my own turn off. I'm worried that this means that no one will ever be able to make me orgasm ever. Since I'm not in my own fantasies, they can't be acted out.

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RE: Fantasizing about others... - 9/11/2010 3:54:47 PM   
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quote:

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This deals with mental health but it's still an issue I'd like to address. I like to fantasize when I'm taking care of business. Stimulation doesn't do anything for me. It's all in my mind. So I fantasize about others in certain situations of vulnerability. That's not the issue. The issue is that it's impossible for me to incorporate myself into my own fantasies. I am my own turn off. I'm worried that this means that no one will ever be able to make me orgasm ever. Since I'm not in my own fantasies, they can't be acted out.


Isn't part of the problem that you are so caught up in fantasies in general, that reality doesn't do it for you at all?

This has been a frequent theme to your postings overall, if you will, going back quite awhile.

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RE: Fantasizing about others... - 9/11/2010 4:05:52 PM   
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I guess. Though I don't know how to go about it. Sure, I could give up my fantasies but then I'm left with nothing. And fantasizing isn't really what I'm worried about. It's that I can't put myself in any of my fantasies. How can i expect to enjoy myself in real life? Most people just tell their significant other what they fantasize about and then act it out. I can't do that. What do I do?

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RE: Fantasizing about others... - 9/11/2010 4:22:23 PM   
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I do not think this is as uncommon as you may think it is. The thing you need to remember is to be honest with your partners about what causes your arousal. The right person will take the effort needed to find a way into your head and use your fantasies to help get you off. It might be by incorporating images, or scenarios into your sex life, or talking to you about what it is that turns you on.

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RE: Fantasizing about others... - 9/11/2010 4:22:25 PM   
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Well, since you asked... you love starting threads, saying things easily confused and inflammitory, calling attention to yourself until everyone is upset with you and then you go away for months until you need a new fix of attentions, good or bad. You can claim it is a fetish, fantasy or whatever you want type thing, but really, you may be hitting the mark now, with a mental health thing.

I'd suggest talking to a mental health professional.


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RE: Fantasizing about others... - 9/11/2010 4:33:47 PM   
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This is not a criticism, even in your profile it says: "Control isn't control if a sub has to give it to you."

I get that you want a strong man, and that you lose respect for men that you can play.
However the truth is that life is not like bodice-ripper romance novels, where dominant men up-end women
and spank them without an invitation to do so first, because if they did, they would be looking at assault charges from a majority of women.

There is a reason why people talk about consent and it is for the protection of both parties.

As for what to do: my opinion is that if you could fix it yourself you would have.

When you have health insurance (if you don't already) then I would recommend finding a kink friendly therapist who has training in human sexuality...and then working with them.

The issue is your brain is wired to respond in one way and you want to change that but can't do that on your own. So, find someone with the knowledge and tools to help you acheive that.


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RE: Fantasizing about others... - 9/11/2010 4:35:35 PM   
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quote:

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You can claim it is a fetish, fantasy or whatever you want type thing, but really, you may be hitting the mark now, with a mental health thing.

I'd suggest talking to a mental health professional.



People with Narcissitic Personality Disorder usually don't want help. They like themselves too much.

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RE: Fantasizing about others... - 9/11/2010 4:45:16 PM   
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quote:

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Well, since you asked... you love starting threads, saying things easily confused and inflammitory, calling attention to yourself until everyone is upset with you and then you go away for months until you need a new fix of attentions, good or bad. You can claim it is a fetish, fantasy or whatever you want type thing, but really, you may be hitting the mark now, with a mental health thing.

I'd suggest talking to a mental health professional.


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one is upset with you and then you go away for months until you need a new fix of attentions, good or bad. You can claim it is a fetish, fantasy or whatever you want type thing, but really, you may be hitting the mark now, with a mental health thing.


(sigh) please hush lock. Just hush. You are in no way productive. Every other poster, good or bad, always have something beneficial to offer. But not you. Let us both get rid of a soar in our asses once and for all and just leave each other alone. Can you do that?

Ty Angel. Btw, I got your message and shared it with my bf. I don't exactly know where to go from here because I'm not sure my situation is exactly the same.

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RE: Fantasizing about others... - 9/11/2010 4:58:02 PM   
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quote:

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Ty Angel. Btw, I got your message and shared it with my bf. I don't exactly know where to go from here because I'm not sure my situation is exactly the same.


Your situation is probably not exactly the same, which is why I offered the above advice, in addition to sending you the link. The link was more to show you the complexities of wiring, not how to fix your wiring... but also to show you that by engaging in the behavior you don't want, you are essentially rewarding it.

I am not advocating that you stop masturbation or using 3rd person fantasies as the method for release.

I was -- in my above post --saying you are wired to respond in one way and probably need help in learning how to respond differently.
It may also be to your advantage to work on your understanding of a healthy dominant/submission dynamic.
Non-consent is a common theme in your thought processes.

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RE: Fantasizing about others... - 9/11/2010 5:21:44 PM   
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I don't know anymore. I just want to be normal. I don't know how to change my wiring and I'm afraid that if I go to a specialist, they are going to condemn me and say that it's impossible to actually 'fix' myself and that I'll only get a little better over the course of years and years and years, before dying without actually experiencing what so many other people have accomplished: getting someone 'else' to make them orgasm.

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RE: Fantasizing about others... - 9/11/2010 6:20:17 PM   
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You are quite young and I think changing your wiring isn't going to be as difficult as you think it is.

Finding an affordable sex therapist may be more of a challenge.
Baltimore is where Johns Hopkins is however, and they must have a mental health clinic with their hospital.
Given that they do training in human sexuality there, I am guessing they probably have people who function in that capacity.

rednicky,
It is not uncommon to be distressed by some aspect of one's sexuality, and when it interferes with "real life" then the common sense thing is to get help in fixing it, if you can't fix it yourself.







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RE: Fantasizing about others... - 9/11/2010 10:01:18 PM   
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rednicky, I am 46 and have never had someone else make me have an orgasm.  Yet.
 
I have as many as I want, by myself, as I am multiorgasmic.  (Though I will NEVER have 47 in a row again...yes, I was trying to break some record...as it gave me evil cramps all day long in my womb and I hurt for days afterward, AND I messed up my G-spot for a year, lol, and was barely able to pee.)  I've been busy these past 21 years raising an autistic son, in a teeny town where I found nobody to fall in love with.  One night stands just don't do it for me, even though I've had a few during this time.  Though I've adored past subbies, I haven't been in love with any of them, so all my clothing stayed on.  Just a quirk of mine. 
 
If I find someone special, he WILL be told exactly what to do to get me off.   I am not a teenager nor in my early twenties anymore and I've learned a lot since then.
 
So...are you going to tell me that if your boyfriend ties you up spreadeagled to the bed, gets some lube on your clit and takes a vibe to it...that you can PREVENT yourself from having an orgasm?  (Can any woman do that?)  LOL.
 
I had a friend years ago who couldn't have any orgasms, then she met a man...who was great at oral sex.  She had so many she could barely even walk for hours afterward she was in such a daze, and the slut/huzzy used to even get random orgasms while riding in my car if she even started thinking about what he did to her, or even if we were talking about tampons.  I am so not joking.
 
When I learned how to have orgasms, I tried to show the boyfriend I was with all about them and share this with him, but...he was pissed off instead.  In his stupid vanilla way, he had trained me not to have them.  How?  By not understanding how females have orgasms.  If I had been kinky, and had put a ball gag in his mouth there would have been no problem.  If your guy does some of these vanilla things, have him stop:
 
1)  If you are really wound up and very close, don't let him say, "Let it come." Men spend their whole time trying not to cum, so this seems logical.  Giving me a WTF are you talking about??? moment makes me lose all tension and I'm back to the beginning. 
 
2)  Smack him if he tells you to relax, for the same reason as above, lol.  My orgasm is like slowly pushing a boulder up hill.  Telling me to relax makes me relax for a moment...and the boulder rolls back downhill and I have to start all over again.
 
Anyway, there can be several other problems that you think might be because of fantasy, but might be from other reasons.  The first guy I was with (I was 17 and stupid) used the pull out method for birth control for the first year.  I would get so close to orgasm and then he would pull out.  My body got used to expecting disappointment.  With subs and men I have topped, I've kept my clothing on and have enjoyed having a female boner for hours and hours.  <WEG>  I never had this happen in vanilla and love it, don't want to end it quickly with an orgasm.  Men never seem to understand this.   With one sub, I had this going on for about eight hours at a time and felt like I was walking like a duck.
 
With your boyfriend, if he touches your clit, make sure his fingernail is cut down to nil and any calluses removed, AND that you are using KY Jelley.  Tell him exactly how you like it and give him lots of feedback.  When I get close, if anything changes (direction, intensity) it fizzles out and I have to start all over again, lol.  Learn yourself, then make sure he knows what you like.  Maybe have him do some mild stimulation while you fantasize, have yours, get some hugs, then start on his.  Stop thinking about problems and start finding different things to do and enjoy. 
 
Btw, I found out that with regular sex (penis/vagina) my sister cannot have an orgasm.  She gets so close, and afterward when he gets off of her, all she has to do is squeeze her thighs together a few times and whammo, a great orgasm.  I told you this so you won't feel strange.  Each of us are unique beings.
 
If you cannot go in to a therapist, try to find some solutions with your boyfriend and take things in baby steps.  There is even a butterfly vibe for the clit that I think might be possible to wear during sex.  Seek.  Explore.  It's supposed to be fun, not some pass or flunk test you have to take.   

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RE: Fantasizing about others... - 9/11/2010 10:33:13 PM   
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quote:

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I don't know anymore. I just want to be normal. I don't know how to change my wiring and I'm afraid that if I go to a specialist, they are going to condemn me and say that it's impossible to actually 'fix' myself and that I'll only get a little better over the course of years and years and years, before dying without actually experiencing what so many other people have accomplished: getting someone 'else' to make them orgasm.


Well, what is "normal" really? Everyone is different and there is no yardstick for being "normal". Why care about what others do? You may be getting in your own way of having pleasure by over analyzing things.

Too many people freak out over their fantasies to the extent that it makes them freeze up, instead of loosen up. I think when you are concerned that you are not in your own fantasies, that is actually very common.

I fantasize about tons of things where I am not in them; however, the reality of the situation is when I am thinking of those fantasies where I am not who I REALLY am, it is still a version of who I am or want to be or someone I heard of or read about.

So the fantasy always works to get me off, with or without a partner because I just let the fantasy rip and let the feelings overcome me. I never once worried about why I was having these fantasies, or why these people were in it, etc.

Try to relax, you are thinking too much.

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RE: Fantasizing about others... - 9/12/2010 6:50:16 AM   
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rednicky, I am 46 and have never had someone else make me have an orgasm.  Yet.
 
I have as many as I want, by myself, as I am multiorgasmic.  (Though I will NEVER have 47 in a row again...yes, I was trying to break some record...as it gave me evil cramps all day long in my womb and I hurt for days afterward, AND I messed up my G-spot for a year, lol, and was barely able to pee.)  I've been busy these past 21 years raising an autistic son, in a teeny town where I found nobody to fall in love with.  One night stands just don't do it for me, even though I've had a few during this time.  Though I've adored past subbies, I haven't been in love with any of them, so all my clothing stayed on.  Just a quirk of mine. 
 
If I find someone special, he WILL be told exactly what to do to get me off.   I am not a teenager nor in my early twenties anymore and I've learned a lot since then.
 
So...are you going to tell me that if your boyfriend ties you up spreadeagled to the bed, gets some lube on your clit and takes a vibe to it...that you can PREVENT yourself from having an orgasm?  (Can any woman do that?)  LOL.
 
I had a friend years ago who couldn't have any orgasms, then she met a man...who was great at oral sex.  She had so many she could barely even walk for hours afterward she was in such a daze, and the slut/huzzy used to even get random orgasms while riding in my car if she even started thinking about what he did to her, or even if we were talking about tampons.  I am so not joking.
 
When I learned how to have orgasms, I tried to show the boyfriend I was with all about them and share this with him, but...he was pissed off instead.  In his stupid vanilla way, he had trained me not to have them.  How?  By not understanding how females have orgasms.  If I had been kinky, and had put a ball gag in his mouth there would have been no problem.  If your guy does some of these vanilla things, have him stop:
 
1)  If you are really wound up and very close, don't let him say, "Let it come." Men spend their whole time trying not to cum, so this seems logical.  Giving me a WTF are you talking about??? moment makes me lose all tension and I'm back to the beginning. 
 
2)  Smack him if he tells you to relax, for the same reason as above, lol.  My orgasm is like slowly pushing a boulder up hill.  Telling me to relax makes me relax for a moment...and the boulder rolls back downhill and I have to start all over again.
 
Anyway, there can be several other problems that you think might be because of fantasy, but might be from other reasons.  The first guy I was with (I was 17 and stupid) used the pull out method for birth control for the first year.  I would get so close to orgasm and then he would pull out.  My body got used to expecting disappointment.  With subs and men I have topped, I've kept my clothing on and have enjoyed having a female boner for hours and hours.  <WEG>  I never had this happen in vanilla and love it, don't want to end it quickly with an orgasm.  Men never seem to understand this.   With one sub, I had this going on for about eight hours at a time and felt like I was walking like a duck.
 
With your boyfriend, if he touches your clit, make sure his fingernail is cut down to nil and any calluses removed, AND that you are using KY Jelley.  Tell him exactly how you like it and give him lots of feedback.  When I get close, if anything changes (direction, intensity) it fizzles out and I have to start all over again, lol.  Learn yourself, then make sure he knows what you like.  Maybe have him do some mild stimulation while you fantasize, have yours, get some hugs, then start on his.  Stop thinking about problems and start finding different things to do and enjoy. 
 
Btw, I found out that with regular sex (penis/vagina) my sister cannot have an orgasm.  She gets so close, and afterward when he gets off of her, all she has to do is squeeze her thighs together a few times and whammo, a great orgasm.  I told you this so you won't feel strange.  Each of us are unique beings.
 
If you cannot go in to a therapist, try to find some solutions with your boyfriend and take things in baby steps.  There is even a butterfly vibe for the clit that I think might be possible to wear during sex.  Seek.  Explore.  It's supposed to be fun, not some pass or flunk test you have to take.   


Actually, when I think about it, I have had an orgasm he was responsible for (somewhat). what happened was I directed him exactly what to do and how to use my vibrator on me (Its huge and powerful and takes C batteries). We didn't enjoy the process too much, although the outcome was the best orgasm ever. Basically I lied there on the bed for 2 hours and fantasized. He had to be really quiet, not say a word, and do exactly what I told him to. No sudden movements. Don't touch me. Nothing. 2 hours. Needless to say I f'ed up his wrist. But I did have the best orgasm ever. The kind that makes you shake and shout. I got the bed wet and thought I peed but he said I didn't. Still, we only did this twice because the process was too much.

But I want to be turned on by 'him'. Something 'he' does. I want him to kiss and hug and touch me while he massages me down there. He liked that I came when he did what he did but the lack of control on his part wasn't really something he cared for. He's tried tying me up and taking control of how the vibrator moves. We were at it for so long because I just wanted into it. Then I noticed the vibrator was getting hot. Then it stopped working.

I just don't want to be so fantasy dependent. I want him to make me feel good. I don't want to just feel good through his arm.

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RE: Fantasizing about others... - 9/12/2010 9:32:14 AM   
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Do you still have grandparents?  It not go to a nursing home.  Volunteer.  Ask someone who has been married 50 years if they fantasize about others.  You'll get your answer. 

Many fantasize especially in long standing relationships.  It is normal for things to get old. 

Why worry about it?


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RE: Fantasizing about others... - 9/13/2010 5:03:56 AM   
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Finding yourself a turn off shows you have mental health issues. Get help with them.

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RE: Fantasizing about others... - 9/16/2010 5:37:18 PM   
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However the truth is that life is not like bodice-ripper romance novels, where dominant men up-end women
and spank them without an invitation to do so first, because if they did, they would be looking at assault charges from a majority of women.


I'm fairly certain she isn't looking for a pillaging horde to kidnap her.

Bodice ripper romance is not meant to be accurate, of course. But a spoken invitation isn't necessarily a part of the mating game, kink or no kink. It's an interaction, and neither taking initiative, nor the probing for what sweeps her off her feet, need to involve speaking the words. A million different signals tell both parties what is going on, and what can come of it. That's what 200.000 years of practice will do for your gene pool: create compatible instincts and preferences.

Anyway, I expect she's talking about something else: reality vs suspense of disbelief.

A conscious, active and ongoing choice of submission does not equate to a reality of dominance of one over the other in a relationship. It will allow a suspense of disbelief to occur, and that will probably be preferable for most. Such suspense of disbelief exists due to a commitment to the exchange. For some, however, the desire is to be conquered and kept, not to be joined and remain. In short, for power to actually reside in the hands of the dominant. To use a quote that has nothing to do with kink, and yet everything to do with power: power is always taken, never given.

For me, either way works, but they are in no way the same thing.

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There is a reason why people talk about consent and it is for the protection of both parties.


Actually, it's because we have been doing it long enough for it to become a norm. I see 'nilla people hooking up all the time without bringing up words like consent. Kink is only different because we make it be different, and because the awareness of diversity makes it a convenient way to cut down on the time it takes to figure out what works for two or more people, and whether they are compatible in the first place. I'm not particularly convinced that it's all that effective in that regard, either.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating non-consensual kink.

I'm simply saying affirmation of consent is of dubious value, because its absence is blatantly obvious.

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The issue is your brain is wired to respond in one way and you want to change that but can't do that on your own. So, find someone with the knowledge and tools to help you acheive that.


Acquiring the tools works just as well as hiring them, on the balance.

That said, I see an issue which is likely to resolve on encountering the right one for her. She's put herself in a double bind. She wants a dominant who is quite a handful, in that the right one may change her life dramatically and in ways she can't really know up front. That is a scary prospect when it is faced as real, and a hot one when it is just fantasy. Kind of like the anxiety of an approaching arranged marriage, for people in cultures that still practice arranged marriages. Will he be kind? Will I be well cared for? Will I find myself 10 years down the line, wanting out, yet unable to leave?

All the little bumps in the road can seem more intimidating when you can't readily drive around them or turn back.

Doesn't seem like a counselling issue to me, though it may be useful for all I know.

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RE: Fantasizing about others... - 9/16/2010 5:41:11 PM   
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However the truth is that life is not like bodice-ripper romance novels, where dominant men up-end women
and spank them without an invitation to do so first,


DARN IT!  I'm out of here, then!

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RE: Fantasizing about others... - 9/16/2010 5:58:27 PM   
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Finding yourself a turn off shows you have mental health issues. Get help with them.


The question, about which I didn't see her being very clear, is whether she is saying that she finds herself an outright turnoff in the sense of killing her arousal, or if her fantasies simply don't work with her in them, or that she needs something other than herself for a fantasy to be successful. I can make a fantasy work without it having me in it. But I can't really make a fantasy work without a woman in it. And some few people make exceptionally cold showers if a stray thought should land them in a fantasy of mine.

If she's finding herself a complete mood killer, that would merit looking into if it interferes with a relationship, but simply finding herself to be insufficient to work in a fantasy is not necessarily an issue at all, except insofar as she's distressed by it. As such, it would be nice to have the question of degree clarified.

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RE: Fantasizing about others... - 9/17/2010 4:53:14 AM   
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You are quite young and I think changing your wiring isn't going to be as difficult as you think it is.

Finding an affordable sex therapist may be more of a challenge.
Baltimore is where Johns Hopkins is however, and they must have a mental health clinic with their hospital.
Given that they do training in human sexuality there, I am guessing they probably have people who function in that capacity.



Rednicky:
although I'm not a big fan of Hopkins (they have a terrible, silent history when it comes to transgender issues) there are some options for you here.  I will PM you some possible therapists in Baltimore that I know personally--if you don't have insurance, you can see if the Chase-Brexton Clinic (LGBT healthcare) in the city can help you with an appropriate referral.

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