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AlwaysLisa -> A connection? (9/13/2010 3:23:15 PM)

I'm coming here to ask because I wonder if there is a connection between the feeling some get with BDSM and the thrill of a slasher movie.

We were sitting around talking during a commercial break in some program and one airing after another came on promoting violent, bloody films.  I counted three in one break...The Exorcist, The Devil and one I can't recall....this got me to thinking.   What motivates, or drives people to be scared?   There is a real need in some for the bloodbath movies, while others prefer more of a mind twister/shocker.   The fear, or shock, is that the same adrenalin release that happens with BDSM? 

I'm not one for either, give me an old Doris Day movie any day of the week!   So I was curious as to what causes people to seek out a thriller, what does it do for them?    It seems as of we run in waves of slasher films, each one more gruesome then the next, is the public becoming numb to the effects?  Requiring more blood, more shock in each one?  

Does that happen in BDSM?  Do things need to esculate in order to get the same results over time?  

The things that creep into my mind... I was just trying to figure out the whys :)





Termyn8or -> RE: A connection? (9/13/2010 9:52:51 PM)

I had to perv your profile to get a handle on this, and still I am not sure this is a respose you seek. Here goes anyway.

I studied a bit of psychology in eary life and I guess created a monster. As such I've been studying humanity for about thirty years. I don't let many people in real life know this to avoid the alienation which would result. However when I say it takes all kinds and we gotem, I speak from experience.

First an analogy. Years ago there were fagbashers, people who would beat homosexuals for no other reason than they were homosexual. There is alot less of that going on now for several reasons, not the least of which is that Gays learned how to fight, but that is not the only reason. It still goes on, but alot less frequently.

But what I have noticed is that many of the fagbashers have or had latent homosexual tendencies. Desires that they repressed because of the embarrassment which would ensue. In a way it is a form of jealousy, because courage does not lie in strength.

Offhand I would guess that you have at least a mild interest in BDSM, but hubby isn't into it. Hopefully your life is fulfilling enough that you are happy. It can happen.

So onto the subject at hand - I think a similar situation exists for the realm of BDSM. I think alot more people are at least curious or would like to try it, but today image is everything so they are reluctant to do so because of fear of discovery. They don't want to be seen as "wierdos", or rejected from the "pack". This is one of those animal instincts that remains part of the human psyche to this day, and is showing no signs of waning in most people.

Enter the Hellbound Hellraiser series of movies. If you haven't seen them, they have a cube, a much more elaborate version of a Rubik's cube or something like that. By moving certain pieces the posessor is transported into an alternate reality which I suppose is supposed to be hell according to the storyline. This world goes way beyond safe, sane as well as consentual(I think) with people restrained by fishhokks and such. Another example is one being kept in a straitjacket, and one would normally assume that due to insanity, DTs or drug withdrawal he felt creepy crawlers all over his body under the jacket. However of course there really were creepy crawlers all over him. But that's the movie.

It was fairly popular, why ? I would say that at least some lived vicariously through the images presented, but probably never even owned a pair of handcuffs. They would be embarrassed to walk into a sex toy store to buy a fake pair, and even more deathly afraid to go to say, a gunshop and buy a real pair. They do not want to tarnish their image.

And then there are those who would seek to ban BDSM outright, no matter how safe, sane and consentual it may be. My opinion is that they are the ones with the strongest desires, thus the most repressed - by their own psyche I might add.

But with life that sucks and is generally boring for most, the images on the screen are a release, a way to experience something they cannot in real life. I can see this because I was never fooled. All the excitement right there at the remote control or the video rental store. Release, fullfillment, but all fake. Right at their fingertips.

Then there is another contingent of humanity that fantasises a bit differently. The Damsel In Distress symdrome is what I would coin it. This is when a Man wants to see a Woman captive, all tied up or whatever - in distress. He muses about releasing her and of course she is grateful and he is the hero and they ride off into the sunset or something along those lines.

Now comes the entertainment industry, happy to oblige. They are possibly the best run operation in the world, and employ some very apt people to analyze commonalities in those movies, weighing in their peformance at the box office as well as future DVD sales (and before that, videotapes). They also know how many five foot TVs are sold, and VCRs and DVD players and all that. It is simply a part of market analysis and they are very good at it. They know how bored people are, they know that the constructive hobbies of the past are largely gone.

They must appeal to the largest segment of the market possible to succeed, and they do. In fact entertainment makes up a significant portion of US exports, despite the fact that many things filmed on location are done across the world, a fairly large portion of the final product comes from the US.

I am different than most because since a very early age I have known the stark difference between fiction and reality. I also know that it is impossible to have sex with a TV or monitor screen. I haven't even looked at porn for a couple of years, despite the fact that thousands of dollars of it reside on my harddrive. (mostly "borrowed" )

Some of my porn isn't porn at all, it is pictures of restraint equipment used in hospitals, mental wards and jails. The difference between others and I is that I actively persued purchasing such equipment, but to buy most of it you need to be a bona fide institution. In fact a fairly popular BDSM website is/was actually called the institute. But don't think less of those who find things that are used on the extremely sick and depressed erotic. Those with BDSM tendencies can no more easily fight the urge than a homosexual. If they go out and act out their fantasies non consentually of course that is a different story.

I am in doubt as to whether this is the answer which you sought, but I tried.

T




dreamerdreaming -> RE: A connection? (9/13/2010 10:28:31 PM)

Its FUN to be scared in a safe way!  [:)]

Movies are a safe, fun way to be scared.
  
And I don't do mindfucks, but maybe this is part of why some people like them. You get to be scared or be the one scaring someone, but in such a way as that there is no real harm (if its done right). Is that what you're getting at, OP?




AlwaysLisa -> RE: A connection? (9/14/2010 6:25:46 AM)

Thank you both!  

I'm not sure if I know where I was heading with this...and please forgive my ignorance when it comes to BDSM.  

It just seemed to me that people as a group, were becoming more and more captivated by thriller movies, so I was trying to find out why.   BDSM, to me, seems to have much of the same "thrill" from all I have read, so I was wondering if the two were similar in nature.  

I need to do more reading, but thank you for explaining in such detail, it has helped  alot! 

Lisa




LadyRian -> RE: A connection? (9/14/2010 7:22:56 AM)

Hello,
I can speak only for myself here, but I absolutely loathe slasher films.
I'm not one for horror movies in general, albeit I must say I do enjoy zombie and vampire flicks. The adrenaline rush I get from BDSM can't be reproduced by any movie, at least not for me. There's a lot more to it for me than that, complexities I can't even begin to describe without wall of text, and a lot more exploration into my own personality, which I'm doing every day anyhow.








soul2share -> RE: A connection? (9/14/2010 8:00:40 AM)

I love horror movies, and the feeling of "fear" I get is nothing like the feeling I get from anything connected to the lifestyle.  I don't do slasher movies much anymore.....more of the films like Paranormal Activity, The Exorcist, The Exorcism of Emily Rose....movies like that.  The plot lines of movies like that fascinate me, and because the possibilty of realism actually exists, THAT is what scares me.  Physically, the "fear" may trigger the same hormonal or chemical response from one's body, but I have never felt it.  There is a definite difference to me.




LaTigresse -> RE: A connection? (9/14/2010 10:14:29 AM)

I hate hate HATE horror movies. I don't allow anyone to watch them in my home. I don't even like particularly violent movies. Either physically or emotionally violent. Yet, I am sadistic.

It's just two totally different things, for me.




sexyred1 -> RE: A connection? (9/14/2010 12:03:52 PM)

I find no connection at all between a love of slasher films and BDSM.

I despise slasher films, just gratuitous violence with little plot.

BDSM for me is connected to my sexuality, so there is no connection.

However, if one is really turned on simply by violent acts and they not connected to a person in a cerebral or emotional way, perhaps you could then make a connection. Or else they are a budding serial killer.




LadyPact -> RE: A connection? (9/14/2010 12:23:28 PM)

I'm another one that doesn't care for slasher flicks.  I do happen to be a person that enjoys various kinds of sharps and blood play, but slasher flicks don't evoke the same response in Me.  Then again, porn doesn't excite Me nearly as much as My own or watching real live sexual encounters of others in the flesh.  Watching someone get bloodied on a screen doesn't come even close to the thrill I have over drawing even one drop of My own boy's blood.  There is just so much missing that it can't possibly be seen as the same to Me.

What I found more interesting about your original was this:

"
Does that happen in BDSM?  Do things need to esculate in order to get the same results over time? "

My personal answer on this is no.  For Me, there are just so many things out there that I put under the umbrella of BDSM.  It's not like doing one activity constantly to the point of you are going to become bored with it unless it is more intense.  If there is just one type of play, pain tolerance and the like will increase, but who says that you have to stick to just one thing that involves pain?  Who says that you have to inflict physical pain each and every time, for that matter?  This whole thing is a buffet of a thousand dishes so that the pallet never becomes bored with just one.  There are plenty of things out there to keep play exciting.




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