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RE: A word of warning, don't insult the president - 9/13/2010 9:09:29 PM   
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And Handsome, you already told me that today.



And gullible.

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RE: A word of warning, don't insult the president - 9/13/2010 9:09:37 PM   
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Broad based compromises in the health care bill? A bill that is so anti-capitalist that even a lot of Dems hated it? This is so laughable an example its pitiful.


Willbeur, as usual you flap your lips a lot but offer nothing of any substance in rebuttal.

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RE: A word of warning, don't insult the president - 9/13/2010 9:13:31 PM   
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That's a common refrain among Republicans that both chambers are Democratically controlled, but it has never been reality. 



This is an example of why nothing you say can be taken seriously.


No,  its an example of your complete ignorance of the rules that the House and and Senate operate under.





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RE: A word of warning, don't insult the president - 9/13/2010 9:20:05 PM   
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Broad based compromises in the health care bill? A bill that is so anti-capitalist that even a lot of Dems hated it? This is so laughable an example its pitiful.


Willbeur, as usual you flap your lips a lot but offer nothing of any substance in rebuttal.



Your asinine claim that there was compromise with the GOP on the health care bill doesnt deserve rebuttal. Read my lips: there was none.

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RE: A word of warning, don't insult the president - 9/13/2010 9:28:16 PM   
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That's a common refrain among Republicans that both chambers are Democratically controlled, but it has never been reality. 



This is an example of why nothing you say can be taken seriously.


No,  its an example of your complete ignorance of the rules that the House and and Senate operate under.







No. I think he had it right to begin with, RML. Statements like that just make you look very stupid. You, and so many of your colleagues, so love to quibble over the meanings of words, and the strictest of definitions. Yet "majority" has you stumped. Peeling off one or two Senators on a filibuster, so they can win the floor vote; Is it impossible, or just requires leadership this administration is apparently unable to provide?

Since you mentioned loss of the 60-vote supermajority, do you remember why there was even an election in MA for Scott Brown to win?

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RE: A word of warning, don't insult the president - 9/13/2010 9:33:58 PM   
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Your asinine claim that there was compromise with the GOP on the health care bill doesnt deserve rebuttal. Read my lips: there was none.


No shit?

You mean Obama and the Democrats just decided they really didn't like the public option after all the time they spent promoting it?

If you want to have a discussion in good faith then I'm willing. 

If you want want to deny the obvious then I'm more than happy to watch you make a fool of yourself.

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RE: A word of warning, don't insult the president - 9/13/2010 9:41:36 PM   
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Your asinine claim that there was compromise with the GOP on the health care bill doesnt deserve rebuttal. Read my lips: there was none.


No shit?

You mean Obama and the Democrats just decided they really didn't like the public option after all the time they spent promoting it?

If you want to have a discussion in good faith then I'm willing. 

If you want want to deny the obvious then I'm more than happy to watch you make a fool of yourself.



He couldnt get the public option past the Democrats or it would have been in there.

what a maroon

and


"Liberals dropped the public insurance plan that was a central plank of the Democrats' health bill in favor of a more limited alternative, following intense pressure from a small group of Democrats who had insisted for months that it was a deal-breaker. While disputes over abortion coverage and other issues remain, Democrats appeared a whisker away from having enough votes to overcome Republican opposition and pass a sweeping health overhaul in the Senate.

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RE: A word of warning, don't insult the president - 9/13/2010 10:16:18 PM   
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He said: "I don't remember exactly what I wrote as I was drunk. But I think I called Barack Obama a p***k. It was silly - the sort of thing you do when you're a teenager and have had a few."

Luke, of Silsoe, Beds, said it was "a bit extreme" for the FBI to act.

He added: "The police came and took my picture and told me I was banned from America forever. I don't really care but my parents aren't very happy."

A Beds Police spokesman said: "The individual sent an email to the White House full of abusive and threatening language. We were informed by the Metropolitan Police and went to see him. He said, 'Oh dear, it was me'."

Officers will take no criminal action.


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3135327/Obama-rant-Brit-banned-from-US-for-life.html

Funny how he doesnt "remember" what he wrote, but he knew it was a bit extreme for the FBI to react. He was drunk! Stupid twit doesnt remember what he said? To make it worse, there are people actually defending him because of his age. Sounds more like he needs to be pulled across someone's knee and spanked.. and not in a pleasant way.

But, he played his game, acted like a big man on campus, sending off a threatening note to a world leader, and expected nothing to come of it. This little stunt of his may have just closed quite a few career doors for him in the future. Sad kids these days arent taught to do more than drink and think about the next day.

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RE: A word of warning, don't insult the president - 9/13/2010 11:50:43 PM   
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The kid should be lucky he wasn't extradited to the United States to stand trial. Last I checked, the United States of America and the United Kingdom, share an extradition treaty. But I could be wrong. However, depending the wording of the treaty, he might not have been in any legal danger. Still, making threats, even drunk, towards the President of the United States is a pretty serious matter.




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RE: A word of warning, don't insult the president - 9/14/2010 2:33:01 AM   
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To the OP...

The kid should be lucky he wasn't extradited to the United States to stand trial. Last I checked, the United States of America and the United Kingdom, share an extradition treaty. But I could be wrong. However, depending the wording of the treaty, he might not have been in any legal danger. Still, making threats, even drunk, towards the President of the United States is a pretty serious matter.

You're quite right: Blair rushed a unilateral extradition treaty (where the American government can demand whoever they want to try while offering nothing in return) through a while back.
I would be interested to know if any of the many American citizens who've been sending the Kenyan death threats have been deported and banned from coming back into the country ever again. Probably not, I suspect. This looks a bit like a diversion to me.

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RE: A word of warning, don't insult the president - 9/14/2010 4:59:56 AM   
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Ah, I see, from reading elsewhere, it is possible Obama has a dislike for the British because of what happened to his Grand Father in Kenya, what the British Colonial private army was reported to have done to him after suspecting him of terrorist/freedom fighter involvement. Fair enough, that would be another nail in the coffin for what the British Colonials did to other countries, something us modern Brits are coming to find, our ancestors have soured our patch before we are born, we are disliked for people we had no involvement with.

But, if Obama is harbouring a dislike based upon past events, he is playing a dangerous game, a game which may sour America in the British mind, for two wrongs do not make a right, if he is what he was vaunted to be, he has to cast the past aside and work on the present, as it is what people do now that is the future, not the mixed up battles of the past.

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RE: A word of warning, don't insult the president - 9/14/2010 5:14:42 AM   
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Fast Reply in answer to no one in particular but myself

Ah, I see, from reading elsewhere, it is possible Obama has a dislike for the British because of what happened to his Grand Father in Kenya, what the British Colonial private army was reported to have done to him after suspecting him of terrorist/freedom fighter involvement. Fair enough, that would be another nail in the coffin for what the British Colonials did to other countries, something us modern Brits are coming to find, our ancestors have soured our patch before we are born, we are disliked for people we had no involvement with.

But, if Obama is harbouring a dislike based upon past events, he is playing a dangerous game, a game which may sour America in the British mind, for two wrongs do not make a right, if he is what he was vaunted to be, he has to cast the past aside and work on the present, as it is what people do now that is the future, not the mixed up battles of the past.


Early in his first month as POTUS, Barack Hussein Obama returned to the British embassy in Washington DC a bronze bust of former British prime minister Sir Winston Churchill, once voted the greatest Briton in history, which was loaned to George W Bush from the British embassy's s art collection after the September 11 attacks.

The bronze by Sir Jacob Epstein, worth hundreds of thousands of pounds if it were ever sold on the open market, enjoyed pride of place in the Oval Office during President Bush's tenure.

Barack Obama's aides admit errors are making him less popular but when British officials offered to let Mr Obama to hang onto the bust for a further four years, the White House said: "Thanks, but no thanks."

American politicians have made quoting Churchill, whose mother was American, something of an art form, but not Mr Obama.

Churchill has less happy connotations for Mr Obama than those American politicians who celebrate his wartime leadership. It was during Churchill's second premiership that Britain suppressed Kenya's Mau Mau rebellion. Among Kenyans allegedly tortured by the colonial regime included one Hussein Onyango Obama, the President's grandfather.


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RE: A word of warning, don't insult the president - 9/14/2010 5:19:13 AM   
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But as he supposedly understands that not all Muslims are terrorists, then the same should apply to the British, not all British are the colonial bastards from the past.

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RE: A word of warning, don't insult the president - 9/14/2010 5:44:28 AM   
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RE: A word of warning, don't insult the president - 9/14/2010 6:03:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		indeed he lets the past shade his current outlook.
he went to an anti american church for 20 years. he has chosen to hang with anti american marxis his entire adult life.....so its not just the british he is alinating!
My dislike of him has nothing to do with his race, its all about his fucked up beliefs.



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RE: A word of warning, don't insult the president - 9/14/2010 6:18:13 AM   
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indeed he lets the past shade his current outlook.
he went to an anti american church for 20 years. he has chosen to hang with anti american marxis his entire adult life.....so its not just the british he is alinating!
My dislike of him has nothing to do with his race, its all about his fucked up beliefs.



That explains you not posting for 6 years and now suspiciously and suddenly you post anything that is anti Obama, anti muslim, anti liberal, anti Democrat, anti intellectual (and anti good grammar and spelling.)
 
Way to be consistent.

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RE: A word of warning, don't insult the president - 9/14/2010 6:58:38 AM   
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anti american marxis

The games company who did The Sims?

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RE: A word of warning, don't insult the president - 9/14/2010 8:54:23 AM   
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I still find it funny many do not expect this so called kid to man up to his actions.

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RE: A word of warning, don't insult the president - 9/14/2010 9:16:36 AM   
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No. I think he had it right to begin with, RML. Statements like that just make you look very stupid. You, and so many of your colleagues, so love to quibble over the meanings of words, and the strictest of definitions. Yet "majority" has you stumped. Peeling off one or two Senators on a filibuster, so they can win the floor vote; Is it impossible, or just requires leadership this administration is apparently unable to provide?

Since you mentioned loss of the 60-vote supermajority, do you remember why there was even an election in MA for Scott Brown to win?


Again Richie, learn something about what you are talking about.

A good start would be LaM's thread, "What's Wrong With the Senate?".

Your simplistic view that 60 votes provides an unstoppable super-majority ignores other procedural rules that allow legislation to be blocked and ignores that every majority party is not necessarily going to vote in lockstep.

You might also want to take a look at the link below.  Yes it is from a partisan source but the numbers used are verifiable.

Open Left:: Actual Senate supermajority requirements: 72 Democrats

As far as your last question, I have no idea what point you are trying to make.  Do you?



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RE: A word of warning, don't insult the president - 9/14/2010 9:43:35 AM   
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Your asinine claim that there was compromise with the GOP on the health care bill doesnt deserve rebuttal. Read my lips: there was none.


No shit?

You mean Obama and the Democrats just decided they really didn't like the public option after all the time they spent promoting it?

If you want to have a discussion in good faith then I'm willing. 

If you want want to deny the obvious then I'm more than happy to watch you make a fool of yourself.



He couldnt get the public option past the Democrats or it would have been in there.

what a maroon

and


"Liberals dropped the public insurance plan that was a central plank of the Democrats' health bill in favor of a more limited alternative, following intense pressure from a small group of Democrats who had insisted for months that it was a deal-breaker. While disputes over abortion coverage and other issues remain, Democrats appeared a whisker away from having enough votes to overcome Republican opposition and pass a sweeping health overhaul in the Senate.


The six Republican ideas already in the health-care ...

At this point, I don't think it's well understood how many of the GOP's central health-care policy ideas have already been included as compromises in the health-care bill. But one good way is to look at the GOP's "Solutions for America" homepage, which lays out its health-care plan in some detail. It has four planks. All of them -- yes, you read that right -- are in the Senate health-care bill.

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