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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/14/2010 11:31:20 AM   
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1.  Color is not the issue.  The policies of the government is the issue.


I would say that was true.... I saw one of those "colored" people being interviewed, and he has a Tshirt about gay marriage on... so he was obviously there for a certain agenda.


Here is the thing, just because people can be divided on the basis of culture wars (IE gay marriage, abortion, prayer in school, Islamophobia.. etc etc etc) does not mean that they are supporting causes that will benefit them.

I mean, seriously, look at what the senate minority leader McConnell is against tax cuts being extended for the middle class and poor and small businesses... if people were going to support what was good for them, they would rain hell fire down on MCConnell's head

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/14/2010 11:41:36 AM   
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I found it funny that there was never a random passerby or person of color in the crowd

Having just watched the video, I can confidently say that you are either blind or a liar.

But hey, that's okay... if you think it's funny at least you're having fun.
K.


How is he lying? This video is highly discriminating of its canidates for an interview. This isn't an 'on the spot interview', but one in which the person was targeted mainly for the color of their skin. Isn't that the defination of 'discrimination'? Isn't that being racist?

Look at the background, to the skin color of folks at the gathering. What is their skin color?

The grand majority I see are white (not just the majority, but the grand majority). Its a fair bet from what I've seen, that there's a similar percentage who are very racist in the crowd (whether they show it or not). And that group really doesnt like the minority citizens.



Joether, and what are "white" people, chopped liver? When did "caucaision" become, "not a color?"
Or, are you saying "white people don't count?"
And you see racists in the crowd? Boy, you're good! Could you p.m. me the mega millions numbers for tonight?
You're making a lot of assumptions.

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/14/2010 11:51:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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0:07 (left side, black women in pink top)
1.26 (right side, man walking)
1.47-8 ((walking right to left across entire screen.  Has Lime vest one, and stops and looks down on the left side of screen).
1:51 (guy walks into the right side.  White T shirt, brown shorts.
1:55 (guy in background between the two guys being interviewed)
2.12 (guy sitting on the wall of the pool, far left side)


If you look at the clip the "people of color" walking through the clip might not be a part of this get together. Washington DC is a very well traveled spot, tourists of all descriptions go there, not all of those filmed were necessarily taking part in this rally. To represent them as such could be deceptive....


Good posts, julia.

As for this specific one, DK made the comment "there was never a random passerby or person of color in the crowd", and I disproved his point.

I'm not going to quibble with him about "this one or that one".  He admitted at least one, so his original statement was proved in error.

If I acted like him, I'd proceed to call him "a liar", but since I know the real meaning of that word, I won't be doing that.

Ideological blinded, now ....



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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/14/2010 12:00:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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0:07 (left side, black women in pink top)
1.26 (right side, man walking)
1.47-8 ((walking right to left across entire screen.  Has Lime vest one, and stops and looks down on the left side of screen).
1:51 (guy walks into the right side.  White T shirt, brown shorts.
1:55 (guy in background between the two guys being interviewed)
2.12 (guy sitting on the wall of the pool, far left side)


If you look at the clip the "people of color" walking through the clip might not be a part of this get together. Washington DC is a very well traveled spot, tourists of all descriptions go there, not all of those filmed were necessarily taking part in this rally. To represent them as such could be deceptive....


Good posts, julia.

As for this specific one, DK made the comment "there was never a random passerby or person of color in the crowd", and I disproved his point.

I'm not going to quibble with him about "this one or that one".  He admitted at least one, so his original statement was proved in error.

If I acted like him, I'd proceed to call him "a liar", but since I know the real meaning of that word, I won't be doing that.

Ideological blinded, now ....



Firm


I could of course point out that you are, in your usual girly passive agressive way, calling me a liar and not even having the balls to do it in direct response to me. I could also point out that there is little I consider more cowardly and pathetic than a man being passive aggressive.

But then I'd be acting like you and I have more self respect than to do that.

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/14/2010 12:05:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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0:07 (left side, black women in pink top)
1.26 (right side, man walking)
1.47-8 ((walking right to left across entire screen.  Has Lime vest one, and stops and looks down on the left side of screen).
1:51 (guy walks into the right side.  White T shirt, brown shorts.
1:55 (guy in background between the two guys being interviewed)
2.12 (guy sitting on the wall of the pool, far left side)


If you look at the clip the "people of color" walking through the clip might not be a part of this get together. Washington DC is a very well traveled spot, tourists of all descriptions go there, not all of those filmed were necessarily taking part in this rally. To represent them as such could be deceptive....


Good posts, julia.

As for this specific one, DK made the comment "there was never a random passerby or person of color in the crowd", and I disproved his point.

I'm not going to quibble with him about "this one or that one".  He admitted at least one, so his original statement was proved in error.

If I acted like him, I'd proceed to call him "a liar", but since I know the real meaning of that word, I won't be doing that.

Ideological blinded, now ....



Firm



Firm, they said there were "no people of color" (meaning blacks, asians?) at Tea Party events.
So, they show them some and now the naysayers seem to be unsatisfied with the "number" (of non-caucaisions?) and seem to be trying to shift their positions to,... "not enough?"
What if there were 100, 500, 2,000? At what point would they reconoiter? Maybe,..."317?"
Am I close?

DomKen, there are two "racists" so therefor "everyone" is "racist?" Ergo proptor hoc.
"There are two M.D.s in that crowd so therefor everyone in the crowd must be an M.D.?"
I can see why you got so twisted up in that "global warming" crap.That's fine but you were trying to "sell" it to others as well.

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/14/2010 12:08:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Any group that excludes people because of the color of their skin is a racist group. The tea partiers do not exclude anyone.

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/14/2010 12:20:22 PM   
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Any group that excludes people because of the color of their skin is a racist group. The tea partiers do not exclude anyone.


I think it's kind of "racist" that certain people would assume that "people of color" wouldn't be interested in changing the way our govt. does things!
But, what would I know, I'm just a beeg GIRRR-LEY MAHNNN zitting he-ah aht my FUOOKING KEE BORD!

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/14/2010 12:21:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		So, communists and socialists, racists and muslims gun rights obstructionists and spend and taxers are all welcome to come down and have a little sip of tea?

Who fuckin knew?

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/14/2010 12:22:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Many liberals, some of which are regulars here on collarme, still beileve that only whites can be racists. This thread proves just that.

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/14/2010 12:29:05 PM   
popeye1250


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Many liberals, some of which are regulars here on collarme, still beileve that only whites can be racists. This thread proves just that.


Of course, but we all knew that didn't we?
Sounds like a good thread comming up?

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/14/2010 12:29:13 PM   
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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/14/2010 12:45:00 PM   
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So, communists and socialists, racists and muslims gun rights obstructionists and spend and taxers are all welcome to come down and have a little sip of tea?

Who fuckin knew?


If they believed in the same thing that most of the TEA party people do, then by definition they wouldn't be communists, socialists, racists, and all the rest of the strawmen that you attempted to throw out.

Good attempt though, Ron!

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/14/2010 1:08:45 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		no strawmen thrown out whatsoever, your comprehension fading  all of a sudden?

please read the statement that was made, then the direct response.

I know you at least on the layist level know what a strawman is, and what I did isn't it.



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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/14/2010 1:22:55 PM   
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no strawmen thrown out whatsoever, your comprehension fading  all of a sudden?

please read the statement that was made, then the direct response.

I know you at least on the layist level know what a strawman is, and what I did isn't it.




Lol, come on now Ron, those were "strawmen". Don't be a "GIRRRLEY MAHN!"
Do you think illegal aliens would have gun rights, john birchers, Democrats , Republicans or The Minutemen at their rallies? Of course not.
They (would) have communists, socialists, illegals, illegal sympathizers, "community organizers", "la raza", mechi-whatever it is and any "left-wing" entity would be welcomed I'm sure.

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/14/2010 1:28:31 PM   
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So, you now admit that there are "People of Color" in the background? 

And your argument now is "there ain't enough of them"? (see Kirata's multiple comments)

Of course, this begs the question ... if I had taken your position, and you had found the people, then you would have said that I had "lied". 

So ... would you classify your earlier comments as "a lie" or "being blind"?

Firm


You flat out made up as many people of color as you found. Now I've watched the silly little video twice and the point the media has made still stands, the racial makeup of these rallies is statistically significant in who is underrepresented.


Thats odd, I thought you had posted in another thread that people of color are not under represented in the tea party. I was giving you too much credit.

The fact is they arent under represented. 12% of the tea party is non-white. 20% of the US population self identifies as non-white. Since about 2/3 of those are black, and they traditionally are close to 90% Democrat you would expect at most 11% of the tea party to be non-white.

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/14/2010 1:45:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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no strawmen thrown out whatsoever, your comprehension fading  all of a sudden?

please read the statement that was made, then the direct response.

I know you at least on the layist level know what a strawman is, and what I did isn't it.




Lol, come on now Ron, those were "strawmen". Don't be a "GIRRRLEY MAHN!"
Do you think illegal aliens would have gun rights, john birchers, Democrats , Republicans or The Minutemen at their rallies? Of course not.
They (would) have communists, socialists, illegals, illegal sympathizers, "community organizers", "la raza", mechi-whatever it is and any "left-wing" entity would be welcomed I'm sure.


This is a classic strawman, because it does not address the argument forwarded nor the argument in response. 

An illegal immigrant rally?  Fascinating concept. Aren't these already called INS roundups?

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/14/2010 1:50:26 PM   
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'Person Of Colour' - is that a politically acceptable term to describe black people in the US? 

Or is 'People Of Colour' a term used to describe non-Caucasian people?

Or does it mean something else I haven't thought of?

I only ask because I have never heard it used in the UK, where we tend to use simple (and sometimes not especially useful) descriptives like Black, White, Dual Heritage, Asian, Chinese etc...

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/14/2010 2:25:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		DomKen trying to use that LIE about Dick Armey Starting the whole thing again?

"The fact the whole thing got started by Dick Armey? "

The Tea Party rallies and taxx protests started before Dick Armey came around.

Dick Armey DID NOT START THE TEA PARTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The original idea started with a woman named Keli Carender. Dick Armey came along some 3 or so months later with his Freedom Works group trying harness the power for his own means.

Again the TRUTH is that a Seatle woman named Keli Carender started the Tea Party Movement.

But the guy who loves to call others liar will undoubably fail to admit his own lie pointed out here.











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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/14/2010 2:26:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

So, you now admit that there are "People of Color" in the background? 

And your argument now is "there ain't enough of them"? (see Kirata's multiple comments)

Of course, this begs the question ... if I had taken your position, and you had found the people, then you would have said that I had "lied". 

So ... would you classify your earlier comments as "a lie" or "being blind"?

Firm


You flat out made up as many people of color as you found. Now I've watched the silly little video twice and the point the media has made still stands, the racial makeup of these rallies is statistically significant in who is underrepresented.


Thats odd, I thought you had posted in another thread that people of color are not under represented in the tea party. I was giving you too much credit.

The fact is they arent under represented. 12% of the tea party is non-white. 20% of the US population self identifies as non-white. Since about 2/3 of those are black, and they traditionally are close to 90% Democrat you would expect at most 11% of the tea party to be non-white.

Well at least you abandon one myth about the tea party.

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/14/2010 2:39:05 PM   
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I could of course point out that you are, in your usual girly passive agressive way, calling me a liar and not even having the balls to do it in direct response to me. I could also point out that there is little I consider more cowardly and pathetic than a man being passive aggressive.

But then I'd be acting like you and I have more self respect than to do that.


aaaaaaaaahhh, did da big baaad Firmhand huwt yowr liddle feeeeelings? 

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