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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/17/2010 4:29:25 PM   
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I went to college with a guy from Sweden who worked at a nuclear plant and made great money. He learned the trade in Sweden and for whatever reason the plant management told him to get a "degree" although he knew more than anyone in the plant due to his outstanding education in Sweden.
I haven't run into too many Swedish janitors or lawn jockeys.
People who speak Swedish in the U.S. tend to cluster in higher paying professions.
It must be due to their superior education system in Sweden.
That goes for people who speak German and Dutch too.

The high salary was nothing to do with the fact that he'd been hired to work a specialist job at a nuclear plant, then. It was all down to the Swedish.
I think you might have missed the cause for the effect there by focussing on the wrong fact, mate.

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/17/2010 4:48:33 PM   
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I believe that the Tea Baggers are a farcical organization, kind of like people who re-enact the U.S. Civil War or the Renaissance.

That being said, I've gone to witness three of their rallies in Washington, DC, just to see what we're dealing with. Based on my observations of these gatherings, we are dealing with a group composed primarily of slightly off-kilter, completely right-of-center WHITE, CAUCASIAN, MIDDLE AGED people.

I am not saying they do not care about their country. I am not saying they are bad people. However, I am saying that they are almost unanamously white, middle class, and middle aged. Period. If they can't bring out the supposedly thousands of minorities that some on the board have suggested support them in rallies in the nation's capital of Washington, DC, then, when, exactly, do they plan to trot them out for the ever present media cameras? (Yes, I do blame the right wing media for this travesty of over attention to a fringe movement.)

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/17/2010 4:55:47 PM   
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Not too bad, I suppose, as sidesteps go.
But the fact remains that Americans are being required to learn a foreign language for a whole host of jobs because of, in large part, runaway (illegal) immigration. Many of us think that is wrong.

I'm betting you think it's Spanish.  The last I remember, the San Jose Unified school district had 73 different languages spoken by their students.  They were generally refugees and children of legal immigrants.

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/17/2010 4:57:24 PM   
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I went to college with a guy from Sweden who worked at a nuclear plant and made great money. He learned the trade in Sweden and for whatever reason the plant management told him to get a "degree" although he knew more than anyone in the plant due to his outstanding education in Sweden.
I haven't run into too many Swedish janitors or lawn jockeys.
People who speak Swedish in the U.S. tend to cluster in higher paying professions.
It must be due to their superior education system in Sweden.
That goes for people who speak German and Dutch too.

The high salary was nothing to do with the fact that he'd been hired to work a specialist job at a nuclear plant, then. It was all down to the Swedish.
I think you might have missed the cause for the effect there by focussing on the wrong fact, mate.


Moon, ok, and if you had one guess which foreign language in the U.S. would you say is clustered around low wage jobs?
(Hint; it's not Swedish.)
And, I think the U.S. should be more like Europe and teach languages in school.
I was impressed when I was in Ireland and most of the young people there spoke 3 or 4 languages.

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/17/2010 5:00:05 PM   
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That is just the way it works.


The way it is working is that America is becoming a Balkanied, forced-bilingual nation.
I oppose that.

Come to Ohio, no worries there.  Immigration is concentrated in 5 or 6 states.  Surely there are enough places to live that have no need to deal with immigrants of any sort.

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/17/2010 5:00:39 PM   
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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/17/2010 5:07:59 PM   
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popeye1250

I would think being able to speak Swedish would make one better money than being able to speak Spanish.

You don't live in California or Florida, do you?

And you do?

You don't need to live there to know that.

ps I have lived there, so I'm cheating!

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/17/2010 8:28:27 PM   
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Correct. Anyone pursuing higher education learns the lingo of their specialization. Obvious examples are Latin in law,

http://www.inrebus.com/legalmaxims_a.php


Greek and Latin in medicine,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_terminology


mathematical symbols used in mathematics, engineering, physics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_mathematical_symbols


and the dozens of computer languages

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Computer_languages

French and Italian in art, Italian for music, etc.

Monolingualism can be cured and learning other languages improves employment potential.





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Not too bad, I suppose, as sidesteps go.
But the fact remains that Americans are being required to learn a foreign language for a whole host of jobs because of, in large part, runaway (illegal) immigration. Many of us think that is wrong.


Having to learn a foreign language for your job is nothing new.  How many fields require Latin?  (Hint: there is a lot of them ~ history, medicine, chemistry, biology, geology, archeology, paleontology, et cetera)

There is a reason that foreign languages have been a requirement in high schools and colleges.  Especially if you look at liberal arts studies through the centuries. 

Furthermore, any field has its own jargon that a person must master. 



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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/18/2010 4:53:08 AM   
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Moon, ok, and if you had one guess which foreign language in the U.S. would you say is clustered around low wage jobs?
(Hint; it's not Swedish.)
And, I think the U.S. should be more like Europe and teach languages in school.
I was impressed when I was in Ireland and most of the young people there spoke 3 or 4 languages.

English, obviously. Despite all of the whining about immigrants stealing the unskilled jobs, there's still plenty of anglophones in low paying shitwork in the 'States.

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/18/2010 5:51:05 AM   
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I am not saying they do not care about their country. I am not saying they are bad people. However, I am saying that they are almost unanamously white, middle class, and middle aged. Period.


You left out paranoid.

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/18/2010 9:48:43 AM   
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I went to college with a guy from Sweden who worked at a nuclear plant and made great money. He learned the trade in Sweden and for whatever reason the plant management told him to get a "degree" although he knew more than anyone in the plant due to his outstanding education in Sweden.

Only senior reactor operators are required to have a BS in engineering, physical sciences, or engineering technology [something you could've found with a simple search].  Anyone with a foreign degree has to prove that it would meet US accreditation standards when it comes to government stuff according to places like the USGS. 

Commercially I know that we only accepted degrees from about 6 countries without proof that the degrees were equivalent to domestic ones.

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/18/2010 11:34:03 AM   
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I went to college with a guy from Sweden who worked at a nuclear plant and made great money. He learned the trade in Sweden and for whatever reason the plant management told him to get a "degree" although he knew more than anyone in the plant due to his outstanding education in Sweden.

Only senior reactor operators are required to have a BS in engineering, physical sciences, or engineering technology [something you could've found with a simple search].  Anyone with a foreign degree has to prove that it would meet US accreditation standards when it comes to government stuff according to places like the USGS. 

Commercially I know that we only accepted degrees from about 6 countries without proof that the degrees were equivalent to domestic ones.


A good point, actually: maybe if popeye was arguing that it's easier to take a Bsc in one of those left leaning social democracies up in Scandinavia, than it is in a country where the notion of federal education grants for smart kids to acquire a secondary education is an abhorrent commie nonsense, he might have a leg to stand on instead of just sounding ridiculous.

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/18/2010 1:51:16 PM   
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I went to college with a guy from Sweden who worked at a nuclear plant and made great money. He learned the trade in Sweden and for whatever reason the plant management told him to get a "degree" although he knew more than anyone in the plant due to his outstanding education in Sweden.

Only senior reactor operators are required to have a BS in engineering, physical sciences, or engineering technology [something you could've found with a simple search].  Anyone with a foreign degree has to prove that it would meet US accreditation standards when it comes to government stuff according to places like the USGS. 

Commercially I know that we only accepted degrees from about 6 countries without proof that the degrees were equivalent to domestic ones.




Thorn, I didn't go to Engineering school I went to Business school.
And given the state of education in the U.S. couldn't one argue that schools in Scandinavia are as good as, if not better than the schools in the U.S.?
That guy's English was much better than everyone's Swedish in the class, Tak.
The same or more so with Germany, "German Engineering" is the standard to which the world aspires. Did they make Werner Von Braun "take classes" at M.I.T? He could have taught there "right off the boat."

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/18/2010 5:06:43 PM   
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Not my point. How would speaking Swedish be a career plus anywhere in the 'States?


Maybe his secret dream is to make donuts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbs64GvGgPU


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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/18/2010 7:05:24 PM   
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Uhhhhhh......................what policies require that?


Social workers in Little Havana, among others.


But there are only Republicans in Little Havana. They dont speak frickin english, but they vote Republican.

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/18/2010 8:51:12 PM   
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I believe it is by 2042 white folk are supposedly going to be the minority when compared to "people of color."


This.

This is the underlying cause and motivating energy of the Tea party.

This is what they mean by "losing their America".
This is what they mean when they say the president is a foreigner with foreign ideas and foreign religion, an "anticolonial Kenyan."
This is what they mean when they wail about immigration- er. illegal immigration.
This is why Bill O'Reilly said that the "problem is, Hispanics have a higher birthrate than whites".
This is what they mean when they complain loudly about having to press 1 for English.
This is why when they targeted ACORN, they naturally chose the topic of pimps and hos.


They ARE losing their America, if it is understood that their America is one where white people control all the levers of power.

This is why working class whites vote Republican- they know on some level that the Wall Street bankers will screw them, but they feel more kinship and solidarity with white billionaire bankers than the black guy who works in the next cubicle.

Christopher Hitchens said it best when he described the Beck rally as the "Waterworld of white racial anxiety."

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/18/2010 9:09:54 PM   
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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/18/2010 9:14:38 PM   
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I wish that when the GOP puts a picture of a dark-skinned man on teevee and warns all the soccer moms that the Dems will release Willie Horton to rape their white asses, it wouldn't work.

I wish that when people say that the black President is a foreigner who worships a dangerous alien God, it wouldn't work.

I wish that when the conservative blogosphere starts pounding the tribal drums about how the President has a problem with white people, it wouldn't work.

But it does...the race card seems to have this neverending credit limit.

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/18/2010 9:21:59 PM   
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Havent you heard?

The Race Card is Maxed Out




Only you would take a sarcastic comedy sketch as meaning exactly the opposite of what was intended.

Oh, excuse me, you and Breitbart.

And the other conservatives that keep listening to this discredited fraud.

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RE: In Search of People of Color (at a "TEA party ... - 9/18/2010 9:24:13 PM   
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Not my point. How would speaking Swedish be a career plus anywhere in the 'States?


Maybe his secret dream is to make donuts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbs64GvGgPU



It could be up in the Dakota's or Minnesotta with their large Scandinavian populations.(especially if you wanted to run for public office!) Or with a company or banks that do business with Scandinavian countries.
Or maybe even working for the Pentagon as a liason officer to Scandinavian countries. Our military seems to have an affinity for those "Bofors" automatic guns that they make over there and they make some real state of the art jet fighters too, I forget the name of them right now.
I'm sure that there are more opportunities for people who speak Swedish.
Oh, years ago I read somewhere that the "language" and people who made the least money in the U.S. were the Vietnamese "Hmong."

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