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DarkSteven -> The Tea Party and the GOP (9/16/2010 4:54:03 AM)

I realize that technically the Tea Party candidates are running under the GOP moniker, but I have a hard time thinking of them as Republicans.  Once elected (and my guess is that two or three Tea Party candidates will get elected this cycle and more in the future), they will not vote in the GOP bloc in lockstep like the rest of the GOP pols.  Hell, even though they may benefit from GOP campaign contributions in the main election, they had to fight the GOP establishment money in the primaries.  They will be respnsive almost exclusively to the Tea Party agenda and groups.

This is weird.  It's like having a third party WITHIN the GOP.  I think that the closest we've ever had something like this before is when Independents like Lieberman would vote with a given party most of the time but not all.

It's going to be fascinating to see how they act once elected.  They'll have disproportionate influence, like Ben Nelson did on health care, by being the swing voters that make the GOP able to proceed or not.  There will be a huge rift within the GOP whether to give in to the Tea Party agenda in order to get those precious two or three votes, and risk losing its soul to do so.  After decades of being considered the conservative party, the GOP will find that it suddenly isn't conservative enough.

It's gonna be a wild ride.

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servantforuse -> RE: The Tea Party and the GOP (9/16/2010 5:13:18 AM)

Many believe that there isn't much difference betreen the two parties and in many cases I agree with that. I think that tea party canditates, if elected will change that. There are also democrats out there who are not pleased with this administration and will vote for tea party canditates.




Sanity -> RE: The Tea Party and the GOP (9/16/2010 5:21:18 AM)


In another thread

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

"The Tea Party is where the Republican party used to be, the Republicans are where the Democrats used to be and the Democrats are where the Soviets used to be."
LMAO!


And theres the thing. People dont like the direction  the country is headed, and party leaders from both sides are freaking out over the Tea Party successes.






truckinslave -> RE: The Tea Party and the GOP (9/16/2010 6:29:35 AM)

How differently would you expect Miller, Paul, Rubio, or O'Donnell to vote from McConnell or DeMint?

None of them vote with the Dems as often as, say, Castle...

I just expect them to swing the debate a little to the right, hold the feet of the weak sisters to the fire, and maybe, hopefully, raise some pluperfect hell if, say, Bill Ayers is nominated for SCOTUS




joether -> RE: The Tea Party and the GOP (9/16/2010 1:06:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
I realize that technically the Tea Party candidates are running under the GOP moniker, but I have a hard time thinking of them as Republicans.  Once elected (and my guess is that two or three Tea Party candidates will get elected this cycle and more in the future), they will not vote in the GOP bloc in lockstep like the rest of the GOP pols.  Hell, even though they may benefit from GOP campaign contributions in the main election, they had to fight the GOP establishment money in the primaries.  They will be respnsive almost exclusively to the Tea Party agenda and groups.

This is weird.  It's like having a third party WITHIN the GOP.  I think that the closest we've ever had something like this before is when Independents like Lieberman would vote with a given party most of the time but not all.

It's going to be fascinating to see how they act once elected.  They'll have disproportionate influence, like Ben Nelson did on health care, by being the swing voters that make the GOP able to proceed or not.  There will be a huge rift within the GOP whether to give in to the Tea Party agenda in order to get those precious two or three votes, and risk losing its soul to do so.  After decades of being considered the conservative party, the GOP will find that it suddenly isn't conservative enough.

It's gonna be a wild ride.

[sm=popcorn.gif]


Hey, pass the popcorn.....please!

As far as the elections are going, the following seems to be evidence among Tea Party Members:

A) If the race is between a Democrat or a Tea Party Canidate/Republican leaning towards the Tea Party. The Tea Party member will vote against the Democrat.

B) If the race is between a Democrat or a non-leaning Republican (meaning, someone against many concepts of the Tea Party); the Tea Party canidate will STILL vote Republican.

In this manner, it is hard to take the Tea Party seriously, as they are behaving exactly as a Republican would. If the race was between:

a) A Democrat (lets say he's the incumbent)
b) A Republican
C) A Tea Party

Well, as we often seen in pass elections, with three parties, the 3rd party often takes votes away from the 2nd place finisher. In this case, the Tea Party would be taking votes away from the Republican; thus allowing the Democrat to win. This has made the GOP quite nervous (and cave in), to supporting the Tea Party, even though it represents a very different idea(s) on goverment.

While in office, the Tea Party offical (now a Senator or Representative) is now accountable by EVERYONE in their area: Democrat, Republican, Tea Party, Moderate, and Unenrolled. That means, if they are not representing everyone of their area, it'll be hell for them to get relected 2-4 years later. I personally, believe, if they got in to office, would behave as a much more irratic 'Blue Dog Democrats' towards the GOP. I know two people in the state with Harry Reid who are usually Republican leaning, but are voting for Harry. They stated and I quote "We dont like him, but at least he is sane, educated, and doing some good for the state".

Likewise, the Tea Party member will not contribute at all to making the country better. They'll simply vote 'no' without even reading a single bill, party 'high on the hog', and generally make fools of themselves. After 2-4 years, if I'm right, most Republicans will have 'selectivily forgotton voting for them'. However, it is also possible, however unlikely, they will do alot of good for the US.




popeye1250 -> RE: The Tea Party and the GOP (9/16/2010 2:11:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

I realize that technically the Tea Party candidates are running under the GOP moniker, but I have a hard time thinking of them as Republicans.  Once elected (and my guess is that two or three Tea Party candidates will get elected this cycle and more in the future), they will not vote in the GOP bloc in lockstep like the rest of the GOP pols.  Hell, even though they may benefit from GOP campaign contributions in the main election, they had to fight the GOP establishment money in the primaries.  They will be respnsive almost exclusively to the Tea Party agenda and groups.

This is weird.  It's like having a third party WITHIN the GOP.  I think that the closest we've ever had something like this before is when Independents like Lieberman would vote with a given party most of the time but not all.

It's going to be fascinating to see how they act once elected.  They'll have disproportionate influence, like Ben Nelson did on health care, by being the swing voters that make the GOP able to proceed or not.  There will be a huge rift within the GOP whether to give in to the Tea Party agenda in order to get those precious two or three votes, and risk losing its soul to do so.  After decades of being considered the conservative party, the GOP will find that it suddenly isn't conservative enough.

It's gonna be a wild ride.

[sm=popcorn.gif]



Steven, agreed. It will be interesting to watch.
"Tokyo Rove" was badmouthing O'Donnell because she won't "knuckle under" to people like him and she shouldn't.
If elected she should vote the way her constituents want her to vote not some party hack like Rove.
Her competition isn't that bad, a Democratic Machine Appointee and bearded socialist who does what he's told to do by the party and doesn't want to make waves.
We need *new blood* in Washington not old retreads like Rove who try to tell others how to think and what to say.
Anytime "Washington" has to listen to "The People" that's a "good" thing!




mnottertail -> RE: The Tea Party and the GOP (9/16/2010 2:12:44 PM)

Steve, think of the teabaggers as Jerry Falwell or Joe McCarthy in drag.  You will instantly get the gimmick.




Moonhead -> RE: The Tea Party and the GOP (9/16/2010 2:18:39 PM)

O'Donnel was very good in A League Of Their Own and looked great in leather in Exit To Eden, but I'm not sure that really qualifies her for a political appointment.




Owner59 -> RE: The Tea Party and the GOP (9/16/2010 5:03:17 PM)

"This is weird.It's like having a third party WITHIN the GOP"

Not really.

The "conservative movement" as it`s called has been slowly taking over the GOP.Not in seats or elected positions but in media influence(where advert sales trump the real world).

If you`re a wonk this isn`t news.

If you`re a republican activist,this is your dirty little secret.

The normal middle road republicans(see principled) and the neo-cons (see anything goes) are vying for control.They are trying to fight as quietly as possible and poo poo any suggestion that the party is falling apart but it`s ugly.

To the extremists,middle of the roaders are called RINOs.Even tho the assholes using term have never won an election,as if they knew anything about it.

To the outsider,this isn`t interesting.

To dems who follow this shit, it`s awesomely interesting.






Elisabella -> RE: The Tea Party and the GOP (9/16/2010 5:19:23 PM)

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-september-9-2010/meghan-mccain

She giggles a lot but I really want to read her book now.




popeye1250 -> RE: The Tea Party and the GOP (9/16/2010 5:39:30 PM)

It looks to me like the "Tea Party" is going to punish "both" parties.




Elisabella -> RE: The Tea Party and the GOP (9/16/2010 5:44:36 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

It looks to me like the "Tea Party" is going to punish "both" parties.


As well as the rest of the country.




Owner59 -> RE: The Tea Party and the GOP (9/16/2010 5:49:32 PM)

Giggly yes but well spoken.


I like her.


Which means just about every con here doesn`t.......[:D]




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