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Aneirin -> Paranoia ? (9/18/2010 6:46:08 AM)

Paranoia

From that font of all knowledge Wikipedia ;

Paranoia is a thought process heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs concerning a perceived threat towards oneself. Historically, this characterization was used to describe any delusional state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia

Now although I do wander there sometimes myself, it has come to my attention that this forum in particular shows a fair few others who display characteristics of paranoia, so I have to ask myself just what is it about politics and religion that causes this, What is it about P&R, which is basically the same thing that incites what I would suspect as normal rounded people to become so lairy.

Of the wikipedia description of paranoia above I will outline two words I find synonymous with this forum. Those words are Fear and irrationality what comes from those two words is also contained in the description, but it is here, on this forum, why ?

I do understand there is much fear in the world, personal fear from what people have perceived for themselves and fear created by others, but why, why do we feel so much fear ?

What is happening to this world we live in, is it that people have discovered fear is a useful tool to use where it is necessary to gain the upper hand and of those that use fear as a weapon, who are they, the enemy ?

But who or what is the enemy ?

Ourselves ?

If ourselves, do we just need to re examine ourselves from time to time and see where we are heading, are we using our own thought process or the process of another, are we being brainwashed by those who seek to control.

Let's just take the recent war of words over the proposed cultural centre that was said to be being built a couple of blocks away from ground zero, the original story I believe, what happened to the story, it became a mosque built on ground zero, the facts were modified to create a response, undoubtedly to set off that age old tool of control fear

Who or what is using that ancient tool and why ?

Again, who are the enemy ?

Now some have identified us Brits like to tangle in American political affairs, some believe we have no right, but hey, this is an international website open to all, so when a question is asked, similarly, it is open to all, but from this particular oddball Brit, I am seeing and saying the US in particular appears to have become largely a paranoid society, many are being manipulated to forge a response, a response that feeds those that seek to control a situation. It agues me to see what used to be considered a pretty easy going nation to become what it has, a country steeped in fear, suspicion and paranoia. Have any of you ever considered you are being had, used for whatever aim ?

Me, I have learned to suspect authority and so rely on my own thoughts to a situation, not others.





TheHeretic -> RE: Paranoia ? (9/18/2010 7:33:09 AM)

It's the 21st Century, Aneirin. If you aren't at least a little bit paranoid, you aren't paying attention.




rulemylife -> RE: Paranoia ? (9/18/2010 7:38:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

It's the 21st Century, Aneirin. If you aren't at least a little bit paranoid, you aren't paying attention.


I know what you mean.

I usually look under my bed every morning and then check my closets to see if there are any socialists hiding there.




mnottertail -> RE: Paranoia ? (9/18/2010 7:40:30 AM)

I only drink white tea, so as not to become involved with the 'green party'.  And black tea?  Forget it.




rulemylife -> RE: Paranoia ? (9/18/2010 7:53:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I only drink white tea, so as not to become involved with the 'green party'.  And black tea?  Forget it.


As lomg as it's not tea from China.

'Cause no real 'merican would buy anything from those commies.

Just ask your average Wal-Mart shopper.




Aneirin -> RE: Paranoia ? (9/18/2010 7:57:30 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

It's the 21st Century, Aneirin. If you aren't at least a little bit paranoid, you aren't paying attention.


Nope, although I can be at times prone to paranoia, I am aware of it and do check myself from time to time, the warning signs are familiar, but as to the paranoia inherent in the twenty first century, I have my own views which work for me and so try to keep out of the things that raise my blood pressure , as it serves no purpose to my life.

Perhaps the only paranoia I can describe at the moment is partly I believe due to my current line of academic study, the role of the media in the control of people, for I believe much of what makes us paranoid is the stories told around stories and in particular the modern use and abuse of evocative electronic imagery in media.




thishereboi -> RE: Paranoia ? (9/18/2010 12:26:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I only drink white tea, so as not to become involved with the 'green party'.  And black tea?  Forget it.


As lomg as it's not tea from China.

'Cause no real 'merican would buy anything from those commies.

Just ask your average Wal-Mart shopper.


If you're not drinking Twinings, you're not drinking tea[:)]




Vendaval -> RE: Paranoia ? (9/18/2010 12:29:38 PM)

Avoid the bagged tea and stick to the tea balls! [:D]


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I only drink white tea, so as not to become involved with the 'green party'.  And black tea?  Forget it.





PeanutTigerinBox -> RE: Paranoia ? (9/18/2010 12:48:48 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Avoid the bagged tea and stick to the tea balls! [:D]


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I only drink white tea, so as not to become involved with the 'green party'.  And black tea?  Forget it.




nah, go outside, pluck your own leaves, brew them and enjoy it as tea [:)]




Kirata -> RE: Paranoia ? (9/18/2010 12:50:18 PM)

The most salient feature of paranoid symptomatology is the projection onto others of disavowed contents of the self.

If that helps? [:D]

K.




Arpig -> RE: Paranoia ? (9/18/2010 2:08:51 PM)

Speaking as a certified paranoid (I have the papers to prove it)...In the words of Steve Earle: "Just because you ain't paranoid don't mean they ain't out to get you." [:)]




Moonhead -> RE: Paranoia ? (9/18/2010 2:48:50 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I only drink white tea, so as not to become involved with the 'green party'.  And black tea?  Forget it.


As lomg as it's not tea from China.

'Cause no real 'merican would buy anything from those commies.

Just ask your average Wal-Mart shopper.

Funny you should say that: didn't the emphasis on coffee in the Americas start when it was deemed unpatriotic to be buying tea imported by british trading companies?




Moonhead -> RE: Paranoia ? (9/18/2010 2:50:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

Speaking as a certified paranoid (I have the papers to prove it)...In the words of Steve Earle: "Just because you ain't paranoid don't mean they ain't out to get you." [:)]

Didn't Earle take that line from Poly Styrene out of X ray Spex? It's been around for a while.
I know William Burroughs defined a paranoid as "Somebody in full possession of the facts," back in the '60s.




Termyn8or -> RE: Paranoia ? (9/18/2010 6:52:14 PM)

Some degree of paranoia is not really irrational. Crime is on the rise and everybody really is out to get you. Not to harm you so much but they want your money and valuables. (note the purposeful omission of the word other) You have to scrutinize every utility bll, grocery reciept, everything.

And why do you lock your doors ? People used to leave doors unlocked, some for air, others because a friend in need might come by and have to wake them in the middle of the night. I used to only lock my doors for a session or doing some other wacky shit. Things have changed. Termy's Terminal is closed for business now, I have lost too much including a nice laptop, many tools, my only working DVD player, every last dollar in my wallet as I slept and who knows what else.

That kind of paranoia is rational. Now, to get rid of the rest of the paranoia is simple, prepare to die, I have. You stick a gun to my head my words will be "Well, you gonna shoot me or stand there looking like an asshole ?". Once you get past that, the paranoia is gone. The only thing that remains is to keep the MFs from taking your shit. If you are dead you don't care.

With an attitude like that, you will find peace.

T




Aneirin -> RE: Paranoia ? (9/18/2010 7:03:48 PM)

I have been there through criminal actions, in fact according to the medics I died, my injuries were that bad, the result is I no longer fear death for it is in my experience. At this moment I can honestly say I have no paranoia towards anything that is happening in the world as far as myself is concerned. If I concern myself with the world, then it is the media who I fear for they make mountains out of mole hills to get the money.

If anyone even thought to rob me of my things, well they will be very disappointed for nothing I own is worth anything to anyone as far as stolen property resale values are concerned, for I search old out of date stuff to fulfill my needs.




LaTigresse -> RE: Paranoia ? (9/19/2010 6:56:20 AM)

Aneirin, it's funny that you should create this thread at this time.

The other day, I began thinking a long a line I began then mentally shelved before. Something a long the line of 'what causes people to be drawn to the political beliefs/parties they support?'. Earlier this week there was several comments made by my family members on Facebook (that is how my spread out family stays in touch). One was political and the other religious. I did not agree with their comments and provided another thought process. One person got extremely upset (the political conservative) and the other accused me of being "always so negative". In neither case was I being negative or snarky. Simply pointing out that there are other ways to see things that do not necessarily agree with theirs and yet, are not wrong. The problem, in both cases, is that I was talking to two people who's opinions are entirely emotional and neither one is based upon fact. Not to mention gross blanket statement about 'all' in one.

The irrational reaction of both family members reminded me of the thought process I began awhile back regarding political parties. At some point I wondered what drew the religious conservative towards the far right and how that political party began to identify so strongly with them.

I've come to the conclusion, based upon my own people watching, that the christian religioun and the political conservative right have very similar ideology that is almost always fear based. Both have power structures that keep people in line with fear based rhetoric and both use that rhetoric and fear to hide/divert attention away from the actions of the meglomaniacs in control. To divert attention from the fact that very few actually gain any benefit, except the power brokers. Both use fear to keep the masses in line and from questioning their actions and power. Hell, both even uses complicated words, in text and spoken form, to twist and confuse.

The church.....you are a sinner if you question. The conservative right.........you are anti American!

The ideologies and methods of control are so powerful, so controlling, and because they work off one of our most deeply based emotions, fear, it will continue to work magnificently. It's the ultimate sales pitch.

Believe or you will be.................




Hippiekinkster -> RE: Paranoia ? (9/19/2010 7:21:06 AM)

For LaTigresse:
Terror Management theory
Cognitive Dissonance




LaTigresse -> RE: Paranoia ? (9/19/2010 8:00:08 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

For LaTigresse:
Terror Management theory
Cognitive Dissonance




Thank you. The studies help clarify what I suspected. All of which helps me to understand some of the religious conservatives I know and love.




Aneirin -> RE: Paranoia ? (9/19/2010 8:15:20 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Aneirin, it's funny that you should create this thread at this time.

The other day, I began thinking a long a line I began then mentally shelved before. Something a long the line of 'what causes people to be drawn to the political beliefs/parties they support?'. Earlier this week there was several comments made by my family members on Facebook (that is how my spread out family stays in touch). One was political and the other religious. I did not agree with their comments and provided another thought process. One person got extremely upset (the political conservative) and the other accused me of being "always so negative". In neither case was I being negative or snarky. Simply pointing out that there are other ways to see things that do not necessarily agree with theirs and yet, are not wrong. The problem, in both cases, is that I was talking to two people who's opinions are entirely emotional and neither one is based upon fact. Not to mention gross blanket statement about 'all' in one.

The irrational reaction of both family members reminded me of the thought process I began awhile back regarding political parties. At some point I wondered what drew the religious conservative towards the far right and how that political party began to identify so strongly with them.

I've come to the conclusion, based upon my own people watching, that the christian religioun and the political conservative right have very similar ideology that is almost always fear based. Both have power structures that keep people in line with fear based rhetoric and both use that rhetoric and fear to hide/divert attention away from the actions of the meglomaniacs in control. To divert attention from the fact that very few actually gain any benefit, except the power brokers. Both use fear to keep the masses in line and from questioning their actions and power. Hell, both even uses complicated words, in text and spoken form, to twist and confuse.

The church.....you are a sinner if you question. The conservative right.........you are anti American!

The ideologies and methods of control are so powerful, so controlling, and because they work off one of our most deeply based emotions, fear, it will continue to work magnificently. It's the ultimate sales pitch.

Believe or you will be.................


Yep, you got it, for I also have seen this with American politics, the sad fact being politics and religion are deeply entwined with Americans, can you ever see clearly if the way ahead is muddied by a separate science, but then I suppose Religion, i.e. organised belief is politics, and both deal with subjects that are quite possibly lies.




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