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RE: GOP= Confederate Party - 9/21/2010 7:16:53 AM   
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Well in the arugment phase I think you are supposed to postulate things with actual facts in them rather than blowing hot air. That is, if we are doing LD rules. I think if you go back and look at white voter turnout in the 1968 election you will see that whites either voted for Wallace or Nixon. Humphrey didn't get much of that vote. The "southern strategy" was big on States Rights which of course South Carolina used to try and secede from the Union. And, I am sure you are bright enough to figure who Wallace was representing at the time. So unless you are postulating that Blacks and Liberal whites in the south were part of a Confederate Party then you are patently wrong....

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RE: GOP= Confederate Party - 9/21/2010 2:01:43 PM   
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Greetings.....

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

Well in the arugment phase I think you are supposed to postulate things with actual facts in them rather than blowing hot air. That is, if we are doing LD rules. I think if you go back and look at white voter turnout in the 1968 election you will see that whites either voted for Wallace or Nixon. Humphrey didn't get much of that vote. The "southern strategy" was big on States Rights which of course South Carolina used to try and secede from the Union. And, I am sure you are bright enough to figure who Wallace was representing at the time. So unless you are postulating that Blacks and Liberal whites in the south were part of a Confederate Party then you are patently wrong....


Wallace was a lifelong Democrat. I don't think anyone is going to argue that point. So was Hubert Humphey (whom I met once while he was on campaign and used to have his autograph). I liked Humphrey better than Wallace and I did vote in those elections. I don't recall any major movements saying that Nixon was a racist. A number of other things, yes, racist, no. I am sure someone did, but it has been a long while and I am not interested in going off and looking it up.

Nixon won against Humphrey as much as a backlash against Johnson as a shift to the right by the general electorate. He beat McGovern because McGovern really did exemplify the loony left. Remember, McGovern only won one state and it wasn't his own. He really was that bad. The other thing you are too young to remember is that both political parties in the 50's and 60's would seem somewhere around where the Tea Party is today or to the right of them. Humphrey was very liberal in his day and would be considered either a Republican moderate or maybe a small bit to the left of a blue dog Democrat today. Those descriptions vary a bit on individual policies and are just a generalization.

So....that still doesn't change the fact that the party which is the true, unbroken descendant of the Confederates is the Democratic party. Historically the Republican party was the party of the north and the Union. The fact that individuals switched parties when they didn't like where their current party was going doesn't change that.

Be well....

Malkinius


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RE: GOP= Confederate Party - 9/21/2010 2:07:32 PM   
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well, a couple thousand years ago, christ was only a corporal, now he owns the company.

what was, was, and what is, is....

David Duke a republican.  I mean there are exceptions all over and both ways.

The current perception is what is on the cart, and folks usually sell whats on the cart.

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RE: GOP= Confederate Party - 9/21/2010 2:24:12 PM   
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Let's also not forget the late Ted Kennedy publically calling an African American woman a gorilla


Link please... I looked and could find nothing on this

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RE: GOP= Confederate Party - 9/21/2010 3:26:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Malkinius

Greetings.....

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

Well in the arugment phase I think you are supposed to postulate things with actual facts in them rather than blowing hot air. That is, if we are doing LD rules. I think if you go back and look at white voter turnout in the 1968 election you will see that whites either voted for Wallace or Nixon. Humphrey didn't get much of that vote. The "southern strategy" was big on States Rights which of course South Carolina used to try and secede from the Union. And, I am sure you are bright enough to figure who Wallace was representing at the time. So unless you are postulating that Blacks and Liberal whites in the south were part of a Confederate Party then you are patently wrong....


Wallace was a lifelong Democrat. I don't think anyone is going to argue that point. So was Hubert Humphey (whom I met once while he was on campaign and used to have his autograph). I liked Humphrey better than Wallace and I did vote in those elections. I don't recall any major movements saying that Nixon was a racist. A number of other things, yes, racist, no. I am sure someone did, but it has been a long while and I am not interested in going off and looking it up.

Nixon won against Humphrey as much as a backlash against Johnson as a shift to the right by the general electorate. He beat McGovern because McGovern really did exemplify the loony left. Remember, McGovern only won one state and it wasn't his own. He really was that bad. The other thing you are too young to remember is that both political parties in the 50's and 60's would seem somewhere around where the Tea Party is today or to the right of them. Humphrey was very liberal in his day and would be considered either a Republican moderate or maybe a small bit to the left of a blue dog Democrat today. Those descriptions vary a bit on individual policies and are just a generalization.

So....that still doesn't change the fact that the party which is the true, unbroken descendant of the Confederates is the Democratic party. Historically the Republican party was the party of the north and the Union. The fact that individuals switched parties when they didn't like where their current party was going doesn't change that.

Be well....

Malkinius



You seem to always miss the point of the OP. AR is talking of today and how the Conferedates are the republican party of today. Of that there can be no argument. If you are simply postulating that they were once democrats no one has an issue with that. I suggest you re-read what was written and come back for another try.

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