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FirmhandKY -> "The media is going to help the Democratic Party's national messaging ..." (9/19/2010 12:15:16 PM)


An Epic End to the Primaries: What It Means
Sep 15 2010, 8:55 AM ET
Marc Ambinder

Republicans -- would you like some decaf with that Tea?

Amid the celebrations and recriminations, here are a few different ways to look at the primaries of September 14, 2010:

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7. The media is going to help the Democratic Party's national messaging, which is that the GOP is a party full of Christine O'Donnells, a party that wants to take away your Social Security and your right to masturbate. Well, maybe not that last part, but then again, the implicit message of the party is that the GOP is about to elect a slate of hard social rightists to Congress. 



Article written by:

Marc Ambinder - Marc Ambinder is the politics editor of The Atlantic. He has covered Washington for ABC News and the Hotline, and he is chief political consultant to CBS News.

So, what does Ambinder mean by the highlighted phrase above?  What does it reveal (if anything) about the medi he is referencing?

Firm





rulemylife -> RE: "The media is going to help the Democratic Party's national messaging ..." (9/19/2010 12:26:35 PM)

Congratulations Firm!

That was the most amazing example of cherry-picking an article I have ever seen.

Points 1 through 6 were the opposite of your intended message so you simply ignored them.




Jeffff -> RE: "The media is going to help the Democratic Party's national messaging ..." (9/19/2010 12:29:17 PM)

Here are ALL the points.

1. The Republican base has repeatedly, when given the opportunity, declared its divorce from the party leaders in Washington. This is a significant problem for Messieurs Boehner and Cantor and McConnell, who, with every step, seem to be generating more and more ire. (Or, they're doing nothing, and ire continues to be generated from the group psychodynamics of the Tea Party movement.) The O'Donnell victory will change how Republicans in Washington respond to Democratic overtures between now and election, and it will almost certainly change the way that Republicans set their agenda if they win the House back.

2. Leadership elections! As Michael Steele once said, "Can you smell it?" Speaking of Steele -- no Republican establishment candidate is going to have an easy time becoming the next RNC chairman.

3. I understand why some Republicans are trying to point out that Democrats are "crazy" too by noting how they re-nominated Rep. Charles Rangel in NY 15 and kicked out reformist mayor Adrian Fenty in Washington. That dog won't hunt. Yes, Democratic primary voters are showing streaks of independence, but these two votes had nothing to do with the party itself. Anyone following the Gray-Fenty race and who took a gander at the Rangel-Clayton Powell race aren't surprised.

4. The biggest casualty of the night, from the standpoint of Democrats, may be well Michelle Rhee's teacher accountability reforms in Washington. They need a few more years to marinate, but new DC mayor Vincent Gray has opposed them. Rhee might be looking for a new job. To the extent that DC politics can effect the national education debate, the White House wishes that Fenty had overcome his arrogance/charisma gap and won.

5. Chuck Todd said it first, but it's worth repeating: the GOP primary race for 2012 has shifted to the right. Newt Gingrich, who, way back when, opposed nominating Doug Hoffman in New York's 23rd congressional district because it wasn't prudent, unleashed a series of Tweets this morning that could have been written by Hoffman himself, responding to the torrent of complaints by Republicans in Washington.

"There will be an all out effort to discredit christine odonnell in delaware just as there was to discredit sharon angle in nevada," he wrote. Yes. "The elite media wants to declare her unelectable." No. Republicans IN Delaware, a lot of them, and a lot of smart insurgent GOPers, believe she's unelectable. But that's besides the point. Gingrich is making a play for these voters in 2012. He's shifting with the winds.

6. Expect an uptick in Democratic enthusiasm and expect several significant races to tighten. People tend to make judgments through the lens of the last major event. If Democrats interpret last night to mean that radical Republicans are threatening to take control, they're going to be more receptive to the basic party message.

7. The media is going to help the Democratic Party's national messaging, which is that the GOP is a party full of Christine O'Donnells, a party that wants to take away your Social Security and your right to masturbate. Well, maybe not that last part, but then again, the implicit message of the party is that the GOP is about to elect a slate of hard social rightists to Congress.




TheHeretic -> RE: "The media is going to help the Democratic Party's national messaging ..." (9/19/2010 12:39:12 PM)

So start six other threads, Jeff. The media role in an election cycle, and in our politics, is plenty deserving of it's very own discussion.

Firm's snip also illustrates the stated Dem strategy of focusing on the politics of personal destruction, and tagging every challenger as an extremist.




popeye1250 -> RE: "The media is going to help the Democratic Party's national messaging ..." (9/19/2010 12:40:10 PM)

So "The Media" is going to help the Democrats now?
What, they're going to have a "News blackout?"




Jeffff -> RE: "The media is going to help the Democratic Party's national messaging ..." (9/19/2010 12:44:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

So start six other threads, Jeff. The media role in an election cycle, and in our politics, is plenty deserving of it's very own discussion.

Firm's snip also illustrates the stated Dem strategy of focusing on the politics of personal destruction, and tagging every challenger as an extremist.


As opposed to Karl Rove's strategy?

The shame is the lack of facts about issues being reported.

By everyone.





rulemylife -> RE: "The media is going to help the Democratic Party's national messaging ..." (9/19/2010 12:44:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Firm's snip also illustrates the stated Dem strategy of focusing on the politics of personal destruction, and tagging every challenger as an extremist.


The Dem strategy of tagging opponents as extremists?

Are you kidding?

Which party has for years been accusing the other of "being out of the mainstream"?




FirmhandKY -> RE: "The media is going to help the Democratic Party's national messaging ..." (9/19/2010 1:18:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Which party has for years been accusing the other of "being out of the mainstream"?


Democrats.

Firm




FirmhandKY -> RE: "The media is going to help the Democratic Party's national messaging ..." (9/19/2010 1:20:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Here are ALL the points.

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It's illegal and against copyright to post an entire article.

Which is why I gave a link.

Not, as you instantly assume, because I'm trying to hide something.

Your bias is showing.

Firm




FirmhandKY -> RE: "The media is going to help the Democratic Party's national messaging ..." (9/19/2010 1:22:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Congratulations Firm!

That was the most amazing example of cherry-picking an article I have ever seen.

Points 1 through 6 were the opposite of your intended message so you simply ignored them.



See my above post to Jefff.

(You guys will look for any reason not to actual address the topic, won'tcha? Deflection, deflection, deflection.  Then insult.)

Firm




FirmhandKY -> RE: "The media is going to help the Democratic Party's national messaging ..." (9/19/2010 1:24:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Points 1 through 6 were the opposite of your intended message so you simply ignored them.


And this is utter horse hockey.

Firm




Moonhead -> RE: "The media is going to help the Democratic Party's national messaging ..." (9/19/2010 1:25:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
It's illegal and against copyright to post an entire article.

Ever heard of fair use?




FirmhandKY -> RE: "The media is going to help the Democratic Party's national messaging ..." (9/19/2010 1:27:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
It's illegal and against copyright to post an entire article.

Ever heard of fair use?

Sure. 

Do you have any understanding of what it actually means?

Posting an entire article is rarely "fair use".

Look it up.

Firm




popeye1250 -> RE: "The media is going to help the Democratic Party's national messaging ..." (9/19/2010 1:29:41 PM)

Imagine being a Reporter and having your Editor tell you to go out and get a story about the Democratic candidates?
You start calling the Networks to see what they have on them.
"Democrats?" "Democrats who?"
"Democrats? Never heard of them!"
"Democrats? Aren't they some sort of sorority?"




Moonhead -> RE: "The media is going to help the Democratic Party's national messaging ..." (9/19/2010 1:38:24 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
It's illegal and against copyright to post an entire article.

Ever heard of fair use?

Sure. 

Do you have any understanding of what it actually means?

Posting an entire article is rarely "fair use".

Look it up.

Firm


A better understanding than you do, it seems. You've cited your source and credited the author. If anybody was very likely to prosecute for cutting and pasting something that's freely available on the internet (which they're not, as a rule) your arse would still be covered.




FirmhandKY -> RE: "The media is going to help the Democratic Party's national messaging ..." (9/19/2010 1:53:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

A better understanding than you do, it seems. You've cited your source and credited the author. If anybody was very likely to prosecute for cutting and pasting something that's freely available on the internet (which they're not, as a rule) your arse would still be covered.


uhhh... so I post in pretty good accordance with "fair use" guidelines ... you admit it ... so what is your problem, exactly, Moonhead?

Firm




FirmhandKY -> RE: "The media is going to help the Democratic Party's national messaging ..." (9/19/2010 1:55:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

A better understanding than you do, it seems. You've cited your source and credited the author. If anybody was very likely to prosecute for cutting and pasting something that's freely available on the internet (which they're not, as a rule) your arse would still be covered.


uhhh... so I post in pretty good accordance with "fair use" guidelines ... you admit it ... so what is your problem, exactly, Moonhead?


Never mind.  For a minute, I didn't remember that you have no interest in actually addressing the topic, only in deflection.

Firm




DomKen -> RE: "The media is going to help the Democratic Party's national messaging ..." (9/19/2010 3:40:12 PM)

So let's actually discuss the subject.

Is O'Donnell an extremist? Yes. She's been around the extreme religious right/social conservative movement for years.
Is Angle an extremist? Yes. She's been around the extreme religious right/social conservative movement for years.

Are there others running under the tea party banner that are as well? Yes.

Consider the "Liar for Christ" who is the self declared Tea Party candidate who won the republican nomination for the Delaware House seat. Glen Urquhat. Here's the guy simply making up stuff about the founding precepts of this nation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kh4xhem8tM&feature=player_embedded
For anyone who doubts if the phrase "seperation of church and state" does appear in the letter here's the letter:
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/jefferson_dba.html

So is tea party crazy just constrained to Delaware and Nevada? Sorry to say that no its spread nationwide. Here's a screed by a Washington state state house candidate warning of the convention of those radicals, the Girl Scouts.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php/index.php?pageId=32232

The media would be criminally negligent not to point out these candidates' published and publicly stated views.




FirmhandKY -> RE: "The media is going to help the Democratic Party's national messaging ..." (9/19/2010 4:30:16 PM)

So, media outlets helping get out the Democratic "party-line" is ok by you?

Why doesn't that surprise me?

Firm




DomKen -> RE: "The media is going to help the Democratic Party's national messaging ..." (9/19/2010 4:46:32 PM)

So the media should simply ignore the facts because of accusations of bias by right wingers?

It is funny that you think reporting the truth about Republican candidates will help the Democrats. Maybe you should consider what that has to say about you and those you support.





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