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MasterCord -> The Obama Hypocracy Continues... (9/20/2010 7:56:04 AM)

This came across my email this morning from an international offshore industry newsletter...and indeed, it is true.

Thankfully Mr. Obama is only weeks from becoming permanently politically impotent....

"Despite President Obama's moratorium on U.S. deepwater drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, the U.S. Export-Import Bank intends to guarantee $1b in loans to PEMEX, the Mexican state oil company, to bolster the company's offshore oil drilling activities in the region. The bank, which is the official American export credit agency, loaned more than $1b to PEMEX in 2009 -- when the company was the bank's largest borrower -- in support of its drilling activities."

So, either Mr. Obama sees Mexican coastlines as more acceptable places to deposit oil after a spill (......all oil drilling is so unsafe we have to ban it here....to "study" it more...but let the Mexicans mess up their shore...)......or....he'd rather see the Mexican economy bolstered than the one he is supposedly responsible for.....namely....ours. (...offshore drilling is good business with great technical and business benefits, good paying jobs , discovery of more oil and all manner of supporting jobs created...so we want Mexico to prosper. Of course we do not want bad, bad, America to prosper.....not while we're trying to make its' people a bunch of mindless government-dependent minions....)

November cannot come fast enough.....

MC



DomYngBlk -> RE: The Obama Hypocracy Continues... (9/20/2010 8:11:42 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterCord

This came across my email this morning from an international offshore industry newsletter...and indeed, it is true.

Thankfully Mr. Obama is only weeks from becoming permanently politically impotent....

"Despite President Obama's moratorium on U.S. deepwater drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, the U.S. Export-Import Bank intends to guarantee $1b in loans to PEMEX, the Mexican state oil company, to bolster the company's offshore oil drilling activities in the region. The bank, which is the official American export credit agency, loaned more than $1b to PEMEX in 2009 -- when the company was the bank's largest borrower -- in support of its drilling activities."

So, either Mr. Obama sees Mexican coastlines as more acceptable places to deposit oil after a spill (......all oil drilling is so unsafe we have to ban it here....to "study" it more...but let the Mexicans mess up their shore...)......or....he'd rather see the Mexican economy bolstered than the one he is supposedly responsible for.....namely....ours. (...offshore drilling is good business with great technical and business benefits, good paying jobs , discovery of more oil and all manner of supporting jobs created...so we want Mexico to prosper. Of course we do not want bad, bad, America to prosper.....not while we're trying to make its' people a bunch of mindless government-dependent minions....)

November cannot come fast enough.....

MC


Just to help you out I am posting the whole article from the Ex-Im. Might help in your understanding that doing this is HELPING American business. If republicans don't want to do it , well that would make sense because they are certainly as anti business as a party could possibly get.

http://www.exim.gov/pressrelease.cfm/D89347BA-EAAC-F210-E74E87239B14CAF0/



mnottertail -> RE: The Obama Hypocracy Continues... (9/20/2010 8:12:11 AM)

morons who can't spell hypocrisy shouldn't use it in a sentence.

So, the US ie bank loans money in 2009 and then subsequently we have an oil spill in 2010.

And the 'hypocrasy' is where?  



jlf1961 -> RE: The Obama Hypocracy Continues... (9/20/2010 8:14:24 AM)

IF you would have done any kind of research you would have discovered that 4 out of 5 oil fields in Mexico are offshore. IN FACT, all of Mexico's PRODUCING oil fields are OFFSHORE.

The Chicontepec Basin is a petroleum system in Mexico located north-east of Mexico City, covering an area of around 3,800 km² in the states of Veracruz, Puebla and Hidalgo. Several oil fields have been discovered in that area since 1926. A major field was discovered in 1973 but contains extra heavy crude, which due to special refining needs is considered unviable at this time. Since that time, tiny amounts of oil have been produced.

By the way, another point you may want to check out.

The Moratorium on drilling is on DEEPWATER drilling. You know, in water more than 1000 feet deep. As has been proven with the recent spill in the gulf, there is really no adequate way to deal with a blow out that deep.

Of course, please do not let the facts stand in the way of right wing spin.



joether -> RE: The Obama Hypocracy Continues... (9/20/2010 8:54:36 AM)

Seems DomYngBlk, mnottertail, and jlf1961, would have pointed out a few things I would have, let me just say this:

Your taking an 'international offshore industry newsletter', but do not give the SOURCE. For all I know, you made it up:

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterCord
"Despite President Obama's moratorium on U.S. deepwater drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, the U.S. Export-Import Bank intends to guarantee $1b in loans to PEMEX, the Mexican state oil company, to bolster the company's offshore oil drilling activities in the region. The bank, which is the official American export credit agency, loaned more than $1b to PEMEX in 2009 -- when the company was the bank's largest borrower -- in support of its drilling activities."


Let me give you an example of how dangerous this 'mode of reasoning' is:

"Despite the claims Sarah Palin has made previously, she really is related to a monkey's uncle! Likewise, most members of the Tea Party have tested positive to the 'stupid gene' recently uncovered at a university in Europe. It seems this 'stupid gene' has grown, much like cancer in those who do not get healthy does of 'reality' in to their bloodstream"

Oh, it came from some 'international super genetics industry newsletter' I found recently.

The point is, that unless you give the the source, its easy to dismiss your arguement. Given that your arguement is best summed up as 'heavily bias towards Republicans/Tea Party', it isn't to hard of a guess, your 'source' is also heavily bias.

A source, is one that anyone can examine for facts and credibility. It does not have to be accessible on the web, if its in print form, but does help your arguement. Simply goggling 'Quoting Sources and Refrences', to get the basic idea. Given the amount of lies, misinformation, and inaccurate details, on such a regular basis from the Republican Party/Tea Party; its fair to say, most liberals and moderates, dont take what a conservative states at face value anymore. Hence, the need to produce the source, to which your quoting.




tazzygirl -> RE: The Obama Hypocracy Continues... (9/20/2010 8:59:36 AM)

This came from Fox News

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/11/backs-b-loan-mexico-oil-drilling-despite-obama-moratorium/print?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter



rulemylife -> RE: The Obama Hypocracy Continues... (9/20/2010 9:21:55 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

This came from Fox News

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/11/backs-b-loan-mexico-oil-drilling-despite-obama-moratorium/print?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


How surprising.

The one thing Mastercard left out is what was stated in your link:

The $1 billion deal is awaiting approval by the bank's board, which is expected to reach a final decision by Sept. 30, the end of the fiscal year. Because the bank is an independent agency, the deal is not subject to congressional approval.

Which makes Obama's involvement in the decision non-existent.



VISA





mnottertail -> RE: The Obama Hypocracy Continues... (9/20/2010 9:35:55 AM)

Why are so many on the right so misinformed and ignorantly unaware of facts?

Do you think it wise to create a worldview devoid of fact?

Now, I will say there is a couple, Merc (though I think hes pissed off and over at fet, dont come here any more), Firm, and to a lesser degree, Rich.....but thats about it.

Other than that---absolutely everything is without foundation or consideration. 



slvemike4u -> RE: The Obama Hypocracy Continues... (9/20/2010 10:10:21 AM)

Short answer.....Ignorance is bliss [8|]
And they are blissful.



Lucylastic -> RE: The Obama hysteria gets blown out of the water (9/20/2010 10:34:22 AM)

bet he doesnt come back to acknowledge the differences, ignorance is bliss... but sure makes you look dumb



DomKen -> RE: The Obama Hypocracy Continues... (9/20/2010 10:35:44 AM)

I think it is also important to point out that Mexico actually has stricter safety rules for offshore drilling than the US. They learned their lesson back in 1979.



flcouple2009 -> RE: The Obama Hypocracy Continues... (9/20/2010 11:57:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Short answer.....Ignorance is bliss [8|]
And they are blissful.


They sure are an angry bunch to be so blissful.  [:)]

They do seem to have severe reading comprehension problems. Does that come with the blissful part?

The ban was on deep water drilling.  None of the Mexican fields the money is directed for are deep water.  How do the two relate?



tazzygirl -> RE: The Obama Hypocracy Continues... (9/20/2010 12:00:30 PM)

Its blissful in the way that parents are happy their children are blissful when it comes to the reality of santa clause and the easter bunny.



luckydawg -> RE: The Obama Hypocracy Continues... (9/20/2010 4:15:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

This came from Fox News

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/11/backs-b-loan-mexico-oil-drilling-despite-obama-moratorium/print?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


How surprising.

The one thing Mastercard left out is what was stated in your link:

The $1 billion deal is awaiting approval by the bank's board, which is expected to reach a final decision by Sept. 30, the end of the fiscal year. Because the bank is an independent agency, the deal is not subject to congressional approval.

Which makes Obama's involvement in the decision non-existent.



VISA





Obama is not part of the congress.

However the president of the bank is appointed by the President, and serves at his pleasure.

If Obama had a problem with an action by the bank, it would not happen.


It is clear and a fact, that most of the oil and Gas underwater in the USA is off limits to production.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2008-07-13-offshore-drilling_N.htm

Some great charts showing what is off limits on that link.

That is a 100% Democrat choice.



Obama wants American Taxpayers to garuntee loans to Fund Jobs in Mexico producing oil we can then import.

While throwing Americans in oil and gas production out of work.


The democrat "War on Business" continues...



Lucylastic -> RE: The Obama Hypocracy Continues... (9/20/2010 6:58:31 PM)

Could you please tell me why that page hasnt been updated since 2008?




DomYngBlk -> RE: The Obama Hypocracy Continues... (9/21/2010 6:17:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydawg


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

This came from Fox News

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/11/backs-b-loan-mexico-oil-drilling-despite-obama-moratorium/print?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


How surprising.

The one thing Mastercard left out is what was stated in your link:

The $1 billion deal is awaiting approval by the bank's board, which is expected to reach a final decision by Sept. 30, the end of the fiscal year. Because the bank is an independent agency, the deal is not subject to congressional approval.

Which makes Obama's involvement in the decision non-existent.



VISA





Obama is not part of the congress.

However the president of the bank is appointed by the President, and serves at his pleasure.

If Obama had a problem with an action by the bank, it would not happen.


It is clear and a fact, that most of the oil and Gas underwater in the USA is off limits to production.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2008-07-13-offshore-drilling_N.htm

Some great charts showing what is off limits on that link.

That is a 100% Democrat choice.



Obama wants American Taxpayers to garuntee loans to Fund Jobs in Mexico producing oil we can then import.

While throwing Americans in oil and gas production out of work.


The democrat "War on Business" continues...


Read and learn simpleton. Those are OUR jobs we are saving! Or would you rather Mexico to to Venenzuela or Iran for Investment. http://www.exim.gov/pressrelease.cfm/D89347BA-EAAC-F210-E74E87239B14CAF0/   Note this was done in 2009 not sure why this is being brought up now and someone got an "email" about it? LOL



mnottertail -> RE: The Obama Hypocracy Continues... (9/21/2010 6:18:49 AM)

Because the neo-cons didn't win in 2009 and it is an artifact of their smear.  The shitbreathers are just trying to recycle it, because they believe that sooner or later the truth will be forgotten if they just keep repeating the lie again, and again, and again, and again, and again, ad nauseam.



rulemylife -> RE: The Obama Hypocracy Continues... (9/21/2010 8:05:11 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydawg


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

This came from Fox News

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/11/backs-b-loan-mexico-oil-drilling-despite-obama-moratorium/print?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


How surprising.

The one thing Mastercard left out is what was stated in your link:

The $1 billion deal is awaiting approval by the bank's board, which is expected to reach a final decision by Sept. 30, the end of the fiscal year. Because the bank is an independent agency, the deal is not subject to congressional approval.

Which makes Obama's involvement in the decision non-existent.



VISA





Obama is not part of the congress.

However the president of the bank is appointed by the President, and serves at his pleasure.

If Obama had a problem with an action by the bank, it would not happen.


It is clear and a fact, that most of the oil and Gas underwater in the USA is off limits to production.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2008-07-13-offshore-drilling_N.htm

Some great charts showing what is off limits on that link.

That is a 100% Democrat choice.



Obama wants American Taxpayers to garuntee loans to Fund Jobs in Mexico producing oil we can then import.

While throwing Americans in oil and gas production out of work.


The democrat "War on Business" continues...


Well thank you, I was really confused.

I thought Obama was President and still served in the Senate.  Thanks for clearing that up.

Maybe you can help me out a little more and tell me who was President in 2008.

News Release : Ex-Im Bank Approves Financing

In fiscal year 2008, Ex-Im Bank authorized a total of $14.4 billion in financing to support an estimated $19.6 billion of U.S. exports worldwide. The Bank authorized financing to support $1.5 billion of U.S. exports for oil and gas production projects.

Maybe you can also help me out by explaining why this became a FOX News Alert just this month when the approval was given in April of 2009.






MasterCord -> RE: The Obama Hypocracy Continues... (9/21/2010 8:46:58 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

morons who can't spell hypocrisy shouldn't use it in a sentence.

So, the US ie bank loans money in 2009 and then subsequently we have an oil spill in 2010.

And the 'hypocrasy' is where?  


Gee...a spelling error.....it's amazing how some people need to attack simple errors of others....to make themselves look good.....

The date of the loan guarantee is wholly irrelevant. The "policy" was to support drilling, then when the BP spill pissed off his base, instead of having the balls to stand up and say that the overwhelming proof is that drilling is safe and we need to discover what happened here and fix it....he puts 10's of 1000's of people out of work over PR. By that same standard, what will he do if a plane crashes?......ban airplanes?.....train collision.....ban trains? .....cars crash?....kill people?...ban cars? He applied a dumb, simplistic solution to a complex problem and in so doing put a lot of good people out of work....more people than the spill itself put out of work.

That is the relevance of the article....not the date of it. Dumb solutions to every issue they faced. That is my point.

I will not spell-check this....I don't want to take away your fun :)



MasterCord -> RE: The Obama Hypocracy Continues... (9/21/2010 8:49:58 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

This came from Fox News

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/11/backs-b-loan-mexico-oil-drilling-despite-obama-moratorium/print?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


How surprising.

The one thing Mastercard left out is what was stated in your link:

The $1 billion deal is awaiting approval by the bank's board, which is expected to reach a final decision by Sept. 30, the end of the fiscal year. Because the bank is an independent agency, the deal is not subject to congressional approval.

Which makes Obama's involvement in the decision non-existent.



VISA





Amazing how naive......

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