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Justice Scalia is at it again. - 9/22/2010 10:40:50 AM   
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Supreme Court Justice Scalia Takes On Women's Rights

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Leave it to Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia to argue that the Constitution does not, in fact, bar sex discrimination.

Even though the court has said for decades that the equal-protection clause protects women (and, for that matter, men) from sex discrimination, the outspoken, controversial Scalia claimed late last week that women's equality is entirely up to the political branches. "If the current society wants to outlaw discrimination by sex," he told an audience at the University of California's Hastings College of the Law, "you have legislatures."

But Justice Scalia's attack on the constitutional rights of women - and of gays, whom he also brushed off - is not just his usual mouthing off. One of his colleagues on the nation's highest court, Justice Stephen Breyer, has just come out with a book called Making Our Democracy Work: A Judge's View, which rightly argues that the Constitution is a living document - one that the founders intended to grow over time, to keep up with new events. Justice Scalia is roaring back in defense of "originalism," his view that the Constitution is stuck in the meaning it had when it was written in the 18th century.

Indeed, Justice Scalia likes to present his views as highly principled - he's not against equal rights for women or anyone else; he's just giving the Constitution the strict interpretation it must be given. He focuses on the fact that the 14th Amendment was drafted after the Civil War to help lift up freed slaves to equality. "Nobody thought it was directed against sex discrimination," he told his audience. (See "The State of the American Woman.")

Yet, the idea that women are protected by the equal-protection clause is hardly new - or controversial. In 1971, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that they were protected, in an opinion by the conservative then Chief Justice Warren Burger. It is no small thing to talk about writing women out of equal protection - or Jews, or Latinos or other groups who would lose their protection by the same logic. It is nice to think that legislatures would protect these minorities from oppression by the majority, but we have a very different country when the Constitution guarantees that it is so.



Too bad we cant fire them.

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RE: Justice Scalia is at it again. - 9/22/2010 10:48:16 AM   
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All judges should be elected.It would keep them more in touch with, "The People."
And a book I'd like to see, "Making democracy work, a truckdriver's view."

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RE: Justice Scalia is at it again. - 9/22/2010 10:56:41 AM   
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Yes the old,  "All (straight white) MEN are created equal.  

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RE: Justice Scalia is at it again. - 9/22/2010 3:52:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Supreme Court Justice Scalia Takes On Women's Rights

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Leave it to Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia to argue that the Constitution does not, in fact, bar sex discrimination.

Even though the court has said for decades that the equal-protection clause protects women (and, for that matter, men) from sex discrimination, the outspoken, controversial Scalia claimed late last week that women's equality is entirely up to the political branches. "If the current society wants to outlaw discrimination by sex," he told an audience at the University of California's Hastings College of the Law, "you have legislatures."

But Justice Scalia's attack on the constitutional rights of women - and of gays, whom he also brushed off - is not just his usual mouthing off. One of his colleagues on the nation's highest court, Justice Stephen Breyer, has just come out with a book called Making Our Democracy Work: A Judge's View, which rightly argues that the Constitution is a living document - one that the founders intended to grow over time, to keep up with new events. Justice Scalia is roaring back in defense of "originalism," his view that the Constitution is stuck in the meaning it had when it was written in the 18th century.

Indeed, Justice Scalia likes to present his views as highly principled - he's not against equal rights for women or anyone else; he's just giving the Constitution the strict interpretation it must be given. He focuses on the fact that the 14th Amendment was drafted after the Civil War to help lift up freed slaves to equality. "Nobody thought it was directed against sex discrimination," he told his audience. (See "The State of the American Woman.")

Yet, the idea that women are protected by the equal-protection clause is hardly new - or controversial. In 1971, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that they were protected, in an opinion by the conservative then Chief Justice Warren Burger. It is no small thing to talk about writing women out of equal protection - or Jews, or Latinos or other groups who would lose their protection by the same logic. It is nice to think that legislatures would protect these minorities from oppression by the majority, but we have a very different country when the Constitution guarantees that it is so.



Too bad we cant fire them.


We agree on something!
Too bad Breyer cant be kicked out!

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RE: Justice Scalia is at it again. - 9/22/2010 4:15:13 PM   
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What is WRONG with Scalia? Barely a century ago, he'd have been just another wop in this country. The U.S. Constitution is the greatest governing document ever written. That most definitely does not mean that, because the men who wrote it were unenlightened about the fact that women and gays are most definitely people deserving of the same rights as white men, do not deserve said rights.

Scalia is an ass who should try to be more of a wise Latina and imagine what it must be like to, say, have someone attribute your mood to "being on the rag." But I suppose it's his patriarchy, and he'll work to preserve it!!


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RE: Justice Scalia is at it again. - 9/22/2010 4:25:54 PM   
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Scalia is a scary bastard."Originalism" would leave the document,over the course of time,as impotent and unable to adapt to a new and changing American society.

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RE: Justice Scalia is at it again. - 9/22/2010 4:44:47 PM   
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If the Constitution should is not a living document, why have we ever needed and amendments?

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RE: Justice Scalia is at it again. - 9/22/2010 5:24:25 PM   
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If the Constitution should is not a living document, why have we ever needed and amendments?


Because the Constitution as a "living document" refers to judicial interpretation, not legislative changes.

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RE: Justice Scalia is at it again. - 9/22/2010 5:42:10 PM   
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The Supreme Court's mission is to insure legislative changes are constitutional.

That requires, "judicial interpretation"



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RE: Justice Scalia is at it again. - 9/22/2010 5:47:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: peacefulplace

What is WRONG with Scalia? Barely a century ago, he'd have been just another wop in this country. The U.S. Constitution is the greatest governing document ever written. That most definitely does not mean that, because the men who wrote it were unenlightened about the fact that women and gays are most definitely people deserving of the same rights as white men, do not deserve said rights.

Scalia is an ass who should try to be more of a wise Latina and imagine what it must be like to, say, have someone attribute your mood to "being on the rag." But I suppose it's his patriarchy, and he'll work to preserve it!!

Hell, if he can change from a wop to a wise latina, he should be able to make water into wine also.....then twitch his nose and make all right with the world.  I hope he makes it where no one ever has to be on the rag again!

Personally, after reading the article, I think it is time for him to go.  We can only hope someone close to him feels the same and can talk him in to it.

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RE: Justice Scalia is at it again. - 9/22/2010 6:04:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Supreme Court Justice Scalia Takes On Women's Rights

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Leave it to Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia to argue that the Constitution does not, in fact, bar sex discrimination.

Even though the court has said for decades that the equal-protection clause protects women (and, for that matter, men) from sex discrimination, the outspoken, controversial Scalia claimed late last week that women's equality is entirely up to the political branches. "If the current society wants to outlaw discrimination by sex," he told an audience at the University of California's Hastings College of the Law, "you have legislatures."

But Justice Scalia's attack on the constitutional rights of women - and of gays, whom he also brushed off - is not just his usual mouthing off. One of his colleagues on the nation's highest court, Justice Stephen Breyer, has just come out with a book called Making Our Democracy Work: A Judge's View, which rightly argues that the Constitution is a living document - one that the founders intended to grow over time, to keep up with new events. Justice Scalia is roaring back in defense of "originalism," his view that the Constitution is stuck in the meaning it had when it was written in the 18th century.

Indeed, Justice Scalia likes to present his views as highly principled - he's not against equal rights for women or anyone else; he's just giving the Constitution the strict interpretation it must be given. He focuses on the fact that the 14th Amendment was drafted after the Civil War to help lift up freed slaves to equality. "Nobody thought it was directed against sex discrimination," he told his audience. (See "The State of the American Woman.")

Yet, the idea that women are protected by the equal-protection clause is hardly new - or controversial. In 1971, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that they were protected, in an opinion by the conservative then Chief Justice Warren Burger. It is no small thing to talk about writing women out of equal protection - or Jews, or Latinos or other groups who would lose their protection by the same logic. It is nice to think that legislatures would protect these minorities from oppression by the majority, but we have a very different country when the Constitution guarantees that it is so.



Too bad we cant fire them.




There is legal and proper discrimination everywhere tazzy...

A 4'11" asian woman cannot play in the NBA

A 5' 9" 369lb white male cannot be a state trooper

An elected white Congressman representing a minority district cannot be a full member of the Congressional Black Caucus

Male reporters are not allowed in WTA locker rooms...

White Europeans are are barred from minority scholarships.

There are ZERO blind fighter pilots...



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RE: Justice Scalia is at it again. - 9/22/2010 6:52:14 PM   
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And there is one idiotic post form a Fat something or other

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RE: Justice Scalia is at it again. - 9/22/2010 6:53:05 PM   
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I saw this today, and wondered who would post this bit of hackery, Tazzy. I wasn't expecting it to be you. First, we have just the tone Time decided to take. A Justice of the United States Supreme Court is "mouthing off?" What page of the NYT Handbook of Style is that from?

Then there is just the sheer double standard in play. Last week, Justice Breyer, out promoting the same book Time throws a plug to, suggested that the First Amendment might not allow the free expression of Koran burning. Where was the snotty indignation to that? Seriously!

Farther on in the article is the rather interesting assertion by the author that the Framers, "were trying to help black people achieve equality." I guess this asshole missed the 3/5ths compromise, huh?

Scalia probably had all the makings of an excellent, thought provoking discussion, for scholars and the interested. We won't be getting any of that based on this article.



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RE: Justice Scalia is at it again. - 9/22/2010 8:13:15 PM   
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And there is one idiotic post form a Fat something or other


Form a what?

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RE: Justice Scalia is at it again. - 9/22/2010 8:26:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Supreme Court Justice Scalia Takes On Women's Rights

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Leave it to Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia to argue that the Constitution does not, in fact, bar sex discrimination.

Even though the court has said for decades that the equal-protection clause protects women (and, for that matter, men) from sex discrimination, the outspoken, controversial Scalia claimed late last week that women's equality is entirely up to the political branches. "If the current society wants to outlaw discrimination by sex," he told an audience at the University of California's Hastings College of the Law, "you have legislatures."

But Justice Scalia's attack on the constitutional rights of women - and of gays, whom he also brushed off - is not just his usual mouthing off. One of his colleagues on the nation's highest court, Justice Stephen Breyer, has just come out with a book called Making Our Democracy Work: A Judge's View, which rightly argues that the Constitution is a living document - one that the founders intended to grow over time, to keep up with new events. Justice Scalia is roaring back in defense of "originalism," his view that the Constitution is stuck in the meaning it had when it was written in the 18th century.

Indeed, Justice Scalia likes to present his views as highly principled - he's not against equal rights for women or anyone else; he's just giving the Constitution the strict interpretation it must be given. He focuses on the fact that the 14th Amendment was drafted after the Civil War to help lift up freed slaves to equality. "Nobody thought it was directed against sex discrimination," he told his audience. (See "The State of the American Woman.")

Yet, the idea that women are protected by the equal-protection clause is hardly new - or controversial. In 1971, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that they were protected, in an opinion by the conservative then Chief Justice Warren Burger. It is no small thing to talk about writing women out of equal protection - or Jews, or Latinos or other groups who would lose their protection by the same logic. It is nice to think that legislatures would protect these minorities from oppression by the majority, but we have a very different country when the Constitution guarantees that it is so.



Too bad we cant fire them.


Umm. . . he has a point.  The US Constitution did NOT recognize the rights of women. 

That is a historical fact.

The US Constitution actually took away some rights that women had.

He is not saying that women should be denied rights, he is talking about what the founders envisioned.

Remember Abigael Adams?

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RE: Justice Scalia is at it again. - 9/22/2010 10:09:21 PM   
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And women were seen as little more than property back then.

Black men were seen a being worth only 3/5ths of a person for the census...

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States_of_America

Child labor laws were nothing even remotely thought about.

Rape was never a legal matter.

Duels were never thought of as murder, simply acts of honor.

Humans could be bought and sold.

Women had no say in who they married, their families chose for them.

This is what our founding fathers had as a moral guide in their society when they drafted the Constitution.

Is this what you are proclaiming we return too?

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RE: Justice Scalia is at it again. - 9/22/2010 10:10:48 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I saw this today, and wondered who would post this bit of hackery, Tazzy. I wasn't expecting it to be you. First, we have just the tone Time decided to take. A Justice of the United States Supreme Court is "mouthing off?" What page of the NYT Handbook of Style is that from?

Then there is just the sheer double standard in play. Last week, Justice Breyer, out promoting the same book Time throws a plug to, suggested that the First Amendment might not allow the free expression of Koran burning. Where was the snotty indignation to that? Seriously!

Farther on in the article is the rather interesting assertion by the author that the Framers, "were trying to help black people achieve equality." I guess this asshole missed the 3/5ths compromise, huh?

Scalia probably had all the makings of an excellent, thought provoking discussion, for scholars and the interested. We won't be getting any of that based on this article.




You are more than welcome to offer up any evidence as a rebuttal. I welcome a debate on what you consider his point to be.

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RE: Justice Scalia is at it again. - 9/22/2010 10:55:08 PM   
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The point I'm making Tazzy is that I have no idea of what Justice Scalia's point might have been from reading that trashy bit of alleged journalism. His point might have been to make people say, "WTF?!" Beyond that, I dunno. Did you catch Breyer's comments on Good Morning America?

Going just off the Preamble, though, I would have to say that goal of domestic tranquility is not always well served by equality of the sexes.

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RE: Justice Scalia is at it again. - 9/22/2010 11:07:04 PM   
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Ah yes, suppression of one of the sexes is always best when its legal, isnt it?

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RE: Justice Scalia is at it again. - 9/23/2010 1:09:19 AM   
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There is legal and proper discrimination everywhere tazzy...

A 4'11" asian woman cannot play in the NBA

A 5' 9" 369lb white male cannot be a state trooper

An elected white Congressman representing a minority district cannot be a full member of the Congressional Black Caucus

Male reporters are not allowed in WTA locker rooms...

White Europeans are are barred from minority scholarships.

There are ZERO blind fighter pilots...


It seems that the translocation from B.com to here has killed off what little there was of your underutilized cerebellum. There's no point in my pointing out that your only point is hidden by your tin foil hat.


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