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RE: Stephen Colbert draws attention to self, then farmw... - 9/25/2010 5:35:54 AM   
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So, if you were asked to testify in front of congress, you wouldn't?


No, not if I didn't have any expertise in the subject and I knew the whole thing was designed as a publicity ploy by the committee chairwoman.

Things like this just make a mockery of our legislative process.

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Oh, BTW, you never specified as to why it was okay for Mark Twain (when not in his humorist role he was known as Samuel Clemens) to testify on copyright law as a non-lawyer... yet it is wrong for Stephen Colbert to testify...


That's probably because I never said it was.

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... and are you sure that the only thing Colbert knows about migration all hinges on his show? You know this for a fact?


Yes, by his own admission:


"Good morning. My name is Stephen Colbert and I’m an American citizen. It is an honor and a privilege to be here today. Congresswoman Lofgren asked me to share my vast experience spending one day as a migrant farm worker."


(News for colbert testimony transcript)


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RE: Stephen Colbert draws attention to self, then farmw... - 9/25/2010 5:37:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		what was rude was the congress man who told him to shut up. apparentely colbert did not ask to testify he was asked to do so by the chairperson. in that position he should have been allowed to speak.

I can see what relationship twain had to copyrights, even though he was not a lawyer he was a writer. I did not see the hearing so I am courious, what relationship does colbert have to this subject besides a comedy skit? is he an ex migrant worker? does he work with farmers/migrant workers? has he been an activist for migrant workers?

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RE: Stephen Colbert draws attention to self, then farmw... - 9/25/2010 5:40:43 AM   
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Well, um, you did...see, the comedy effect is acheived by cleverly cutting and pasting your words within the actual quote, to make it look like you said something you didn't...and then adding Allahpundit's signature line...you see, that is what experts in the comedy field call irony, and dry wit....

um, never mind.

I won't quit the day job.


Yeah, I missed that.

It was late after a long day.





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RE: Stephen Colbert draws attention to self, then farmw... - 9/25/2010 6:35:19 AM   
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No, not if I didn't have any expertise in the subject and I knew the whole thing was designed as a publicity ploy by the committee chairwoman.

Things like this just make a mockery of our legislative process.


it seems to me that he is pretty involved in this issue, if you would do a google search you would see he has been promoting farm workers for several months now. Regardless of making a funny about his appearance on his show, he has been much more involved than that



You never once offered to contribute what you know of his expertise or the lack of it, you seem to want to reduce his involvement in this issue to that of doing a show once... which is not the case.

Are you one of these people that think celebrities should never be politically active? They are citizens too, and have as much right as anyone else to get involved, even if I disagree with them. Do you have to have a disease like Michael J Fox or Christopher Reeves to "appropriately" address congress..

You know, you are allowed to any sort of opinion about anything or anyone you like, I just don't agree with you, and I wonder why you compare Colbert to Beck and Limbaugh, when he would be more relevantly compared to Mark Twain, Elmo, Christopher Reeves, Susan Serandon, Michael J Fox, etc etc etc....I just wonder where all this outrage that Faux has against Colbert was when Elmo testified in front of a Republican congress on education... where were you and Gretchen Carlson then?




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RE: Stephen Colbert draws attention to self, then farmw... - 9/25/2010 6:44:48 AM   
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RE: Stephen Colbert draws attention to self, then farmw... - 9/25/2010 7:28:53 AM   
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You never once offered to contribute what you know of his expertise or the lack of it......


While you are challenging me to do so you seem to be neglecting the fact that you have not either. 

And it is you who seems to believe he has this expertise so I would think the burden of proof is yours.

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Are you one of these people that think celebrities should never be politically active?


No.

I am one of those people who believe that their celebrity status should not make their opinion any more valuable than any other American.

With the exception of those who have a background in the topic being debated and can legitimately be called experts in that field.


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RE: Stephen Colbert draws attention to self, then farmw... - 9/25/2010 7:31:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/25/business/la-fi-farm-workers-20100625

Note the date of the article, a few months ago...

I did a google timeline which shows his involvement with UFW has been going on for a couple of years, although when I hit the links the news stories were so old they were removed

google timeline



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No.

I am one of those people who believe that their celebrity status should not make their opinion any more valuable than any other American.

With the exception of those who have a background in the topic being debated and can legitimately be called experts in that field.


I am of the opinion that Americans no matter who they are have always used whatever influence they have to put forward their personal views... it is in keeping with being an American to engage the political process. I have no issue with this

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RE: Stephen Colbert draws attention to self, then farmw... - 9/25/2010 7:46:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have no problems with anyone putting forth their personal views.

What I have a problem with is the celebrity culture we have in this country that deems the views of those in the public eye as somehow more informed and relevant when they have no real expertise in the field.

And Colbert did not claim to have any.

It is you who are trying to say he does.

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RE: Stephen Colbert draws attention to self, then farmw... - 9/25/2010 7:48:06 AM   
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RE: Stephen Colbert draws attention to self, then farmw... - 9/25/2010 7:55:55 AM   
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I put up proof of his involvement, too bad you chose not to view it.



I did.

It's irrelevant.

Someone being involved with a cause does not necessarily make them any more knowledgeable about the issue and certainly does not qualify them as an expert.

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RE: Stephen Colbert draws attention to self, then farmw... - 9/25/2010 8:03:16 AM   
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I put up proof of his involvement, too bad you chose not to view it.



I did.

It's irrelevant.

Someone being involved with a cause does not necessarily make them any more knowledgeable about the issue and certainly does not qualify them as an expert.



I disagree, and I am much satisfied to leave it at that

I still think it is much that you celebrate Gretchen Carlson's hypocrisy in regard to Colbert. I also think it is much that you compare someone who has become involved with those who are the most marginal in our society with those who spew hate and intolerance towards the same people Colbert champions. I think it is rather much that you cannot see that Colbert is attempting to counter the Limbaughs and the Becks by advocating FOR people instead of AGAINST them.

I know the attack against Colbert by Gretchen Carlson was all about a political view and not the act of testifying in front of congress... because they have never went after Elmo or Brinkley.... two recent examples of republicans calling useless entertainment figures to testify... so therefore the attack on Colbert was POLITICALLY motivated by a "news" organization... it is kinda troubling to me that you would cheer on a politically motivated act from a so-called news organization and deride someone who wants to champion the marginalized in this country..



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RE: Stephen Colbert draws attention to self, then farmw... - 9/25/2010 8:47:46 AM   
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I disagree, and I am much satisfied to leave it at that

I still think it is much that you celebrate Gretchen Carlson's hypocrisy in regard to Colbert. I also think it is much that you compare someone who has become involved with those who are the most marginal in our society with those who spew hate and intolerance towards the same people Colbert champions. I think it is rather much that you cannot see that Colbert is attempting to counter the Limbaughs and the Becks by advocating FOR people instead of AGAINST them.

I know the attack against Colbert by Gretchen Carlson was all about a political view and not the act of testifying in front of congress... because they have never went after Elmo or Brinkley.... two recent examples of republicans calling useless entertainment figures to testify... so therefore the attack on Colbert was POLITICALLY motivated by a "news" organization... it is kinda troubling to me that you would cheer on a politically motivated act from a so-called news organization and deride someone who wants to champion the marginalized in this country..


I'm not sure what the problem is here, is it that you just like to argue or is it that you don't understand what I am trying to say?

I'm a Colbert fan, you might remember it was my thread about the D.C. rally.

I think his testimony was hilarious, but I also think it was politics at its worst.  A serious issue was reduced to a publicity ploy by the chairwoman and I truly wish Conyers had not backed down in his criticism of the dog and pony show she put on.



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RE: Stephen Colbert draws attention to self, then farmw... - 9/25/2010 8:57:30 AM   
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RE: Stephen Colbert draws attention to self, then farmw... - 9/25/2010 9:07:30 AM   
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You stated that you agreed with Gretchen Carlson and you compared Colbert to Limbaugh and Beck




Yes I did, in this case, but you have read enough of my posts to know I have little respect for her or for Fox but I am not going to deny when I think their view is accurate.

As far as comparing Colbert to Limbaugh and Beck, that was only an example.

I could just as easily have used Bono, Angelina Jolie, Sean Penn or any of the other pretentious assholes that think their celebrity status makes their views more important.

And I really don't think that Colbert falls into that pretentious category, but I do think it was inappropriate that he was invited to speak in the first place.  It was just a political stunt  to draw attention to the hearing, but in my opinion it backfired badly.

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RE: Stephen Colbert draws attention to self, then farmw... - 9/25/2010 9:42:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		It was the most viewed hearing since impeachment. I would not say it backfired....

Personally, I find "news" organizations promoted to lambaste people based upon the position they advocate rather disturbing... far more disturbing than appearing as requested by a politician. I suppose the way Fox news muddies the waters and is so completely biased is something many people are just desensitized to... shrugs

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RE: Stephen Colbert draws attention to self, then farmw... - 9/25/2010 11:52:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I do happen to be a fan of Steven Colbert.  However, that doesn't sway My opinion on his testimony.  I completely understand his position that he come in character.  Yet, isn't "testimony" supposed to be based on fact, rather than a comedy bit?

Yes, other celebrities have testified before.  This was more of a publicity stunt.  Other celebrities that have testified in the past have done so through their connection in their life where it was in direct connection with their work.  Yes, even Elmo.  While also done in character, it should be noted that the production "Sesame Street" has been involved with children's education issues for decades.  When it comes to deciding which is more of an "expert" on the respective subjects, I'm going with the muppet.

Granted, the man did get more attention on the committee meeting, which I'm sure was part of the plan all along.  That was the very purpose of the ploy.


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RE: Stephen Colbert draws attention to self, then farmw... - 9/25/2010 2:03:23 PM   
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RE: Stephen Colbert draws attention to self, then farmw... - 9/25/2010 8:51:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		My previous statements seem to have been ignored, so I'll reitterate them on this page as well: comedy is a form of communication, it expresses the ideas and views of the speaker in an exaggerated or farcical context.  Personally, I find it easier to follow the substantial ideas inserted into comedy routines than read a prim and proper discourse or essay on the topic where the motives of the writer are hard to discern as you attempt to draw facts from their written opinion.  The key thing to remember is that every is biased, I feel that comedians aren't afraid of showing their bias out of concern that the honesty or facade of their act will offend people, because, let's get down to it, somebody will always be offended by what someone says, and certainly many more will disagree with your position.  I admire honesty and despise the fraud of opinion-dressed-as-imutable-fact in politics and pretty much any other social media (like the news).

I like Stephen Colbert and his comedic alter ego because they get down to the root of the issue.  Form follows function, and I approve of his form of communication because it is functional.

Too many people today, I think, Americans especially, look down on one form or another because it doesn't fit their idea of propriety.

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RE: Stephen Colbert draws attention to self, then farmw... - 9/25/2010 9:31:43 PM   
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I like Stephen Colbert and his comedic alter ego because they get down to the root of the issue.  Form follows function, and I approve of his form of communication because it is functional.

Too many people today, I think, Americans especially, look down on one form or another because it doesn't fit their idea of propriety.


It has nothing to do with propriety, it is recognition that his humor is based on hyperbole and distortion. If you are able to parse out the facts from his schtick, more power to you. Most people cant. Hell, most veiwers think that Stewart presents real news, not comedy.

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RE: Stephen Colbert draws attention to self, then farmw... - 9/25/2010 9:46:46 PM   
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