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RE: The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/28/2010 6:16:17 AM   
Cy83r


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Agreed Rex, fuck Israel and fuck the Christians. Actually fuck McCarthyism as well, according to my copy of the Constitution it never was unlawful to be a member of the Communist party. Of course it is and was illegal to try to overthrow the government, but those blacklisted did no such thing.

The world is full of me me me-ers and that's all. Nobody seems to have any respect for anyone else's ideals or beliefs. I am constantly disappointed by any and all such "movements". When I studied with the common law people, at first it seemed quite noble, they were fighting against the gouging government on taxes and such. Then there in the leaflets was the story of a guy using those same tactics to get out of child support payments. And they want my respect ?

No group seems to be able to comprehend the real ideal. Now people may think what they like of me, I have certain opinions. I believe that people should be able to control the local environment so their kids can grow to understand their own personal historical culture. That doesn't just mean segregated neighborhoods as in White, Black and Hispanic. That means little Italy, little Poland, little wherever the hell else, it goes way further than the simple quotient envisioned by even what most people consider racist. And then there are those who, who actually may be right, would rather raise their progeny in a multicultural environment. It's about choice, not me or the government making the choice for them.

But then the system was flawed right from the start. Our own Constitution, as good as it may have been had no business in the field of genetics. The aristocratic snobs who wrote it determined that lawfully one was only a person if they are three fifths what ? Three fifths from a race just as brutal and inhumane as any tribe on Earth, just better able to hide it. I callem as I seeum. They may have been a brave sort, willing to risk their fame, family and FORTUNE, and even their lives, bu tthat does not change what they were.

When you start with a flawed system, you just get bigger. It does not fix itself. History touts what many consider to be guerrila warfare and purports it to be what helped "us" win the war of independence. Bullshit, England knew they couldn't hold on. Why a tea party in the first place ? Why waste all that good tea ? I would've just told them to take their tax papers and shove them where the sun don't shine. Then have a cup of tea and wait for "them" to come. But no, it was grandstanding, something that has been a tradition of politicians for evermore, it's just a bit more refined today.

So they write freedom of religion into the Constitution, and don't enforce it. The majority of the people are Christian so everyone else be damnned. They lied when they called it a replublic from the beginning, and the lie continues today. But the cracks are showing. Nationalism and even patriotism in a way equate to a gang mentality. Even by their own words "we must hang together or we shall surely hang separately.

You mat damn me for what I am, it took a long time but I have seen through it all. Nothing has changed. Only the degree of divide and conquer theory being applied, and that was the true intent of integration. People were not ready for it, and they knew it. Now people are starting to get along, so with profit forever in their minds of course, the seek out and find or create new enemies. And when those are gone they will find more. Once all the Arabs are gone, it will be time to pick another fight, who will it be this time ?

Ancient scholars who predicted the end of the world did it in the most metaphoric way, but they were right on the money. Even armageddon, it will happen, but not by the hand of some supernatural force, by the hand of Man. These old Men who didn't waste time learning a new OS for the PC every couple years, how to progeram their cellphone or TV sel, or microwave oven for that matter had plenty of time to watch and learn about human nature. Thus they gained the insight to predict what will come.

Neither I nor anyone else of this time has that level of insight. We are too distracted and life is simply too short. I am no Man on the mountain top by any stretch, but at least I can see through the bullshit, and I know that it started a very long time ago, perhaps even before the develpment of language. It certainly seems likely when the behavior of animals is considered.

The tea party is no different, never were and never will be. For some reason I am like this. I never wanted much to be on a team, I always preferred individualism, and for a good part of my life I prevailed and did quite well. I am not a joiner. I am not a follower and I see no reason to get out of the way. The dirty, ugly side of humanity is no stranger to me, but I guess I am used to it. I see very little difference between a colony of humans, a pack of wolves or a colony of bacteria. It is life. We have not evolved despite technicalogical advances. People themselves are just as primitive as ever for the most part.

Of course there are exceptions, and I am here mainly because I percieve that here I am among those exceptions. With certain exceptions of course :-)

Join my party. One law for all, if it doesn't hurt anyone else, do whatever you want. And the punishments fits the crime. There it is in a nutshell. Hate your neighbors ? Move. Minimal taxes, used only for infrastructure, no wars unless attacked. I guess an army would be part of the infrastructure. Even get back to shooting horse thieves if that's what it takes, but without the bullshit.

To do anything else is just to continue a mistake. Rewrite the Constituion rather than amend it. But under no circumstances let the current politicians near the thing, they'll just put more shit stains on it.

Me me me me, that's what it's all about, and nothing has changed.

T


I do hope you realize that your ad hominem attacks on a widely despised group of people only detract from your arguement.  You want to raise your head above the squallor of angry and selfish rhetoric?  But you condemn the very tool with which you can change things and commit the same sins as those you stand against.

First, the Constitution being the supreme law of the land (Article VI) holds our politicians to task for their indescretions.  I put forth that a rebellion to remove such deletrious influences from their seat of power is upheld for the people by the Constitution itself.

Second, I've been told that many laws have exemption clauses written in to remove the unfavorable effects from the enacting legislature, if this is true, I would accuse those very legislators of violating collective liberty by setting one group outside the laws placed upon others.  Again the Constitution is my weapon of choice.

Third, you rail against the Three-fifths Compromise which has been effectively made moot by the Civil Rights Ammendments and subsequent judgements on discrimination issues raised by the integration of an entire clade of humanity set into slavery into the fold of equality.  The Constitution is capable of being corrected without a complete rewrite, it is an inherently positive document and declaring it defunct is tantamount to the McCarthist claims against the alleged Communists with a capital C, it is one of rebellion against our laws and is no better than the robber-barons emplaced in Washington.

Fourth, positive nationalism is having pride in your country and its origins and striving to keep it working and improving.  Sure, patriotic pride can be turned into fuel for warmongering and the inflammation of unrighteous hate, but nothing is perfect and everything has a flaw, the trick is finding the way with the least flaws and the most advantages, sometimes you take a greater flaw for a net return in advantages.  This is evidenced in the structure of our courts, truth over retribution at the expense of conviction.

And shooting horse rustlers? Really? Not only are we pretty much out of that archaic time period, but advocating death over punishment and rehabilitation is typically political, appealing to the base desire for revenge.  For this alone you should feel shame.  Do not take our foundations lightly, Termyn8or, they helped make us a great country and a great people, we can still use the original intention of that document to progress out of this dark age of ignorance, emotive posturing, and false pretenses.

< Message edited by Cy83r -- 9/28/2010 6:18:44 AM >

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RE: The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/28/2010 6:55:32 AM   
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Goddamn, you two should write a book together.

My mistake............I see you already have.

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RE: The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/28/2010 8:36:44 AM   
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To start, "And shooting horse rustlers? Really? Not only are we pretty much out of that archaic time period, but advocating death over punishment and rehabilitation is typically political, appealing to the base desire for revenge."

It was the death penalty because stealing a horse could cost someone their life. Many years ago automobile theft in Chicago netted the death penalty for certain reasons as well. It was not revenge.

I wasn't aware that Jews and Christians are widely despised, at least in the US, but when I say fuck them, I don't mean kill or hate them or anything of the sort. I mean that according to the document this government has only the authority to build one nation, not others. Gypsies, anarchists and whole groups of people were discriminated against. This is supposed to be a republic, and I submit that it never was. Even though the authors of the Constitution carefully used the phrase "the creator", but it means nothing without proper enforcement. In a republic the officials are charged with protecting each individual's rights in the society, no matter the popularity or otherwise. In a true democracy an angry mob can vote to have you burned at the stake for wearing two different color socks.

And the three fifths thing, OK it has been mooted. Why ? Because it was a flaw, so I see no argument there.

"I would accuse those very legislators of violating collective liberty by setting one group outside the laws placed upon others.  Again the Constitution is my weapon of choice."

Well in case you didn't know, some time back a court in Colorado hearing a case (against a public official no less) for carrying a concealed weapon came right out and declared that any reference to the second amendment would be held in contampt. There goes your Constitutional argument. And holding one class of citizen above the law, well police can have guns and "regular" people can't, as if there is some sort of difference. Is there really ? Additionally some IRS agents have guns. Guess who else is above the law, bodyguards for the scumbag politicians who want to take our means of defense away.

And I did not declare the Constitution defunct, the government did. A bit of research on how the President got the power of executive order would be enlightening. The Constitution has been null and void for quite some time. When a court rules ostensibly on Constitutional grounds it is only covering up the fact that the entire document has been and remains declared suspended indefinitely. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you, but facts are facts. You can't directly use the Constitution to defend anything in court, you must make public certain pieces of evidence etc. to coerce them, by means of their unwillingness to admit that we are, and all of us were born under Admiralty Maritime Jurisdiction. That's your only tool when accused of a non crime or other travesty of justice.

"positive nationalism is having pride in your country and its origins and striving to keep it working and improving."

Agreed, any ideas on just how to accomplish that ? And what of those origins ? People of many different origins have many different ideals and opinions, as such are thus more easy to divide and conquer. While you and I may agree on alot of things, there are many who simply believe that the government is or should be omnipotent, and want to periodically declare "There should be a law". These attitudes are passed on from generation to generation. In younger years when some of us became assertive about our rights even our own older family members would sometimes say "Try living under...." Tito, Stalin, Hitler, you name it. They completely forget why they came here. It's like they are satisfied being a trustee in jail rather than gaining full release. Each sets their own standards.

"the trick is finding the way with the least flaws and the most advantages, sometimes you take a greater flaw for a net return in advantages"

You mean trading freedom for security ? We may diverge on that one, so save it for later.

In short, for a real positive change the first accomplshment would be to return to Constitutional law. Reasonably of course. We are so far down the path now that even gradually returning to the rule of the real law would be catastophic at best. And there is no solidarity whatsoever. I tried the most base point I could come up with, and on a simple matter. I proposed, for the sake of opinion that we could maybe agree that congressmen and senators should have no separate retirements nor entitlements. That they should be forced to settle for SS like the commoner. I even made provisions for exemption of those who really do risk life and limb, soldiers, police, firemen and so forth. My faith was misplaced. I thought it would be near unanimous that people would agree, despite the fact that it is not likely to happen. But no, I got back a pile of hemming and hawing.

My conclusion therefore is that we are not ready to evolve into a civilized society. All we can do is ride the storm out, and let the chips fall where they may. A society must be built, and to build anything you need a strong foundation. My assertion is that as strong as the foundation seemed, it simply wasn't up to snuff.

T

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RE: The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/28/2010 9:02:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
I wasn't aware that Jews and Christians are widely despised, at least in the US, but when I say fuck them, I don't mean kill or hate them or anything of the sort.

Who said you were a necrophilliac?

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RE: The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/29/2010 8:11:53 PM   
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They are Republicans who believe the GOP has become too radical for their tastes and they want to return to liking Ike, wearing poodle skirts, and hating Commies.


Ike??  You mean the guy who presided over a 91% top tax rate*, and stuck us with that horrible Big Government interstate highway system project?  If his name were Obama, the tea partiers would call him the socialist to end all socialists.

* http://politics.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977623449

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RE: The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/30/2010 3:44:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
They are Republicans who believe the GOP has become too radical for their tastes and they want to return to liking Ike, wearing poodle skirts, and hating Commies.


Ike??  You mean the guy who presided over a 91% top tax rate*, and stuck us with that horrible Big Government interstate highway system project?  If his name were Obama, the tea partiers would call him the socialist to end all socialists.

* http://politics.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977623449



Uh yeah, we've already covered this.

Go back to post #20.

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RE: The TV...er Tea party..let's take a look. - 9/30/2010 4:35:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Support standing against Islamic radicals and enemies to our country

Support standing by our real friends, such as Israel



Shouldn't they be advocating an invasion of Israel, since the Israeli murder(s) of our citizens? 

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