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pahunkboy -> RE: Health care lesson (9/29/2010 7:48:26 AM)

hmm. No one mentioned check ups.




mnottertail -> RE: Health care lesson (9/29/2010 7:58:35 AM)

yes, they did, thishereboi explicitly and several implicitly.  Blowjobs are excellent preventative care, but do not necessarily need to be performed by your licenced healthcare professional, unless you own them anyway.

Usually, these are administered as home-remedies.





tazzygirl -> RE: Health care lesson (9/29/2010 8:42:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Smallpox is believed to have emerged in human populations about 10,000 BC.[2] The earliest physical evidence of smallpox is likely the pustular rash on the mummified body of Pharaoh Ramses V of Egypt, who died in 1157 BC.[6] During the 18th century the disease killed an estimated 400,000 Europeans per year (including five reigning monarchs),[7] and was responsible for a third of all blindness.[3][8] Of all those infected, 20–60%—and over 80% of infected children—died from the disease.[9]

Smallpox was responsible for an estimated 300–500 million deaths during the 20th century alone.[10][11][12] In the early 1950s an estimated 50 million cases of smallpox occurred in the world each year.[13] As recently as 1967, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimated that 15 million people contracted the disease and that two million died in that year.[13] After successful vaccination campaigns throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, the WHO certified the eradication of smallpox in December 1979.[13] To this day, smallpox is the only human infectious disease to have been eradicated.[14


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox

Now, what are those reasons not to take vaccinations?

Except that it is not true, small pox is stil being contracted around the world and the WHO is an essentially privatized health care dispenser of alarm and fear to try to create a pandemic where there is none. This is done in order for their principal sponsors to profit.

Look it up H1N1, ebola, avian flu etc. and the rest. See how may cases were really contracted, where they went to research and what they did about it.




The last cases of smallpox in the world occurred in an outbreak of two cases (one of which was fatal) in Birmingham, UK in 1978. A medical photographer, Janet Parker, contracted the disease at the University of Birmingham Medical School and died on 11 September 1978,[62] after which the scientist responsible for smallpox research at the university, Professor Henry Bedson, committed suicide.[2] In light of this accident, all known stocks of smallpox were destroyed or transferred to one of two WHO reference laboratories which had BSL-4 facilities; the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in the United States and the State Research Center of Virology and Biotechnology VECTOR in Koltsovo, Russia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox#Post-eradication

The writing of this review coincided with the thirtieth anniversary of the last fatal case of smallpox, which occurred in Birmingham, England, in 1978. Janet Parker was a medical photographer, who had been working in a room above the smallpox laboratory at the University Medical School. The Abid strain of the virus traveled up a service duct into the room and infected her. She developed spots, which were mistaken for a benign rash. Later Mrs. Parker was diagnosed as having contracted variola major, the most lethal type of the disease. The vaccination she had received twelve years earlier was not recent enough to protect her and so she died over two weeks later.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-195135148.html

If you have a more recent case of smallpox, you should be contacting the CDC




tazzygirl -> RE: Health care lesson (9/29/2010 9:12:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Yes, a poor paying job that you cant afford to be sick from, so you give it to others. Interesting how that works.


Maybe that is why so many places are offering free or really cheap shots. Of course you still have to get the person in to take the shot.



Your source listed 2007 places. What do you consider "cheap" when someone only makes 8 an hour? Recall, 8 an hour leaves someone a net of 960 a month, before rent, transportation, food, or anything else.

960 - 550 (rent in my area for a one bedroom) = 410 for the month. Cheapest transportation, 80 dollars for a monthly bus pass... 330. Groceries... 50 a week.. and thats being extremely stingy and including things like dish soap, laundry soap and toilet paper ... we are now down to 130 a month... that leaves 32.50 a week. We havent even factored in power bills, any kind of cable, phone or anything else.

Now, tell me what you consider cheap for these people who do not qualify for any kind of assistance because they make too much money?




BeingChewsie -> RE: Health care lesson (9/29/2010 10:53:19 AM)

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The flu is highly contageous, and affects millions each year. Yet, if you dont have the money, or insurance, you cannot protect yourself as those who "have" can. THIS is where the line has been drawn... between the haves and the have nots.


I don't disagree that there are health disparities between income groups (in fact it is something that I been thinking quite a bit about) but let's flesh this out a little more because I think that we need to give a solid definition to "have" and "have not", What do those terms mean to people and how does your culture, background, educational level, or income level impact on how you define those terms?

Let me ask you an honest question:

How exactly are you going to define who is a have and who is a have not?

Are you a "have not" if you -could- have insurance (or could get a flu shot) if you cut your expenses or lived with roommates or ate ramen and beans a few days a week or had less children or lived in lower cost area or had a lower mortgage payment or a lower car payment but choose to spend your money differently? Or are you a "have" who will be forced to change your lifestyle? I guess I'm asking what group do you make the have-nots? and what about all those people who realistically could afford health insurance or a flu shot (or whatever preventative care measure) if they made different lifestyle choices, like got roommates, used public transportation or walked/biked to work or got rid of cable/internet or got rid of the cell phone or spent less money on a variety of things or took out loans/grants and took advantage of all the educational opportunities here in the US? Should any of those variables be considered?




pahunkboy -> RE: Health care lesson (9/29/2010 12:04:13 PM)

Often a check up can lessen worse problems later.  






willbeurdaddy -> RE: Health care lesson (9/29/2010 12:29:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Yes, a poor paying job that you cant afford to be sick from, so you give it to others. Interesting how that works.


Maybe that is why so many places are offering free or really cheap shots. Of course you still have to get the person in to take the shot.



Your source listed 2007 places. What do you consider "cheap" when someone only makes 8 an hour? Recall, 8 an hour leaves someone a net of 960 a month, before rent, transportation, food, or anything else.

960 - 550 (rent in my area for a one bedroom) = 410 for the month. Cheapest transportation, 80 dollars for a monthly bus pass... 330. Groceries... 50 a week.. and thats being extremely stingy and including things like dish soap, laundry soap and toilet paper ... we are now down to 130 a month... that leaves 32.50 a week. We havent even factored in power bills, any kind of cable, phone or anything else.

Now, tell me what you consider cheap for these people who do not qualify for any kind of assistance because they make too much money?




$960 a month is an understatement to begin with.

flu shot-$25. Cant afford it? find one of many free clinics, or work 3 hours overtime and buy another pack of cigarettes with the change.




tazzygirl -> RE: Health care lesson (9/29/2010 2:08:30 PM)

so now you post. welcome willbe. your "inspiring" posts on other health care threads promted this one, im sure you know that.

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$960 a month is an understatement to begin with.


Not really. Its based upon an 8 dollar an hour job, 40 hours a week (very few jobs at that wage give that many hours) working 4 weeks a month. 25% removed for taxes... all taxes.

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flu shot-$25. Cant afford it? find one of many free clinics, or work 3 hours overtime and buy another pack of cigarettes with the change.


Oddly enough, i went to the CVS web site. They are promoting a free flu shot this year for uninsured and unemployed people. They offer one clinic in delaware. Two in RI, 2 in Arizona, 1 in Iowa, 2 in Maine, 3 in Maryland, 2 in Minnesota, 1 in Nevada, 2 in New Mexico, 3 in New Jersey, 1 in Montana, 2 in Nebraska, 3 in Missouri, 2 in Vermont, 1 in DC. California and Texas have huge listings.

But these are only for existing patients in their data bases.

http://www.cvs.com/CVSApp/cvscontent/landingpages/rx/rx10021_flu/Clinic_locations.pdf

Health Departments offer free flu shots for those with medicaid or medicare. Everyone else pays.

The Health Department’s walk-in clinic provides flu shots as a covered benefit to people with Medicare Part B who are not in an HMO and may get vaccine from any Medicare-approved provider.

The charge is $25 for others, including Medicare Part B subscribers in an HMO who are restricted to getting flu shots as a covered benefit only from their primary care provider.

Nasal spray vaccine is available for $10, but is only approved for people from 2 to 49 years old who have no chronic medical condition.


http://www.achd.net/flu/flulinks.html

And, as of yet, no free flu shots available in the Pittsburgh area. But time still remains for them to decide if they will provide a free shot.




thishereboi -> RE: Health care lesson (9/29/2010 4:40:34 PM)

Sorry about that. Here is a more recent one http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/6716481-cvs-rite-aid-and-walgreen-giving-away-millions-in-flu-shots

The quote on 25 and 30 were from phone calls I made this morning.

And yes, I would have considered that cheap when I was only making 8 an hour. Budgeting really sucks, but it can be done.




tazzygirl -> RE: Health care lesson (9/29/2010 5:35:40 PM)

I addressed that web site already. They require that you already be a part of their patient data base.




TheHeretic -> RE: Health care lesson (9/29/2010 8:26:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
flu shot-$25. Cant afford it? find one of many free clinics, or work 3 hours overtime and buy another pack of cigarettes with the change.



If you are living at the economic level where $15-25 is a big deal, the first question is, "how important is a damn flu shot, anyway?" The general rule is that it's babies and old people who are likely to die of it. If you always get a miserable sinus infection instead, the money is better tucked away for Advil Cold and Sinus (which health insurance doesn't pay for anyway). If you get the flu every year, then it's going to become a priority. If it is a priority, get creative, and keep your eyes open for manna. Convince the boss that giving you $20 for a flu shot is cheaper than you being out sick, or even just sick at work, volunteer at the senior center on the day they are giving free shots to the elderly, disguise yourself as a crazy person and hit the clinic at the homeless shelter. If it needs to happen, make it happen. Opportunities are everywhere.

If flu shots are the great argument for nationalizing healthcare, I'm not going to be persuaded.

Wilbur, you do realize that clocking overtime will get you fired by some employers, right?




KatyLied -> RE: Health care lesson (9/29/2010 8:36:28 PM)

I find it hard to believe that there is not something or one thing or two things in the range of $25 that you just can not give up or live without.  




tazzygirl -> RE: Health care lesson (9/29/2010 10:18:33 PM)

So, now here is another question.

Are flu shots for the individual or the community?




WyldHrt -> RE: Health care lesson (9/29/2010 11:25:41 PM)

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I find it hard to believe that there is not something or one thing or two things in the range of $25 that you just can not give up or live without.

There is... a flu shot.

I'm not currently in completely dire financial circumstances, but I have been there. When the choice is between paying a bill  and a flu shot, guess which is going to win? When the choice is eating ramen for a week and getting the shot or eating actual food and skipping the shot, guess which is going to win? The fact is, when you are really strapped, you are a hell of a lot more concerned about immediate needs than the greater good. For someone who hasn't had the flu in years and is worried about how to make the rent, getting the shot isn't even on the radar.




WyldHrt -> RE: Health care lesson (9/29/2010 11:43:00 PM)

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$960 a month is an understatement to begin with.

No, it isn't. BTDT
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flu shot-$25. Cant afford it? work 3 hours overtime and buy another pack of cigarettes with the change.

LOL! Must be nice to have a job where you can just decide to work overtime. I don't hit overtime until I've worked 60 hours in a week, and my hours have been cut to 32-35. My boss would have apoplexy if I worked 3 extra hours straight time.

Please stop talking out your ass, Wilbur. 




BeingChewsie -> RE: Health care lesson (9/30/2010 7:46:30 AM)


Both. However flu shots are not mandated for the whole population and lots of people who can afford to get them or can get them for free through employers/schools do not get them.


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

So, now here is another question.

Are flu shots for the individual or the community?




tazzygirl -> RE: Health care lesson (9/30/2010 7:31:15 PM)

And there are just as many who cannot take them due to weakened immune systems, allergies and disease processes.

Immunizations have almost become mandatory. By that i mean you can rarely sign up a child for the school year without proof, sports, in most cases, require the same. Even college admissions often ask for such information. Of course you dont have to get your child immunized, but if you dont, little johhny or suzie cannot go.

But why is this? Some say its government sticking its nose in too far. I suppose a case can be made for that. But at what point does the individual rights end (or begin) and the community at large rights begin (or end)?

Even with TB, they cannot force someone to take the medication. But they can keep that individual isolated.

So, to say that health care is an individual problem is a lie. To say its a community problem is also a lie.

Where would you (meaning anyone reading this) draw the line between the individual and the community, keeping in mind that many in the community may be at higher risk, and need, than others, and also keeping in mind the rights of the individual?




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