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Stuxnet "attackware" targeted malware - 9/28/2010 5:09:21 PM   
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This is amazing stuff...

"Cyber security experts say they have identified the world's first known cyber super weapon designed specifically to destroy a real-world target – a factory, a refinery, or just maybe a nuclear power plant."

Take care where you stick those USB sticks. The amazing thing is it loads itself without any user action whatsoever.

My guess is it's a joint CIA/Mossad venture with a mole in the Russian company that built the reactor. Or maybe a mole inside Siemens.

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RE: Stuxnet "attackware" targeted malware - 9/28/2010 9:45:20 PM   
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RE: Stuxnet "attackware" targeted malware - 9/29/2010 1:34:26 AM   
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RE: Stuxnet "attackware" targeted malware - 9/29/2010 3:54:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Beautiful, just beautiful.  I'd heard for years that Israel would be forced to attack Iran to wipe out its nuclear "reactor" (cough, cough), but this is so much more simple and involves no civilians deaths or even injuries.

And, yes, I'm assuming that this emanated from Israel.  It was done so professionally and effectively and quietly...


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RE: Stuxnet "attackware" targeted malware - 9/29/2010 7:05:24 AM   
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And, yes, I'm assuming that this emanated from Israel. It was done so professionally and effectively and quietly...


A bit like their attack on the civilians on board the Mavi Marmara...

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RE: Stuxnet "attackware" targeted malware - 9/29/2010 7:27:41 AM   
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Attacking and disabling of computer hardware/systems has been going on for about as long as computers have been around. Nothing news worthy or surprising about it.

I'm sure it wouldn't be the first time a government has attempted this either.


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RE: Stuxnet "attackware" targeted malware - 9/29/2010 8:53:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		OH yeah I heard about this a few weeks ago. THis is really cool stuff and I can't wait to delve deeper into security and see how we come up with defenses against this type of attack. The amount of knowledge required to create this is amazing. I am simply impressed and wish to take a peek at the code and see how it works. Well, try to see how it works. :-)

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RE: Stuxnet "attackware" targeted malware - 9/29/2010 8:56:59 AM   
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but this is so much more simple and involves no civilians deaths or even injuries.


Umm that isn't necessarily true. They aren't sure what the new instructions the code delivers, so it is possible that the damage the code causes can result in a meltdown or a series of explosions or accidents. All of which can result in the loss of civilian lives.


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RE: Stuxnet "attackware" targeted malware - 9/29/2010 9:04:42 AM   
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OH yeah I heard about this a few weeks ago. THis is really cool stuff and I can't wait to delve deeper into security and see how we come up with defenses against this type of attack. The amount of knowledge required to create this is amazing. I am simply impressed and wish to take a peek at the code and see how it works. Well, try to see how it works. :-)
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RE: Stuxnet "attackware" targeted malware - 9/29/2010 12:18:34 PM   
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And, yes, I'm assuming that this emanated from Israel. It was done so professionally and effectively and quietly...


A bit like their attack on the civilians on board the Mavi Marmara...



ROLF. Spoken like the anti-Semite you are.

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RE: Stuxnet "attackware" targeted malware - 9/29/2010 12:32:01 PM   
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Before I left the US Air Force in 1983, several of my buddies and I speculated that cyber war would be the next "world war".  I would think this the first successful attack, in that war.  You will see more and more of this kind of shit in the next few years, and look for the usual "powers" to be the leaders in this new type of warfare.


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RE: Stuxnet "attackware" targeted malware - 9/29/2010 1:54:41 PM   
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Before I left the US Air Force in 1983, several of my buddies and I speculated that cyber war would be the next "world war".  I would think this the first successful attack, in that war.  You will see more and more of this kind of shit in the next few years, and look for the usual "powers" to be the leaders in this new type of warfare.


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Presuming this is an attack, and I am not at all certain it is, is the unprovoked and unannounced nature of the attack at all significant? It doesn't sound like the behaviour of a democratic state, for sure.

Wouldn't it be just too ironic if the real target is somewhere in the US, and all those people who are currently cheer-leading for the Zionists are about to discover that actually, a sneak attack of this sort could have some very real and unpleasant consequences for a civilian population?

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RE: Stuxnet "attackware" targeted malware - 9/29/2010 2:04:41 PM   
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ROLF. Spoken like the anti-Semite you are.


That's fine - I can ignore your dumb ass, no problem.

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RE: Stuxnet "attackware" targeted malware - 9/29/2010 4:13:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		The problem is, no matter the target for stuxnet, that the hard work has now been done. The research to find the vulnerability in the USB protocol and siemens systems is done. The code to spread the program and to identify the system to attack and all the rest of it is done. All malicious hackers need to do is identify the module that does the identification and the module(s) that take over the process and customize them for new targets. This may quickly become like what happened with visual basic script based viri and he so called "script kiddies." IOW now that the basic tools are available these attacks may become quite common until the vulnerabilities involved are corrected.

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RE: Stuxnet "attackware" targeted malware - 9/29/2010 5:04:08 PM   
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Wouldn't it be just too ironic if the real target is somewhere in the US, and all those people who are currently cheer-leading for the Zionists are about to discover that actually, a sneak attack of this sort could have some very real and unpleasant consequences for a civilian population?



Look, hertz, this is a bad situation any way you slice it.  I have been taking it for granted that Iran has been developing a nuclear weapon.  If so, then either Iran becomes a nuclear power, or else some nation, either Israel or the US, would bomb Iran and touch off God knows what in the Middle East.  Either outcome would be horrific.

I am tickled pink that there is another option.

And the folks who determined the target are pretty damn good.  They used espionage to determine what hardware and software is in the "reactor", and made code that is way more sophisticated than anything seen to date.  Not to mention that they ran the entire thing as a covert op with no leaks.  There's no way that a bunch of loosely organized terrorists could have pulled this one off.


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RE: Stuxnet "attackware" targeted malware - 9/30/2010 1:56:58 AM   
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ummm, how come we know of it then ? Or do they mean no leaks until the proper time.

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RE: Stuxnet "attackware" targeted malware - 9/30/2010 5:12:15 AM   
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"Not to mention that they ran the entire thing as a covert op with no leaks.",

ummm, how come we know of it then ? Or do they mean no leaks until the proper time.

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It was discovered due to its existence, not because anyone who made it (and it was a team that did so) talked about it.


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RE: Stuxnet "attackware" targeted malware - 9/30/2010 7:18:56 AM   
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Look, hertz, this is a bad situation any way you slice it.  I have been taking it for granted that Iran has been developing a nuclear weapon.


Given the UK, Israeli and US government records of blatantly lying about other nations in order to create the pretext for an attack, I haven't been taking anything for granted.

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If so, then either Iran becomes a nuclear power, or else some nation, either Israel or the US, would bomb Iran and touch off God knows what in the Middle East.  Either outcome would be horrific.


Even if not, then the axis of evil  - US, UK and Israel, may well attack anyway, given past form, and touch off a new wave of terrorism inside the US itself.

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I am tickled pink that there is another option.


It's not another option, in my opinion. It looks like one, but it is just as dangerous as any other unannounced attack on a foreign state.

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And the folks who determined the target are pretty damn good.  They used espionage to determine what hardware and software is in the "reactor", and made code that is way more sophisticated than anything seen to date.


We don't know that. We don't even know for sure what the target is. It could be a US facility as easily as anything else. I've read a bit recently suggesting the target could be in India, since many of the same systems are present in plant there. I don't think we have enough evidence to know what is going on at the moment (or, if we do, it hasn't been widely published). As for the code being more sophisticated than anything to date - that's the nature of the beast. Worms and viruses increase in complexity all the time as new ways of screwing with Windows are uncovered.

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Not to mention that they ran the entire thing as a covert op with no leaks.  There's no way that a bunch of loosely organized terrorists could have pulled this one off.


Why not? Why even terrorists? It could be some IT student working from her bedroom. We don't know enough yet.



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RE: Stuxnet "attackware" targeted malware - 9/30/2010 7:38:52 AM   
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Easy enough to bypass, just isolate the factory or plant from the outside world computerwise. Have a small shack next door with internet access and just print up any messages on paper and deliver to the plant.


Not so simple.  I believe the (a) vector is a USB drive.

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RE: Stuxnet "attackware" targeted malware - 9/30/2010 7:44:44 AM   
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but this is so much more simple and involves no civilians deaths or even injuries.

Umm that isn't necessarily true. They aren't sure what the new instructions the code delivers, so it is possible that the damage the code causes can result in a meltdown or a series of explosions or accidents. All of which can result in the loss of civilian lives.

And we don't know what other types of critical systems (e.g., medical) might be collaterally damaged.

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