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Caius -> RE: Flu Shot -- shall i or shall i not (10/2/2010 1:44:12 PM)
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
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ORIGINAL: thornhappy
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
Read the above...$Billions later....where is the pandemic ?
H1N1 is a pandemic. It's all over the world now. It spread rapidly.
Remember when the breakout occured in Mexico, there were a lot of fatalities. Based on those deaths, and some of the early ones in the US, there was a fear that this was going to be 1918 all over again. It had some of the same traits, attacking the young adults...and pregnant women. That's what drove the vaccine development.
I've seen regular flu so bad in SoCal that LA was having to push patients to OC, and OC was pushing theirs to San Diego. Elective surgeries were cancelled due to a lack of bed space and ill hospital staff. It doesn't take an H1 flu to hammer a population.
I have asthma and would get a flu and the pneumonia vaccine soon but can't until December at the earliest.
ALL of you read these...and weep. All of those flus since 1918 hadn't ever been judged a pandemic and had cause death world-wide.
Here, Here too
LMAO, seriously, these are the articles you want to use to support your argument here? The first is a bizarre, semi-intelligible conspiracy theory that couldn't be more asinine and cliche if it tried to tie-in with a dual premise that the illuminati killed JFK to cover up the faking of the lunar landing. The thing is so goofy I'd almost think it were a joke -- a caricature of the position you are espousing -- if not for the convoluted and confused, almost stream of consciousness nature of the narrative so typical conspiracy theories. Seriously, how can you not understand that if you want to win people over to your stance that we should be skeptical about the motives of pharmaceutical companies (not in itself a ridiculous argument) that you need to avoid citing the likes of this:
" The forged “Knights of Malta” list was used by journalist Benjamin Fulford, a Canadian working in Japan, linked to the “‘Black Dragon Society,’ which, folks, in case you didn’t know, are JAPANESE ASSASSINS [emphasis in original, lol],” Harle protested after receiving Fulford’s death threat. "
The second article is from what seems to be a site dedicated to a hyperbolic and one-dimensional exaltation of homeopathic medicine and all-natural supplements and a corresponding demonization of conventional treatments. Because nothing makes your point about the need to be skeptical about an industry better than unhesitatingly jumping onboard with the opinions of their competitors. And seriously, you want to talk about snake-oil and scare tactics? No other source even approaches the homeopathic cures movement in either regard.
You are right about one thing though -- those links do have me weeping a little, but mostly as the result of laughter and just a little out of pity for the lunatic fringe.
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
After 29 days of exposure and 8 days of hype, in Mexico there were 12 confirmed deaths...not 1000's. It in fact did not 'spread' as fast as others had. The manufactured panic spread faster than the virus, to stoke fear and have govt. waste $Billions.
No more people died and in fact from other flu than those confirmed as dying from H1N1 or swine. Flu of many kinds are 'all over the world' and are causing deaths but they are NOT called a pandemic. They didn't stoke fear and a new vaccine in 3 days, exempt from testing and liability.
In Mexico the WHO examined one case on one person nearby a large chicken farm where they did no investigation to see if desease could have originated there. They then hyped the case as H1N1 avian or swine flu.
I guess...whatever needs a boost in sales...pick one.
Utter and complete bullshit. There were nearly 400 deaths in Mexico that were confirmed results of H1N1. And this number is dwarfed by the 3, 500 deaths suspected to be a result of the strain in the U.S. and the perhaps 15, 000 worldwide. The vaccine was not released inside three days, it was developed over the course of months. Do you have any idea how technically infeasible it is to develop a vaccine in three days?
All of which is rather besides the point. The fact of the matter is, when you are dealing with a highly virulent pathogen, you don't have the luxury of waiting around to find out of it's really got worldwide pandemic potential if you are tasked with safeguarding public health. You do everything in your power to stop its spread. And maybe, if you do your job right, and are really lucky, you manage to contain it to a significant it so successfully that people question what the whole scare was about in the first place conspiracy nuts get to villanize you for being a fear-monger. Of course, if you're unlucky and it does spread to such a degree that no one can deny the reality of its threat, those same people will be going off about how you let the disease spread (or manufactured it yourself) so that you could sell as much of the vaccine as possible. And yes, of course these things do tend to get blown out of proportion in the popular media, but that's what the media does best, capitalize on whatever grabs attention most immediately, it doesn't mean they are in the pocket of/deviously conspiring with the actors in that day's particular drama. And again, we like to find fault with them for going overboard, but how much more pissed would we be if they didn't send up the alarm and truly devastating catastrophe was the result?
Now I caution you with regard to your response here. Remember, with my opposition to the obvious truth, I could very well be in on the conspiracy and, if so, I have access to yakuza assassins!
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