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Tell again how the GOP support women???Coburn, DeMint B... - 9/29/2010 6:46:28 PM   
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Coburn, DeMint Block National Women’s History Museum Because ‘Quilters’ And ‘Cowgirl’ Museums Already Exist
This week, Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) made the “unilateral decision to end legislative activity in the Senate.” In co-opting complete control of Senate business, DeMint has picked up the mantle of veteran obstructionist Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) in blocking any bill that does not meet his personal “parameters.” Now, both Coburn and DeMint have joined forces to target a bill celebrating women’s history. In a letter to Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), Coburn and DeMint decided to place a “hold” on a bill “that would sell land near the Smithsonian Institution for the National Women’s History Museum.” The bill, which would allow a private group to use private funds to purchase the land, passed the House last year and has bipartisan support in the Senate. However, the two senators cite three objections to this “laudable undertaking”: taxpayer burden, abortion politics, and redundancy:
The senators say their concerns are financial: Though the museum would pay fair market value for the land, the group has raised little money. And they said the new institution would duplicate more than 100 similar museums — some of which already get taxpayer subsidies. Abortion politics are also in play: The senators’ action came two days after the Concerned Women for America, a conservative group, wrote DeMint asking for a hold. The group’s CEO, Penny Nance, wrote in July that the museum would “focus on abortion rights without featuring any of the many contributions of the pro-life movement in America.”[...] In their hold letter to Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, the GOP senators said the museum was “a laudable undertaking.” But while the museum isn’t asking for a subsidy now, Coburn and DeMint said “taxpayers simply cannot be guaranteed of this in the future.”
The reasons behind the hold “just don’t hold water.” First, as stated on the National Women’s History Museum organization’s (NWHM) website, the federal government “is not underwriting the cost of this museum with taxpayer dollars. It rests upon NWHM “to raise no less than $150 million to build this museum privately.” Secondly, according to NWHM CEO Joan Wages, there will be no reproductive rights exhibit because “we have to raise $400 million. We cannot afford, literally, to focus on issues that are divisive.” And, as the New York Times’s Gail Collins revealed Sunday, the redundancy argument completely dries out under scrutiny. When asked what entities the new museum would duplicate, Coburn suggested that quilters and cowgirls were sufficient to tell the entire story of American women:
The office sent me a list of the entities in question. They include the Quilters Hall of Fame in Indiana, the National Cowgirl Museum and Hall of Fame in Texas and the Hulda Klager Lilac Gardens in Washington. There also were a number of homes of famous women and some fine small collections of exhibits about a particular locality or subject. But, really, Senator Coburn’s list pretty much proved the point that this country really needs one great museum that can chart the whole, big amazing story.
Both Coburn and DeMint are notoriously and predictably anti-women’s rights. Both voted against an amendment allowing justice for sexual assault victims and opposed a rape victim’s right to seek an abortion. In fact, Coburn has registered his belief that health coverage for mammograms is purely “political” and abortion is part of the “gay agenda” whose practitioners deserve the “death penalty.” It is unfortunately predictable that such contempt for the health and security of American women would translate into contempt for the history. Having sufficiently relegated women’s history to blankets and lilacs, Coburn selected animals as a new target today. On the Senate floor this morning, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) asked unanimous consent to pass the Crane Conservation Act, the Marine Mammal Rescue Assistance amendments, the Great Cats and Rare Canids Act, the Shark Conservation Act, and the Southern Sea Otter Recovery and Research Act. Coburn objected to each request.

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RE: Tell again how the GOP support women???Coburn, DeMi... - 9/29/2010 7:18:50 PM   
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The older I get, the more politicized I am becoming.

Now, the word "Karma" means "action", which means that any deed I perform in the present affects my spiritual development in future lives. So I will not take any action detrimental to that development. But I can sure as hell hope that those pigfuckers die protracted exceedingly painful deaths.

They are subhuman scum, pure and simple.

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RE: Tell again how the GOP support women???Coburn, DeMi... - 9/29/2010 7:22:40 PM   
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This museum would be a complete and total waste of money. This is why the dems are in big trouble with the voters. Where does the spending end ?

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RE: Tell again how the GOP support women???Coburn, DeMi... - 9/29/2010 8:39:01 PM   
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This museum would be a complete and total waste of money.

Since it wouldn't be your money in any way shape or form, what concern of it is to you?

This is an entirely private museum being built with private donations. The Senate bill would just authorize selling the group, at a fair market price, the land the museum would be on.

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RE: Tell again how the GOP support women???Coburn, DeMi... - 9/30/2010 5:06:53 AM   
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Then explain this :

First, as stated on the National Women’s History Museum organization’s (NWHM) website, the federal government “is not underwriting the cost of this museum with taxpayer dollars. It rests upon NWHM “to raise no less than $150 million to build this museum privately.”


that means with NO taxpayer money, since facts mean noting to the GOP here is their response:  "But while the museum isn’t asking for a subsidy now, Coburn and DeMint said “taxpayers simply cannot be guaranteed of this in the future.”

Gee, we won't vote for it, because it will not cost us any money today, but it might in the future????  Isn't that how the GOP paid for the war when they where in power, never in the budget, all borrowed from China,  The GOP slogan should be We don't spend we borrow


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RE: Tell again how the GOP support women???Coburn, DeMi... - 9/30/2010 5:09:04 AM   
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The GOP slogan should be We don't spend we borrow


And the Dems can use "yea we know it's wrong, but they did it first" as theirs.

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RE: Tell again how the GOP support women???Coburn, DeMi... - 9/30/2010 5:11:01 AM   
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The GOP slogan should be We don't spend we borrow


And the Dems can use "yea we know it's wrong, but they did it first" as theirs.


Correct on both counts, except that the GOP should say "We spend because we think we'll never need to pay it back."


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RE: Tell again how the GOP support women???Coburn, DeMi... - 9/30/2010 5:14:20 AM   
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The group that wants this museum should come back to congress next year with the 150 million needed to pay for it.

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RE: Tell again how the GOP support women???Coburn, DeMi... - 9/30/2010 5:34:41 AM   
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The group that wants this museum should come back to congress next year with the 150 million needed to pay for it.


Deficits don't matter.

Do you remember who originated that phrase?





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RE: Tell again how the GOP support women???Coburn, DeMi... - 9/30/2010 5:38:40 AM   
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They matter to me.

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RE: Tell again how the GOP support women???Coburn, DeMi... - 9/30/2010 5:42:15 AM   
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If deficits matter, then why refuse to sell land to a private group? They can come back later and ask for money, doesnt mean they have to get it. This all seems rediculous in light of the massive debt this country has.

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RE: Tell again how the GOP support women???Coburn, DeMi... - 9/30/2010 5:46:19 AM   
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Projects like this are the exact reason we are in the mess we are in. The deficit is so big now, why not just add some more to it. We have to start going the other way. They can buy the land when they have the money to buy the land.

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RE: Tell again how the GOP support women???Coburn, DeMi... - 9/30/2010 6:10:17 AM   
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They matter to me.


I'm sure they do...............NOW.

Tell me, were you complaining about deficits when Reagan was doubling the national debt? 

You remember Uncle Ronnie, that model of fiscal restraint that conservatives hold as a bright, shining example of how government should be run.

How about when Dubya was doing the same thing?  Did you have teabags hanging from your hat while you loudly proclaimed "take our country back"?


washingtonpost.com: Reagan Policies Gave Green Light to Red Ink


The line is not likely to make this week's eulogies to Ronald Reagan, but when Vice President Cheney allegedly declared, "Reagan proved deficits don't matter," he summed up an enduring argument from the former president's economic legacy.


In late 2002, Cheney had summoned the Bush administration's economic team to his office to discuss another round of tax cuts to stimulate the economy. Then-Treasury Secretary Paul H. O'Neill pleaded that the government -- already running a $158 billion deficit -- was careering toward a fiscal crisis. But by O'Neill's account of the meeting, Cheney silenced him by invoking his take on Reagan's legacy.

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RE: Tell again how the GOP support women???Coburn, DeMi... - 9/30/2010 6:14:46 AM   
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When Reagan was president I was working 60 to 70 hours a week repairing phone lines and supporting my family. I didn't have time to worry about politics 30 years ago.

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RE: Tell again how the GOP support women???Coburn, DeMi... - 9/30/2010 6:22:57 AM   
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When Reagan was president I was working 60 to 70 hours a week repairing phone lines and supporting my family. I didn't have time to worry about politics 30 years ago.


Did you worry about politics when Bush was also doubling the national debt?

I'm pretty sure the answer is yes because you were posting here then.

I just don't remember you mentioning the deficits the Bush administration had every year he was in office after inheriting a surplus from Clinton.

Maybe you were still tired from all that work repairing phone lines and then you discovered energy drinks after Obama was elected.

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RE: Tell again how the GOP support women???Coburn, DeMi... - 9/30/2010 6:30:43 AM   
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Here we go again, (an old Reagan debate line). Bush Never spent over a trillion dollars in 17 months.

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RE: Tell again how the GOP support women???Coburn, DeMi... - 9/30/2010 7:21:25 AM   
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Thats whats gonna happen when you pay for a war that most was held off the books for 8 years on an administration change, someone wants the uncooked books on it. 

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RE: Tell again how the GOP support women???Coburn, DeMi... - 9/30/2010 7:37:45 AM   
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Here we go again, (an old Reagan debate line). Bush Never spent over a trillion dollars in 17 months.


Absolutely right, here we go again.

Because you get your facts from the Palm Beach fat ass and blindly accept them as the truth.


PolitiFact

On Jan. 7, 2009, two weeks before Obama took office, the CBO reported the deficit was projected to be $1.2 trillion.


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RE: Tell again how the GOP support women???Coburn, DeMi... - 9/30/2010 10:37:22 AM   
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Projects like this are the exact reason we are in the mess we are in. The deficit is so big now, why not just add some more to it. We have to start going the other way. They can buy the land when they have the money to buy the land.

Are you sure? There's those who think it might have something to do with the cost of occupying a couple of countries in the middle east, paying OPEC stupid amounts for oil imports, and having an economy mostly based on a credit bubble which collapsed a couple of years back, rather than actually manufacturing much of anything.

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