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RE: Unrealistic expectations - 10/4/2010 1:33:06 AM   
MaamJay


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pinniped ... if you were here in the GOOD country ... I'd be interested!! So you are NOT unattractive to everyone!

I totally agree with Lockit, at the moment you are so full of negative self-talk that you are highly likely to be sending out negative vibes, probably entirely unconsciously. People mostly read body language, and I suspect yours is shouting "i'm worthless, don't bother with me!" So, not too surprisingly, they don't.

There's no need to be unrealistic and try to convince yourself you are the catch of the century either. But you do need to look at those positives, focus on them, and realise there should be a Woman out there who has those qualities on Her "highly desired in a sub" list. Let's list them (with My commentary as to why these are attractive):

1. Assuming the photo is you, you have an attractive face with a nice open expression. You seem to be of a good weight (I can't be against large people since I am one!), but also, you're not a stick insect (I don't find really skinny, or hard and lean attractive).
2. I see sincerity in your eyes, and your mouth looks like you laugh easily.
3. You have hair!! (I admit to being biased against bald, I like something to grab).
4. You are intelligent. YAY!!
5. You have wide-ranging interests ... double YAY!! That means you can converse on a variety of subjects already AND you are likely to take an active interest in whatever your Domme is into.
6. You have a great sense of humour ... I can't emphasise enough how important this is! Much better to have a sub You can laugh with when You fall over on Your high heels and face-plant into his groin ...
7. You are a good communicator. That just about gets Me wet! You can string words together and do so unbidden ... and what's more you can do it in WRITING too! Enough to make Me swoon!
8. You can pass for normal when you need to ... great, that means you won't embarrass Me at auntie's funeral or wherever. In a lifestyle relationship, a Domme needs to be able to trust you to behave appropriately wherever She needs to take you.
9. Foot massages! Well, there's a nice bonus! If you want to add to your skills base, go and do a course to learn how to give proper full body massages. Few Dommes would not appreciate a skilled masseur.

I'm sure you probably have other good qualities you haven't thought to mention. For example, do you have good table manners? Undervalued perhaps, but try living with someone who doesn't and you quickly begin to appreciate them! My ex hubby thought it cool to open his mouth wide and kinda fold an entire piece of toast into his mouth in one go at breakfast, it was so nauseating I stopped having breakfast at the same time!

Are you polite? Do you naturally say please and thank you and treat people politely in everyday life? From the way you have posted over time, I would bet that you are.

Are you kind-hearted? Do you like animals and treat them well? I judge a lot of folks on how they treat My pets. And I should've paid more attention to My old cat's reaction to My ex ... would've saved Me a lot of grief!

Are you attentive? Do you follow what is being said AND remember it? After someone has told you they like carnations for example, do you remember and take a bunch of those for a surprise gift, or do you forget and turn up with roses or chrysanthemums instead?

Are you a good friend? Do you take the time and effort to phone them and keep in touch, or do you expect them to do all that? Do you send a card on their birthday in time?

All these qualities are WAYYYY more important to Me than how much you earn, how taut your abs are, or what type of career you have. Yes I want a sub who is able to support himself, I can't afford to support him. But beyond that, as long as he makes responsible fiscal decisions, I don't give a rats arse as to where he is on the work hierarchy. And I don't expect a sub to serve and serve with nothing in it for him. That's simply unfair from where I stand.

So, as to shyness, well, I was also shy by nature. But I made a deliberate decision that I wouldn't let that stand in My way and resolved to change. Most people who know Me today laugh hysterically when I say that I was shy. Yet I can still BE shy in certain situations. Try being at a conference with 2,600 delegates including 8 Nobel Prizewinners!! Shy? Shit, I was terrified!! It took a HUGE effort of will to walk in there to the opening social occasion and start talking to someone, anyone. Know what? Most of those I talked to were just as terrified LOL! And relieved that someone had struck up a conversation with them. One such person turned out to be the nanny for one of the Nobel laureates ... which meant I even got to meet him! And he was such a nice man to talk to. Shyness largely comes from fear and a feeling of being unworthy or different, lowly. The key is to realise this ... you are a human being ... they are human beings! That's something you have in common, start from there. Yes I was nervous as all hell when I first went to a bdsm event ... but they were just people too. Some I liked, some I didn't. Don't go looking to only speak to Dommes, just go to chat in general, make friends in general. Men, women, D or s ... just go and get known. Be helpful ... nothing advertises "good sub" than someone who is willing to lend a hand at an event. It could be taking around a plate of food to help the host (great way to meet people!), it could be staying behind to help empty the trashcan and stack the chairs! Genuine helpfulness is talked about in a very positive way. Shyness doesn't have to cripple you ... and under control, it can be quite an endearing quality, better than over brashness any day. Turn what you see as a negative into a positive, make it work for you. Think of it this way, your Domme won't have to worry that you'll be eyeballing and trying to score with every woman in town when Her back is turned! She'll know that you had to overcome your shyness to be with Her and that it isn't in your nature to be chasing every bit of skirt.

In terms of who is doing the Hunting ... well as we've seen, different Women have different takes on that. Once you find someone whom you are interested in ... make a polite approach and see. Ask Her what She prefers! I'm not an aggressive hunter but I also don't want to be aggressively hunted, I see it as both people's responsibility to further the relationship. I don't want to do all the damn work and I don't expect the other party to either. But I do expect him to keep up his end of the bargain, to follow through on what he says he will do (eg phone if he says he will) and to be honest with Me about what he can and can't do.

Now, I don't think I am unique. Special may be ... but not unique. I am sure there are other Dommes who think similarly. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to firstly realistically assess ALL your good qualities, and remind yourself of them OFTEN, just as Lockit suggested. Start believing in yourself as an overall good bloke who has a lot to offer a potential partner. Then, get moving and get out there!

Maam Jay aka violet[A]



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RE: Unrealistic expectations - 10/4/2010 12:02:32 PM   
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@pinniped

You seem depressed. Bad mood and depression can be sensed by other people. They are also very big turn offs that block whatever else good you have going for you.

Forget about your search for a while and focus on yourself. Find good things about yourself, start liking yourself, and regain your confidence. Helping others through volunteering, or working out in a gym, or getting an exciting new hobby are usually good way to change one's mood and regain confidence. Sitting at home watching tv/internet or reading books will depress you even more. If you can't figure out what to do, just do the first step and go outside to experience new things - take a bus ride and go explore new part of the town or visit new local stores and chat with their owners.


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RE: Unrealistic expectations - 10/4/2010 1:48:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer

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ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009
Perhaps it is because even dominant women still harbor Cinderella fantasies.  Maybe they still desire to be swept off their feet by a handsome prince, even though they intend to fuck him with their strap-on once they get him home.


Oh hells no.  The minute a man comes on to me aggressively, or tries to "sweep me off my feet", the chemistry's gone and I'm no longer attracted.  I have to be the pursuer, and he has to be too shy to make a move on me, he has to let me do all the pursuing, or I'm seriously turned off.  I don't think any attraction I had could survive being aggressively courted.



LOL!  I loved this response.  I guess it is very clear exactly where you stand on this issue. 

As you know, this topic has come up quite a few times in the past.  The Dommes on here seem to be quite split on who they think should do the pursuing.  As I mentioned, that always seemed odd to me.  I guess I see things from a classical male paradigm, so in my view, the dominant party should do the pursuing.  You seem to see it the same way.  But many on here see it very differently.  Though she is no longer active on this board, Lady Angelika used to be one of the most vocal advocates for the opinion that submissive men should still court dominant women and "sweep them off their feet".

I have learned to go with the flow.  If she wants to do the pursuing, then I let myself be pursued.  If she want me to pursue her, than I am more than capable of doing that.

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RE: Unrealistic expectations - 10/4/2010 3:48:43 PM   
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I like your profile. I like your looks. And I like your post(s). If you were within range, I'd be pleased to take you on for the occasional weekend or whatnot. As it is, I'm happily fixed in middle Oregon, not seeking an only, and eleven hundred miles away from your location. Pity.

Lady Delilah Deb

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RE: Unrealistic expectations - 10/4/2010 8:53:23 PM   
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Well, Oregon is at least a place I pass through every now and then...well, ok, maybe once every ten years. :)  But not quite as remote as the ladies who usually like my profile....

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RE: Unrealistic expectations - 10/4/2010 8:59:54 PM   
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As far as the courting thing goes, the numbers game also can't help but affect matters.  If one side of the equation greatly outnumbers the other, then it stands to reason that the members of the larger group are going to have to be aggressive to get anyplace, whereas the smaller group is likely to get more offers than they want.  Certainly I have heard many dominant women comment about the sheer volume of mail their profiles attract (they also comment about the quality, but that's another issue).

What bothers me more is the knowledge that there are probably a lot of women out there who would enjoy occasional, perhaps even frequent, kinky play, but aren't so focused on it that they see a need to seek it out specifically (or are too shy/embarrassed/concerned about their reputation to be even a tad public about it).  How does one go about finding one of those women?  It's a quandry.

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RE: Unrealistic expectations - 10/4/2010 9:59:58 PM   
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I know LP and I harp on this incessantly. If you want to meet other people, you have to leave the house. Find a scene, involve yourself in it. Talk to everyone, revgardless of gender or orientation.

Women who want to play are not shy, they are selective. If you know that you lack social skills work on getting them. Find a wingman. Befriend munch and party hosts. Talking about obstacles does not help overcome them.



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RE: Unrealistic expectations - 10/5/2010 6:45:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pinniped

As far as the courting thing goes, the numbers game also can't help but affect matters.  If one side of the equation greatly outnumbers the other, then it stands to reason that the members of the larger group are going to have to be aggressive to get anyplace, whereas the smaller group is likely to get more offers than they want.  Certainly I have heard many dominant women comment about the sheer volume of mail their profiles attract (they also comment about the quality, but that's another issue).

What bothers me more is the knowledge that there are probably a lot of women out there who would enjoy occasional, perhaps even frequent, kinky play, but aren't so focused on it that they see a need to seek it out specifically (or are too shy/embarrassed/concerned about their reputation to be even a tad public about it).  How does one go about finding one of those women?  It's a quandry.


Those women are out dating other men through other means.  You still aren't going to be able to just sit back and wait for them to come to you.  If that method worked, you wouldn't have created the thread in the first place. 

There are plenty of people that don't play in public, but they still meet people in public.  People who don't attend munches aren't just sitting at home, waiting for some kinky person to contact them on the internet.  They are out living their lives.

You say that you're bothered by the knowledge that there are supposedly all of these women out there, but you just can't find them.  Has it occurred to you that might not be how the situation really is?  That's the "two in the bush" idea, rather than "the bird in the hand".  You can keep hoping to discover kinky people through other venues.  Personally, I prefer doing it the other way.  I can hope there are kinky people at the bookstore.  I know there are kinky people at a munch.

Bottom line, what you are doing is not working.  It can't be said any simpler than that.  You can make all of the excuses in the world to justify not wanting to do anything different.  Which is fine.  Just don't expect different results. 

This isn't the first time we've told you this on these boards.  I remember you bringing a very similar post to the forums in the past under your old screen name.  You didn't want to take the advice then.  Now, here you are, quite a while later, with the same complaint.  It's up to you how long you want to refuse to be proactive.


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RE: Unrealistic expectations - 10/5/2010 8:42:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pinniped

As far as the courting thing goes, the numbers game also can't help but affect matters.  If one side of the equation greatly outnumbers the other, then it stands to reason that the members of the larger group are going to have to be aggressive to get anyplace, whereas the smaller group is likely to get more offers than they want.  Certainly I have heard many dominant women comment about the sheer volume of mail their profiles attract (they also comment about the quality, but that's another issue).

What bothers me more is the knowledge that there are probably a lot of women out there who would enjoy occasional, perhaps even frequent, kinky play, but aren't so focused on it that they see a need to seek it out specifically (or are too shy/embarrassed/concerned about their reputation to be even a tad public about it).  How does one go about finding one of those women?  It's a quandry.



Since it's a numbers game as you put it, you need to be networking and getting yourself out there - a lot.  Others have suggested kinky munches and get together events.  If you are searching for the illusive kink--curious bondage enthusiast "semi vanilla" woman, then you need to be doing the same in vanilla venues.  Have you thought about speed dating, or traditional dating sites?

One thing I'll point out is that I have single girlfriends who are in my age bracket, and chances are if they are single at my age, they are tired of bullshit dating games and younger guys (I always tell them to go the cougar route, but they just aren't buying it). A lot are very experienced, successful women, self made, running businesses or in high level positions, and I'd say most are sexually pretty open minded.  While some of them are not adverse to doing the courting/pursuing, they'd have to be swept off their feet with some good chemistry out of the gate - and at the very least, the man would have to have his act together and also be savvy in the dating scene.  Dating is a skill, and one you should practice - having and maintaining good conversations and being attentive, knowing your way around a wine list, being able to identify appropriate places for first and second dates. The kink stuff doesn't come in until later anyway, after chemistry is developed.  Men who have found kinky and outrageous women in the dating pool with success have learned to identify them through intuition and subtle cues - there's nothing holding you back from just aggressively dating.  Go on two dates a week.  Think of it like job interviewing; even if you are not landing THE JOB every time, you are building experience and confidence through the dating process.

I recently completed a femdom survey (results to be published in a few weeks, it's just being graphically put together) and it's about 50/50 between women who expect to be pursued and women who want to do the pursuing.  As a woman that likes to do the pursuing, I'll add that while I am generally pretty predatory and seductive, I have to have an initial spark about a man to do so -- he has to be someone who stands out in a crowd either by charisma, common interests, charm, self confidence.  In hindsight most of the men I have pursued in my more adult years have been perfectly capable of pursuing me, I just didn't let them, I took control before they could think they were calling the shots.

A final piece of advice.  Femdoms, like all women, are attracted to competence and capability.  Enjoy hobbies you excel at, and try to adapt them into public venues with high exposure to single women.  If you play piano, start doing more lessons and eventually recitals that offer some mingling options. If you like to dance, sign up for ballroom dance classes that partner you with people. If you play a sport, get involved in a league or group that allows you to either play against others or tutor those who want to learn.  Whatever your special skillset is, inject yourself into social situations where you can use it - that will results in confidence and competence, two things that make a man stand out.

Akasha


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