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Real0ne -> Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those lawsuits rollin rawhide! (10/4/2010 12:42:02 PM)

when it gets PAINFUL enough governments listen.
Its purely math, cheaper to be sued costing risk management up to millions and at least thousands in court time or fix the bullshit perpetrated on the people?

Politicians dont make change (for the better) PEOPLE do!

Never was about people never will be.  Its all about business and always will be!   Hows voting the bums out working for ya?  LMAO


Common Law starting to make a come back.

Georgia Set To Recognize The Right To Travel
<http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/076331-2010-10-03-georgia-set-to-recognize-the-right-to-travel.htm?From=News>

http://www.legis.ga.gov/legis/2009_10/fulltext/hb875.htm

10 LC 34 2350
House Bill 875
By: Representative Franklin of the 43rd

A BILL TO BE ENTITLED
AN ACT

To amend Title 40 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to motor vehicles and traffic, so as to repeal Chapter 5, relating to drivers' licenses; provide for a short title; to report the findings of the General Assembly regarding the constitutionality of certain laws relating to drivers' licenses; to provide for an effective date; to repeal conflicting laws; and for other purposes.

BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF GEORGIA:

*SECTION 1.
* This Act shall be known and may be cited as the "Right to Travel Act."

*SECTION 2.*

The General Assembly finds that:
(1) Free people have a common law and constitutional right to travel on the roads and highways that are provided by their government for that purpose.

Licensing of drivers cannot be required of free people because taking on the restrictions of a license requires the surrender of an inalienable right;

(2) In England in 1215, the right to travel was enshrined in Article 42 of Magna Carta: <-- HUH????  WTF????

(how about art 24, the writ of praecipe next? and property rights of freemen?) 

It shall be lawful to any person, for the future, to go out of our kingdom, and to return, safely and securely, by land or by water, saving his allegiance to us, unless it be in time of war, for some short space, for the common good of the kingdom: excepting prisoners and outlaws, according to the laws of the land, and of the people of the nation at war against us, and Merchants who shall be treated as it is said above.

(3) Where rights secured by the Constitution of the United States and the State of Georgia are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation that would abrogate these rights. The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime. There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon an individual because of this exercise of constitutional rights;

(4) American citizens have the inalienable right to use the roads and highways unrestricted in any manner so long as they are not damaging or violating property or rights of others. The government, by requiring the people to obtain drivers' licenses, is restricting, and therefore violating, the people's common law and constitutional right to travel;

(5) In *Shapiro v Thompson*, 394 U.S. 618 (1969), Justice Potter Stewart noted in a concurring opinion that the right to travel "is a right broadly assertable against private interference as well as governmental action. Like the right of association...it is a virtually unconditional personal right, guaranteed by the Constitution to us all." The Articles of Confederation had an explicit right to travel; and we hold that the right to travel is so fundamental that the Framers thought it was unnecessary to include it in the

Constitution or the Bill of Rights;

(6) The right to travel upon the public highways is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or prohibited at will but the common right which every citizen has under his or her right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Under this constitutional guarantee one may, therefore, under normal conditions, travel at his or her inclination along the public highways or in public places while conducting himself or herself in an orderly and decent manner; and 

(7) Thus, the legislature does not have the power to abrogate the citizens' right to travel upon the public roads by passing legislation forcing the citizen to waive the right and convert that right into a privilege.

*SECTION 3.*

Title 40 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to motor vehicles and traffic, is amended by repealing Chapter 5, relating to drivers' licenses, and designating said chapter as reserved.

*SECTION 4.*

This Act shall become effective upon its approval by the Governor or upon its becoming law without such approval.

*SECTION 5.*

All laws and parts of laws in conflict with this Act are repealed.


Appears its in its second reading.  One more to go! 

(unlike the feds who do not have time to actually read what they pass)

Now what? 






pahunkboy -> RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those lawsuits rollin rawhide! (10/4/2010 6:43:15 PM)

that is good to know.   I pondered get a license plate- but I dont think I want to pay the $36.




pahunkboy -> RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those lawsuits rollin rawhide! (10/4/2010 6:51:42 PM)

http://www.rense.com/general92/drive.htm




thornhappy -> RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those lawsuits rollin rawhide! (10/4/2010 8:24:12 PM)

1) We're not ruled by the Magna Carta

2) The "inalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

3) I sincerely hope these aren't strict constructionist folks, since they are the guys that say if the Founding Fathers didn't say it, it doesn't count.

4) By this law, anyone could take their horse and buggy on the interstate, moped, etc.  How safe do you think that would be?  Would speed limits be in effect?

5) Go to his website and check out all his other legislation.  Much of it is way, way in the fringe.  Almost all of his proposed laws have made it no farther than the second readers (Georgia requires 3 readings before a law goes up to a vote).  In other words, he proposes a shitload of bills that will go nowhere, but will look good to his base.

Helms used to do this by proposing outrageous anti-gay bills that had no hope of passing, but could be used as fodder against people who voted against them.  "OMG! So-and-so is in favor of the gay agenda!! See how they voted?!?!"




Real0ne -> RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those lawsuits rollin rawhide! (10/5/2010 4:17:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thornhappy

1) We're not ruled by the Magna Carta

Its really hard not to answer sarcastically when people post such absolute absurdities as your number 1.

We arent ruled by any constitution of the US either so whats your point anyway?



2) The "inalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

Actually it dates back 1000++ years earlier and also covered in that Magna Charta that we are not ruled by as you say?


3) I sincerely hope these aren't strict constructionist folks, since they are the guys that say if the Founding Fathers didn't say it, it doesn't count.

Well since it is not in the 1791 circa constitution why would anyone consider it (at least as far as you are concerned?)  The so called founding fathers we bar attorneys.


4) By this law, anyone could take their horse and buggy on the interstate, moped, etc.  How safe do you think that would be?  Would speed limits be in effect?

How did you come to that conclusion?  WHat does the distinction between commercial and personal have to do with riding a horse on the freeway?


5) Go to his website and check out all his other legislation.  Much of it is way, way in the fringe

Is that the same is "stuff" you are unfamiliar with?


Almost all of his proposed laws have made it no farther than the second readers (Georgia requires 3 readings before a law goes up to a vote).  In other words, he proposes a shitload of bills that will go nowhere, but will look good to his base.

Helms used to do this by proposing outrageous anti-gay bills that had no hope of passing, but could be used as fodder against people who voted against them.  "OMG! So-and-so is in favor of the gay agenda!! See how they voted?!?!"


well this is well established right that has been unlawfully converted to a pay per go privilege.

Do you feel one must pay for a right?  If so then how is it a right?




tazzygirl -> RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those lawsuits rollin rawhide! (10/5/2010 4:27:28 PM)

quote:

Helms used to do this by proposing outrageous anti-gay bills that had no hope of passing, but could be used as fodder against people who voted against them. "OMG! So-and-so is in favor of the gay agenda!! See how they voted?!?!"


Do you recall when his house was covered by a huge condom?

http://blogs.poz.com/peter/archives/2008/07/in_memory_of_je.html




Real0ne -> RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those lawsuits rollin rawhide! (10/5/2010 7:24:41 PM)

so then your position is to discard an unalienable right as bullshit not because it in itself is in fact bullshit but because you think the presentor is full of it?   

It appears that the messenger is more important to you than the message?

the underlying question is do you feel you do not have the right to travel?

do you also feel the magna charta is no longer effective law?




tazzygirl -> RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those lawsuits rollin rawhide! (10/5/2010 8:53:36 PM)

rofl

i merely made a comment about jessie helms, who i believed to be an idiot when i lived in NC, and even though the man is now dead, i still believe to be an idiot.

it has not a damn thing to do with what you are proposing.




rulemylife -> RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those lawsuits rollin rawhide! (10/6/2010 5:29:40 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

that is good to know.   I pondered get a license plate- but I dont think I want to pay the $36.


Naw, I wouldn't do it.  Too much money.

Just drive without one.

Then call RealOne to defend you once your car gets impounded and you get a ticket.

I'm sure his legal expertise will serve you well.




thornhappy -> RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those lawsuits rollin rawhide! (10/6/2010 9:01:22 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
quote:

Helms used to do this by proposing outrageous anti-gay bills that had no hope of passing, but could be used as fodder against people who voted against them. "OMG! So-and-so is in favor of the gay agenda!! See how they voted?!?!"


Do you recall when his house was covered by a huge condom?

http://blogs.poz.com/peter/archives/2008/07/in_memory_of_je.html

Damn, that's hilarious!  I'd not heard of it before.  Wasn't it Helms or Hatch that had a gay men's chorus serenade him from the sidewalk in front of his house?




Real0ne -> RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those lawsuits rollin rawhide! (10/6/2010 12:25:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

that is good to know.   I pondered get a license plate- but I dont think I want to pay the $36.


Naw, I wouldn't do it.  Too much money.

Just drive without one.

Then call RealOne to defend you once your car gets impounded and you get a ticket.

I'm sure his legal expertise will serve you well.



for and on the record to wit;- This poster does not give legal advice.  All communications are strictly for entertainment and/or educational purposes only.






Real0ne -> RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those lawsuits rollin rawhide! (10/6/2010 12:28:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

rofl

i merely made a comment about jessie helms, who i believed to be an idiot when i lived in NC, and even though the man is now dead, i still believe to be an idiot.

it has not a damn thing to do with what you are proposing.


so then you believe you have a right to free ingress and egress?

would get pretty boring I suppose if ya had to stay only on property you owned or rented.




submittous -> RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those lawsuits rollin rawhide! (10/6/2010 5:16:32 PM)

We don't need no stinking licenses ..... I like that, let's apply the same logic and do away with licenses for flying air planes too... they use public air space and are travel. Then we could do away with Doctors getting licenses ... that'll stimulate the economy in many ways.




jlf1961 -> RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those lawsuits rollin rawhide! (10/6/2010 6:10:07 PM)

There are a two little problems that the OP seems to neglect to tell you in this little "revolution":

1) Driver license fees are used toward highway and road repair.
2) License plate fees are used toward highway and road repair.

Those two points are made to show that while you may have the right to travel, you do not have the right to use state and federally funded roads and highways for free.

This is the flaw in this argument presented by various followers and advocates of what is known as the "Sovereign Citizen" movement which seems to advocate no government over the county level.

However, these people want the services that are provided by the state and federal governments, which would not be there if the supreme government in the country stopped at the county level.

Considering the actions of some of these people who are hailed as heros to the cause, I would think that a case could be made that they are preaching sedition and the violent overthrow of the government.




Hippiekinkster -> RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those lawsuits rollin rawhide! (10/6/2010 6:22:19 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

...they are preaching sedition and the violent overthrow of the government.


I remember when I registered for the Involuntary Conscription "Service System" way back when, that one of the questions was, "Do you advocate the overthrow of the US government by violence or subversion?"

I picked subversion.




pahunkboy -> RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those lawsuits rollin rawhide! (10/6/2010 6:27:34 PM)

Cars have no legal rights... no constitutional rights.  NONE.




CruelandKindSdst -> RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those lawsuits rollin rawhide! (10/6/2010 6:32:54 PM)

Your reply here shows how totally ignorant you are... I suppose that you even think that the constitution "gives" yo0u rights and that you are a free man among many other misconceptions of truth...

quote:


1) We're not ruled by the Magna Carta

2) The "inalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

3) I sincerely hope these aren't strict constructionist folks, since they are the guys that say if the Founding Fathers didn't say it, it doesn't count.

4) By this law, anyone could take their horse and buggy on the interstate, moped, etc. How safe do you think that would be? Would speed limits be in effect?

5) Go to his website and check out all his other legislation. Much of it is way, way in the fringe. Almost all of his proposed laws have made it no farther than the second readers (Georgia requires 3 readings before a law goes up to a vote). In other words, he proposes a shitload of bills that will go nowhere, but will look good to his base.

Helms used to do this by proposing outrageous anti-gay bills that had no hope of passing, but could be used as fodder against people who voted against them. "OMG! So-and-so is in favor of the gay agenda!! See how they voted?!?!"



(Bones to Capt Kirk) My God Jim, do you really think there is intelligent life here?




CruelandKindSdst -> RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those lawsuits rollin rawhide! (10/6/2010 6:37:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

quote:

Helms used to do this by proposing outrageous anti-gay bills that had no hope of passing, but could be used as fodder against people who voted against them. "OMG! So-and-so is in favor of the gay agenda!! See how they voted?!?!"


Do you recall when his house was covered by a huge condom?

http://blogs.poz.com/peter/archives/2008/07/in_memory_of_je.html


Sorry, I usually don'[t waste my time in forums but I just can't resist this one... So tazzygirl, you are againstsomeone wanting to re-establish a given right that was minulated away from us by crooked politicians? Just because you don't like one stance or the person.... You must be a Liberal: One who is intollerent of others that don't reflect your view...




CruelandKindSdst -> RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those lawsuits rollin rawhide! (10/6/2010 6:55:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

There are a two little problems that the OP seems to neglect to tell you in this little "revolution":

1) Driver license fees are used toward highway and road repair.
2) License plate fees are used toward highway and road repair.

Those two points are made to show that while you may have the right to travel, you do not have the right to use state and federally funded roads and highways for free.



Actually that is the flaw that most people are lead to believe... it is like the perpetual funding for education, they always take away the school funding and get everybody up in arms saying that the need this bond or tax or program to fund schools. It gets passed and a few years later the funds are diverted to something else. Then they bring up another bill to fund schools in an endless loop.... and of course people are to ignorant to question the status quo... so they keep increasing their own taxes because they believe the lies.

Let no possibility to create an emergency go wasted to take away freedom and control people. To many people talk aobut being an expert thinking that understand what is happening when in fact they are taloking from their own social programming. They are to lazy to really study and understand the issue and research the background of anything.... they just use their ignorant knee-jerk reaction as if they actually know anything.

Here is a test question: 1) do you really know what the difference is between a Republic form of government and a Democracy? 2) Do you know what giving the DMV the MSO voluntarily does? 3) Do you understand exactly the reason and basis of the Marriage License? Do you know why the government requires you to fill out and sign a birth certificate for your chile? 5) Do you believe that the government sho0uld have total control of your life, your family, how you believe, your house, your car, your kids, and your Dog? Do you realize that the IMF owns the Federal Reserve Bank system? Look up HR 192 and try to understand what it says.

You answer these questions fully and with real knowledge than you can have the right to be heard.




Lucylastic -> RE: Right to Travel! No License Required! Keep those lawsuits rollin rawhide! (10/6/2010 6:58:35 PM)

This coming from someone who doesnt waste his time on boards BUT in this case...omg he lowered himself to comment and  insult two people in less than one thread, he must be an ignorant jackass with bad english skills to boot, gotta be a rightie.
Bye bye dont let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.





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