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Musicmystery -> RE: The Failure of Conservatism (10/8/2010 8:38:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex

So for the past 30 years we have followed what can only be considered the conservative agenda; we have cut taxes, reduced regulation, cut social welfare programs, and reduced the power of labor unions.

It doesn't matter which party controlled the White House or Congress; relentlessly, the key items of the conservative agenda were promoted and passed, while not one piece of liberal lawmaking has been introduced or passed in the past 30 years.

The American public largely followed this path on the promise that if we did this, if we unleashed the power of the marketplace the rich and the corporations would create jobs, and prosperity would flow to the middle class.

So my question is, where is it? Is the America middle class stronger, more secure than we were in say, 1980? Who here has a more secure job, who has a more secure retirement, than they did in 1980?

By any measure, the American middle class is poorer, less secure than ever. The middle class used to be able to live on one income, but now we need two; we pay endlessly for things that used to be offered free- school busses, driver's education, school lunches, work training programs, community colleges...the list is endless of the things that the middle class now has to pay for, even as the top 1% pays ever less in taxes.

This may be the first generation in American history to live with a lower standard of living than our parents.

This is why I could no longer call myself a conservative- even if you can set aside the liberal arguments about compassion, or the poor, even when you only measure it against its own standards, conservatism has failed in its most basic promise, to deliver prosperity and economic security to the middle class.


Conservativism works very well--for it's leaders. And that's its goal--the rest is rhetoric to gather votes.

Remember what conservativism is (vs. the more recent rhetoric) -- protecting the consolidation of wealth and power in the hands and institutions of the established conservative elite, both through insulating them from interference and militarily promoting their interests. Then look at what happened, Reagan, Bush I, Bush II.

For the conservative elite, mission accomplished. The strata between rich and poor widened. Wealth was redistributed via unpaid tax cuts primarily to the wealthy, offset with government borrowing paid for by everyone. Sure, deficits quadrupled, but their interests were served. This borrowing also funded unpaid wars, from Central America to the Middle East. Regulations were stripped or watered down (including, unfortunately, mine safety and oil oversight). Banking got aggressive, and when its overreaching failed, the tax payers picked up the tab, from the Savings & Loan crisis to the credit crunch bailouts.

For them, government, properly controlled, is a candy store. Well established industries, from oil/gas to massive corn farming, still get heavy support--allowing people like Dubya, incidentally, to make millions even though all his businesses tanked (his brothers profited from the S&L bailout). Their "big government" rhetoric is reserved for regulation--they're not advocating returning any of the billions they're making from it, not the least of which comes from military operations.

This is why Clinton (who, other than health care, was really a rather conservative Democrat) was such a threat. He understood the economy, and when Newt rushed into town, he knew he'd need to work with him and adapted. Newt, also, despite his silly Contract with America pagent, realized he had to work with the President to get things done--and they both did, in the largest peacetime expansion in our nation's history. This, however, was reversing the gains of the conservative elite.

So they demonize government even as they use it. Find a "moral" issue, or "terrorist" or a "threat" to religion or "our way of life," blow it out of all context, whether immigration, gay marriage, abortion, whatever, and get the voters fired up. Promise them you'll cut their taxes and usher in change (by the way--you all have been getting tax cuts since 1980 now...what have you all done with all that extra money? Just curious...).

OK, that's the past, so where do we go from here? Despite the rhetoric about Obama's administration/Congress so far, other than health care, they've continued Bush's conservative approach, protecting large financial institutions and trying to buy their way out of recession (Bush had already used up lowering interest rates in two previous recessions) and promote liquidity. Whether this was a good idea (a lot of economists say it should have gone much further), and whether it worked (most economists say it at least helped), doesn't really matter in terms of the nation's direction, as that was/is a short term situation. Jobs will come back as inventories continue to fall and confidence/knowledge about where we are and what's coming (including adjusting to health care changes) settles down (probably starting after August--orders for durable goods and production goods are already up). So while no one likes how much we're spending, this is a blip, correctly handled or not.

This is the problem with the Teas, and why I consider their approach naive--just replace everybody, preferably with new, uncompromising conservatives, a recipe for gridlock, lax regulation, and handing the candy store keys back to the conservative elite. After all, economic woes keep people from worrying too much about keeping a closer eye on what else is happening. It also makes a labor force relatively grateful for that thankless, low paying job, as better than nothing. It's a prosperous middle class, more than anything, that keeps a close eye on misdeeds. As long as cash can still be rechanneled from taxpayers to the ruling class at the top, all is well as far they are concerned.

This is also why conservative leaders consider liberals such an obstacle--they promote individual rights, and this threatens their power structure. Consider this list of liberal achievements generated in another thread:

quote:

Yeah, I weep when I think of all those good things liberals destroyed: segregation, old-age poverty, child labor, sweatshops, malnutrition in schools...monopolies, unaffordable education through high school, extreme poverty, work place discrimination in hiring...dumping toxic waste into rivers, logging off old-growth forests, damming wild rivers, lead in gasoline, cars without seatbelts, lead paint in baby cribs....


Every one of those was opposed by the conservative structure as too costly, and you can see why--it takes money away and forces social accountability. Remember before all this, the 1890s and the early 20th century, with completely free markets--incredible monopolies, including intertwined trusts, no workplace safety at all (one in three workers died on the job), workers locked inside factories, children chained to their looms, factory workers earning 25% of what it cost to support a family--this is the conservative ideal. "Compassionate" conservatism is accepting that society has advanced, and conserving the consolidation of the wealth, power, and institutions of the ruling elite from there, while promoting its global interests at the cost of the citizenry's lives and tax dollars.

And now, safety precautions in deep water oil drilling were also considered too costly. Look at the cost now.

So yes, trickle-down economic policy works--for the powerful wealthy elite, and at the cost of American taxpayers.




CreativeDominant -> RE: The Failure of Conservatism (10/8/2010 12:53:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

ORIGINAL: AnimusRex

So for the past 30 years we have followed what can only be considered the conservative agenda; we have cut taxes, reduced regulation, cut social welfare programs, and reduced the power of labor unions.

It doesn't matter which party controlled the White House or Congress; relentlessly, the key items of the conservative agenda were promoted and passed, while not one piece of liberal lawmaking has been introduced or passed in the past 30 years.

The American public largely followed this path on the promise that if we did this, if we unleashed the power of the marketplace the rich and the corporations would create jobs, and prosperity would flow to the middle class.

So my question is, where is it? Is the America middle class stronger, more secure than we were in say, 1980? Who here has a more secure job, who has a more secure retirement, than they did in 1980?

By any measure, the American middle class is poorer, less secure than ever. The middle class used to be able to live on one income, but now we need two; we pay endlessly for things that used to be offered free- school busses, driver's education, school lunches, work training programs, community colleges...the list is endless of the things that the middle class now has to pay for, even as the top 1% pays ever less in taxes.

This may be the first generation in American history to live with a lower standard of living than our parents.

This is why I could no longer call myself a conservative- even if you can set aside the liberal arguments about compassion, or the poor, even when you only measure it against its own standards, conservatism has failed in its most basic promise, to deliver prosperity and economic security to the middle class.


Conservativism works very well--for it's leaders. And that's its goal--the rest is rhetoric to gather votes.

Remember what conservativism is (vs. the more recent rhetoric) -- protecting the consolidation of wealth and power in the hands and institutions of the established conservative elite, both through insulating them from interference and militarily promoting their interests. Then look at what happened, Reagan, Bush I, Bush II.

For the conservative elite, mission accomplished. The strata between rich and poor widened. Wealth was redistributed via unpaid tax cuts primarily to the wealthy, offset with government borrowing paid for by everyone. Sure, deficits quadrupled, but their interests were served. This borrowing also funded unpaid wars, from Central America to the Middle East. Regulations were stripped or watered down (including, unfortunately, mine safety and oil oversight). Banking got aggressive, and when its overreaching failed, the tax payers picked up the tab, from the Savings & Loan crisis to the credit crunch bailouts.

For them, government, properly controlled, is a candy store. Well established industries, from oil/gas to massive corn farming, still get heavy support--allowing people like Dubya, incidentally, to make millions even though all his businesses tanked (his brothers profited from the S&L bailout). Their "big government" rhetoric is reserved for regulation--they're not advocating returning any of the billions they're making from it, not the least of which comes from military operations.

This is why Clinton (who, other than health care, was really a rather conservative Democrat) was such a threat. He understood the economy, and when Newt rushed into town, he knew he'd need to work with him and adapted. Newt, also, despite his silly Contract with America pagent, realized he had to work with the President to get things done--and they both did, in the largest peacetime expansion in our nation's history. This, however, was reversing the gains of the conservative elite.

So they demonize government even as they use it. Find a "moral" issue, or "terrorist" or a "threat" to religion or "our way of life," blow it out of all context, whether immigration, gay marriage, abortion, whatever, and get the voters fired up. Promise them you'll cut their taxes and usher in change (by the way--you all have been getting tax cuts since 1980 now...what have you all done with all that extra money? Just curious...).

OK, that's the past, so where do we go from here? Despite the rhetoric about Obama's administration/Congress so far, other than health care, they've continued Bush's conservative approach, protecting large financial institutions and trying to buy their way out of recession (Bush had already used up lowering interest rates in two previous recessions) and promote liquidity. Whether this was a good idea (a lot of economists say it should have gone much further), and whether it worked (most economists say it at least helped), doesn't really matter in terms of the nation's direction, as that was/is a short term situation. Jobs will come back as inventories continue to fall and confidence/knowledge about where we are and what's coming (including adjusting to health care changes) settles down (probably starting after August--orders for durable goods and production goods are already up). So while no one likes how much we're spending, this is a blip, correctly handled or not.

This is the problem with the Teas, and why I consider their approach naive--just replace everybody, preferably with new, uncompromising conservatives, a recipe for gridlock, lax regulation, and handing the candy store keys back to the conservative elite. After all, economic woes keep people from worrying too much about keeping a closer eye on what else is happening. It also makes a labor force relatively grateful for that thankless, low paying job, as better than nothing. It's a prosperous middle class, more than anything, that keeps a close eye on misdeeds. As long as cash can still be rechanneled from taxpayers to the ruling class at the top, all is well as far they are concerned.

This is also why conservative leaders consider liberals such an obstacle--they promote individual rights, and this threatens their power structure. Consider this list of liberal achievements generated in another thread:

quote:

Yeah, I weep when I think of all those good things liberals destroyed: segregation, old-age poverty, child labor, sweatshops, malnutrition in schools...monopolies, unaffordable education through high school, extreme poverty, work place discrimination in hiring...dumping toxic waste into rivers, logging off old-growth forests, damming wild rivers, lead in gasoline, cars without seatbelts, lead paint in baby cribs....


Every one of those was opposed by the conservative structure as too costly, and you can see why--it takes money away and forces social accountability. Remember before all this, the 1890s and the early 20th century, with completely free markets--incredible monopolies, including intertwined trusts, no workplace safety at all (one in three workers died on the job), workers locked inside factories, children chained to their looms, factory workers earning 25% of what it cost to support a family--this is the conservative ideal. "Compassionate" conservatism is accepting that society has advanced, and conserving the consolidation of the wealth, power, and institutions of the ruling elite from there, while promoting its global interests at the cost of the citizenry's lives and tax dollars.

And now, safety precautions in deep water oil drilling were also considered too costly. Look at the cost now.

So yes, trickle-down economic policy works--for the powerful wealthy elite, and at the cost of American taxpayers.

Would that be that Top 1 -2 % that pay 40 - 50% of the taxes?  Who ironically enough, happen to be the "powerfully wealthy elite"...those like W. Buffet, Bill Gates, John Kerry and his wife, etc., etc.




Musicmystery -> RE: The Failure of Conservatism (10/8/2010 12:56:24 PM)

Sure. Their incomes soar, their taxes rise.

Other incomes stagnate or drop, so do their taxes.

Vote for it if you like it.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: The Failure of Conservatism (10/8/2010 1:49:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


Other's standard of living rises along with theirs.

Dont vote for it if you like the government pissing away your money.



FYP




mnottertail -> RE: The Failure of Conservatism (10/8/2010 1:51:41 PM)

thats just fucking stooooooooooooooooooooopid, and you can keep saying it and have everyone laugh at you, because of the enormous number of cites that tell you that the rich are getting richer and the mid class down are actually eroding in terms of standard of living. 




lockedaway -> RE: The Failure of Conservatism (10/8/2010 3:34:59 PM)

You want stupid?  I'll tell you about stupid.  STUPID is the failure to appreciate that the rich get richer because money begets money.  Who here is too stupid to realize that?  Money makes money all on its own.  So, yes, the rich get richer because their money works for them and more power to them. 

Yes, the poor get poorer because a lot of them are victims of their own actions, addictions, sloth.  Tough shit.

But...be that as it may.  The poor still get richer.  I know...this is where liberals get enraged or go comatose.  Drive by any project housing development and count the number of satellite dishes and window unit air conditioners.  Oh yeeaaahhhh, baby, the projects over here luck like fucking porcupines with the satellites dishes.  And all of that t.v. is watched on our tax payer dollar.  Mnottertail, you NEED government.  So does RulemyLife and Mysticwhatever.  But most of us don't.  And we managed that kind of independence by keeping liberals in check. 



Know your enemy.  Liberals lie.  Liberals deceive.  Liberals fight against liberty and against prosperity.  Do NO business with a liberal.  Don't rent to them, don't trade with them, don't refer clients to them...nothing.  Economic warfare is the only civilized strategy.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: The Failure of Conservatism (10/8/2010 3:51:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lockedaway





Know your enemy.  Liberals lie.  Liberals deceive.  Liberals fight against liberty and against prosperity.  Do NO business with a liberal.  Don't rent to them, don't trade with them, don't refer clients to them...nothing.  Economic warfare is the only civilized strategy.


Trade with them. Just overprice your product and label it "organic", "green", "made from recycled, farmed polar bear blubber" or whatever and kill two loonies with one stone.

Speaking of loonies, where is Sanity?




thornhappy -> RE: The Failure of Conservatism (10/8/2010 6:17:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lockedaway
Know your enemy.  Liberals lie.  Liberals deceive.  Liberals fight against liberty and against prosperity.  Do NO business with a liberal.  Don't rent to them, don't trade with them, don't refer clients to them...nothing.  Economic warfare is the only civilized strategy.

Now THAT was stupid.  Honest-to-god-of-your-choice ramlatch bullshit of the first water.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: The Failure of Conservatism (10/8/2010 6:19:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

quote:

ORIGINAL: lockedaway
Know your enemy.  Liberals lie.  Liberals deceive.  Liberals fight against liberty and against prosperity.  Do NO business with a liberal.  Don't rent to them, don't trade with them, don't refer clients to them...nothing.  Economic warfare is the only civilized strategy.

Now THAT was stupid.  Honest-to-god-of-your-choice ramlatch bullshit of the first water.



first water? wtf?




Musicmystery -> RE: The Failure of Conservatism (10/8/2010 7:04:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Other's standard of living rises along with theirs.

Dont vote for it if you like the government pissing away your money.


FYP

So you did.

You just can't support the change, nor does any of the data.

It's as I told CD--indeed revenue rises, because top incomes rise. Strangely enough, that's precisely what the data show.

Yes, a rising tide would lift all boats, and that's the difference between a strong economic policy and bullshit rhetoric--when only the yachts are lifting, the cause isn't rising tides.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Sure. Their incomes soar, their taxes rise.

Other incomes stagnate or drop, so do their taxes.

Vote for it if you like it.





lockedaway -> RE: The Failure of Conservatism (10/8/2010 7:14:22 PM)

"Now THAT was stupid.  Honest-to-god-of-your-choice ramlatch bullshit of the first water."

Stupid?  Naawww...not stupid.  Liberals want to be a capitalist when it comes to taking your money.  Otherwise, liberals denigrate capitalism, conservatism, American exceptionalism, secure borders and most other things that people with a modicum of common sense value.

So do not do business with them.  Don't go to their stores.  Don't buy their products.  Don't have liberal dip-shit teachers inculcate your kids with their failed, collectivist, globalist bullshit.  Shun them and do business with the people who believe in the same ideals you do; the ideals on which this country was founded.





Know your enemy.  Liberals lie.  Liberals deceive.  Liberals fight against liberty and against prosperity.  Do NO business with a liberal.  Don't rent to them, don't trade with them, don't refer clients to them...nothing.  Economic warfare is the only civilized strategy.





lockedaway -> RE: The Failure of Conservatism (10/8/2010 7:16:24 PM)

And what the hell does "Honest-to-god-of-your-choice ramlatch bullshit of the first water." this string of mismatched words and bad grammar mean????  Sheesh.....liberals... 






Know your enemy.  Liberals lie.  Liberals deceive.  Liberals fight against liberty and against prosperity.  Do NO business with a liberal.  Don't rent to them, don't trade with them, don't refer clients to them...nothing.  Economic warfare is the only civilized strategy.






Musicmystery -> RE: The Failure of Conservatism (10/8/2010 7:27:32 PM)

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their failed globalist bullshit


Aside from your unsupported silly rant...you do realize that multinational business is a mainstay of conservative policy?

It's the unionist liberals that oppose it, along with the populist isolationists.




kdsub -> RE: The Failure of Conservatism (10/8/2010 7:39:31 PM)

I think a true conservative has nothing to do with politics and this includes Republicans and the tea party.

I believe I am a true conservative that believes in reward for hard work…is cautious in finance and expects no one including the government to provide for my future.

As a true conservative I am disappointed in the current performance of all political parties in this country and think they have forgotten their true purpose…To represent the people and provide for, with fiscal responsibility, the common welfare.

I also believe in charity for those less fortunate and understand the need for a responsible well run welfare system…IF… we can afford it as a nation. However I still believe most aid can and should come from the generous private donations of charitable organizations where possible.

I believe taxes are necessary to provide the benefits that only a government can provide as mandated in our City, County, State, and Federal Constitutions. However these taxes should be constantly reviewed, eliminated or reduced when possible and new taxes should be carefully considered and debated to balance their fairness and benefit against hardship on those affected.

Feel free to ask me as a true non-fanatic conservative… my opinion and any subject and I will be happy to answer you.

Conservative Butch




lockedaway -> RE: The Failure of Conservatism (10/8/2010 7:44:56 PM)

"Aside from your unsupported silly rant...you do realize that multinational business is a mainstay of conservative policy?

It's the unionist liberals that oppose it, along with the populist isolationists."

Silly rant?  YOU calling what I say silly?  I have read your nonsense and it suffers from the same duplicity and factual inaccuracy that Animus' spew contains.

Liberals support entitlement spending which is why government spending was flat until the two World Wars.  Even with the World Wars, our spending did not balloon pornographically until that fool LBJ took office and since then we have never looked back.  Liberals oppose liberty.  Liberals support confiscatory taxation.  Liberals oppose the ideals on which the U.S.A. was founded.  Liberals support Obama's "leveling hand of government."  No thanks.

Therefore, as far as my advice to shun liberals, that is well founded.  Sure, capitalists want to do business with anyone that will do business with them and that is FUCKING GREAT!  That is what we are supposed to do.  It is called commerce.  But today, in this political climate and highly polarized nation, you don't do business with people that seek to destroy you.  Liberals seek to socialize the United States and that is tantamount to bankruptcy and Orwellian government control.  Don't do business with them.  Attack people where they earn their money and then you will have the best chance to defeat the liberal menace.   Don't do business with them, don't rent commercial or residential space from them, don't go to their stores.  When you go out, talk about politics and determine the political position of the person you are speaking with.  LET THAT DETERMINATION guide you as to your decision to do business with them.  As you leave, point out the inherent contradiction of their being involved in a capitalist enterprise and yet supporting a political position that is antithetical to capitalism. 






Know your enemy.  Liberals lie.  Liberals deceive.  Liberals fight against liberty and against prosperity.  Do NO business with a liberal.  Don't rent to them, don't trade with them, don't refer clients to them...nothing.  Economic warfare is the only civilized strategy.





Musicmystery -> RE: The Failure of Conservatism (10/8/2010 7:48:03 PM)

Yes, silly. And unsupported.




rulemylife -> RE: The Failure of Conservatism (10/8/2010 7:52:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Would that be that Top 1 -2 % that pay 40 - 50% of the taxes?  Who ironically enough, happen to be the "powerfully wealthy elite"...those like W. Buffet, Bill Gates, John Kerry and his wife, etc., etc.


I have to first ask whether it was necessary for you to quote the entirety of both posts so that I had to spend three minutes deleting everything to respond to what you said?

But in regard to what you said, let's ask Warren:

US should tax the rich more: Warren Buffett - The Economic Times

TAXES: Warren Buffett - Rich Taxed Too Little ...

Warren Buffett says TAX THE RICH, TAX ME!





lockedaway -> RE: The Failure of Conservatism (10/8/2010 7:55:06 PM)

"I also believe in charity for those less fortunate and understand the need for a responsible well run welfare system…IF… we can afford it as a nation. However I still believe most aid can and should come from the generous private donations of charitable organizations where possible."

Ok...  I see merit in the "theory" of what you are saying but the practice has been perverted for the purpose of buying votes and consolidating power.  Do you support a woman having child after child, spawned by different fathers in order to get an increase in welfare?  I don't think you, as a conservative, do.  So what is your plan for welfare?  Is it no new money for any new children?  That is fair, isn't it?  It allows a person a mistake but not multiple mistakes.  Do you support a welfare recipient having to work on honest day's work to get that check?  That is fair too, right?  And working for money gives something back to the community.

But here is where I will offer  a bit of correction.  "Charity" is only charity when it is freely given.  When it is freely given it is philanthropy.  When it is confiscated through taxation, my friend, it is not charity....it is tyranny.  Do you beleive it is charitable to give bull dog owners a $5,000.00 tax credit at your expense because the breed is susceptible to health problems????  I don't think you would agree with that.  And there in lies the rub.  "Charity" is defined differently by different people.  And so the welfare system has to be extremely narrowly tailored to maximize the most out of the welfare recipient and minimize the impact it has on society. 

When LBJ's plan for welfare was implemented, he was quoted as saying "I'll have them n*****s voting democratic for the next 200 years." (Google it, you can find the quote.) Tell me, kdsub, was that a noble sentiment expressed by the most liberal (and he wasn't liberal, he was a power broker and a thug) president we had thus far?






Know your enemy.  Liberals lie.  Liberals deceive.  Liberals fight against liberty and against prosperity.  Do NO business with a liberal.  Don't rent to them, don't trade with them, don't refer clients to them...nothing.  Economic warfare is the only civilized strategy.




cloudboy -> RE: The Failure of Conservatism (10/8/2010 7:58:48 PM)

I thought the best summary of what's wrong with America's right (the Republicans) was contained in the JUNE 12-18 issue of the economist. Here's how they laid it out:

HAPPY days are here again for the Republicans, or so you might think. Barack Obama’s popularity rating is sagging well below 50%. Passing health-care reform has done nothing to help him; most Americans believe he has wasted their money—and their view of how he is dealing with the economy is no less jaded. Although growth has returned, the latest jobs figures are dismal and house repossessions continue to rise. And now his perceived failure to get a grip on the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico is hurting him; some critics call it his Hurricane Katrina; others recall Jimmy Carter’s long, enervating hostage crisis in Iran. Sixty per cent of Americans think the country is on the wrong track.

All 435 seats in the House are up for grabs in November. The polls portend heavy losses for the Democrats, who currently enjoy a 39-seat majority there. Quite possibly, they will lose control of it. The Republicans stand less chance of winning the Senate, where a third of the seats are contested this year, but they should win enough to make it almost impossible for the Democrats to break a filibuster there by picking off a Republican or two. The second two years of Mr Obama’s presidency look like being a lot tougher than the first.

Malice in Wonderland

Mr Obama deserves to be pegged back. This newspaper supported him in 2008 and backed his disappointing-but-necessary health-care plan. But he has done little to fix the deficit, shown a zeal for big government and all too often given the impression that capitalism is something unpleasant he found on the sole of his sneaker. America desperately needs a strong opposition. So it is sad to report that the American right is in a mess: fratricidal, increasingly extreme on many issues and woefully short of ideas, let alone solutions.

This matters far beyond America’s shores. For most of the past half-century, conservative America has been a wellspring of new ideas—especially about slimming government. At a time when redesigning the state is a priority around the world, the right’s dysfunctionality is especially unfortunate.

The Republicans at the moment are less a party than an ongoing civil war (with, from a centrist point of view, the wrong side usually winning). There is a dwindling band of moderate Republicans who understand that they have to work with the Democrats in the interests of America. There is the old intolerant, gun-toting, immigrant-bashing, mainly southern right which sees any form of co-operation as treachery, even blasphemy. And muddying the whole picture is the tea-party movement, a tax revolt whose activists (some clever, some dotty, all angry) seem to loathe Bush-era free-spending Republicans as much as they hate Democrats. Egged on by a hysterical blogosphere and the ravings of Fox News blowhards, the Republican Party has turned upon itself (see article).

Optimists say this is no more than the vigorous debate that defines the American primary system. They rightly point out that American conservatism has always been a broad church and the battle is not all one way. This week California’s Republicans chose two relatively moderate former chief executives, Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorina, to run for governor and the Senate. But both had to dive to the right to win, which will not help them in November. And in neighbouring Nevada the Republicans chose a tea-partier so extreme that she may yet allow Harry Reid, the unloved Democratic Senate leader, to hang on to his seat. Many of the battles are indeed nastier than normal: witness the squabble in Florida, where the popular governor, Charlie Crist, has left the party; Senator Lindsey Graham walking away from climate-change legislation for fear of vile personal attacks; and even John McCain, who has battled with the southern-fried crazies in his party for decades, joining the chorus against Mexican “illegals” to keep his seat.

As for ideas, the Republicans seem to be reducing themselves into exactly what the Democrats say they are: the nasty party of No. They may well lambast Mr Obama for expanding the federal deficit; but it is less impressive when they are unable to suggest alternatives. Paul Ryan, a bright young congressman from Wisconsin, has a plan to restore the budget to balance; it has sunk without a trace. During the row over health care, the right demanded smaller deficits but refused to countenance any cuts in medical spending on the elderly. Cutting back military spending is denounced as surrender to the enemy. Tax rises of any kind (even allowing the unaffordable Bush tax cuts to expire as scheduled) are evil.

This lack of coherence extends beyond the deficit. Do Republicans favour state bail-outs for banks or not? If they are against them, as they protest, why are they doing everything they can to sabotage a financial-reform bill that will make them less likely? Is the party of “drill, baby, drill” in favour of tighter regulation of oil companies or not? If not, why is it berating Mr Obama for events a mile beneath the ocean? Many of America’s most prominent business leaders are privately as disappointed by the right as they are by the statist Mr Obama.

Down the rabbit hole and beyond the Palin

Out of power, a party can get away with such negative ambiguity; the business of an opposition is to oppose. The real problem for the political right may well come if it wins in November. Just as the party found after it seized Congress in 1994, voters expect solutions, not just rage. The electorate jumped back into Bill Clinton’s arms in 1996. Business conservatives are scouting desperately for an efficient centrist governor (or perhaps general) to run against Mr Obama in 2012. But tea-party-driven success in the mid-terms could foster the illusion that the Republicans lost the White House because Mr McCain was insufficiently close to their base. That logic is more likely to lead to Palin-Huckabee in 2012 than, say, Petraeus-Daniels.

Britain’s Conservatives, cast out of power after 18 years in 1997, made that mistake, trying a succession of right-wingers. Only with the accession of the centrist David Cameron in 2005 did the party begin to recover as he set about changing its rhetoric. There may be a lesson in that for the Republicans—and it is not too late to take it.




cloudboy -> RE: The Failure of Conservatism (10/8/2010 8:02:20 PM)

The irony is that you sound like a Leninist.

Domiguy must be on vacation or something...




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