Representative Paul D. Ryan, Republican of Wisconsin, alluded to “The Road to Serfdom” in introducing his economic “Roadmap for America’s Future,” which many other Republicans have embraced. Ron Johnson, who entered politics through a Tea Party meeting and is now the Republican nominee for Senate in Wisconsin, asserted that the $20 billion escrow fund that the Obama administration forced BP to set up to pay damages from the Gulf of Mexico oil spill  circumvented “the rule of law,” Hayek’s term for the unwritten code that prohibits the government from interfering with the pursuit of “personal ends and desires.”

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ORIGINAL: joether

Yes, the goverment, shouldn't force a foreign own company, who, thanks to their 'wisdom' (the compay, not the goverment), create a huge enviromental disaster, of which, we may never know the true damage. Its nice to know that Republicans are on the side of companies that wish to screw up America, rather then improve the country....

If your bitching about $20 Billion, then please produce the map that shows, down the the square milimeter, of the 'massive stockpiles' of 'WMDs' we never found in Iraq. How much did that war cost the U.S., again?

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY



Movement of the Moment Looks to Long-Ago Texts
By KATE ZERNIKE
Published: October 1, 2010

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Representative Paul D. Ryan, Republican of Wisconsin, alluded to “The Road to Serfdom” in introducing his economic “Roadmap for America’s Future,” which many other Republicans have embraced. Ron Johnson, who entered politics through a Tea Party meeting and is now the Republican nominee for Senate in Wisconsin, asserted that the $20 billion escrow fund that the Obama administration forced BP to set up to pay damages from the Gulf of Mexico oil spill  circumvented “the rule of law,” Hayek’s term for the unwritten code that prohibits the government from interfering with the pursuit of “personal ends and desires.”

Incredible.

What other dastardly bits of ancient, despicable beliefs will the TEA partiers drag out of the dustbin of history?

Firm

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They have convinced their readers that economists, the Founding Fathers, and indeed, God, are on their side when they accuse President Obama  and the Democrats of being “socialists.” And they have established a counternarrative to what Tea Party supporters denounce as the “progressive” interpretation of economics and history in mainstream texts.

All told, the canon argues for a vision of the country where government’s role is to protect private property — against taxes as much as against thieves. Where religion plays a bigger role in public life. Where any public safety net is unconstitutional. And where the way back to prosperity is for markets to be left free from regulation.

In Maine, Tea Party activists jammed the state Republican convention last spring to reject the party platform, replacing it with one that urged “a return to the principles of Austrian economics,” as espoused by Hayek, and the belief that “freedom of religion does not mean freedom from religion.” The new platform also embraced the idea that “it is immoral to steal the property earned by one individual and give it to another who has no claim or right to its benefits” — a line ripped from Bastiat’s jeremiad against taxation and welfare.

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meaning if you put on a firemen hat then you are a fireman "operating" in the person of the same in service to the gubmint and later you put on the judges hat you "operating" in the person of the same in service to the gubmint as a trustee via the SACRED oath taken to the people to uphold said trust.

who needs religion right?

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Another one under the misapprehension that the $20 billion was anything more than showboating. It didnt make BP liable for a single penny more than it already was.

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And theyve deposited $3 billion of it....less than 1/3 of what theyve made in direct payments.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

While people are complaining about BP not paying enough, perhaps somebody could remind us how much Union Carbide paid the Indian government back in '84?

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

We can start talking about attorneys how about my fav gonzales, one of yer boys who is 3 sips beyond complete insanity if we want to do comparisons.

what do you have a problem with in what I quoted firm?

granted this guy is fucked up in his view on rule of law as it applies to corporations but what about the rest?

You do realize this government is on the edge of anarchy in its present state of law do you not?

next; trust law is the highest form of law, evolved out of religion and an oath evolved out of the same how do the atheists plan on holding gubmint officials to the duties without the God factor?

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

FR:

The topic of conversation isn't about (necessarily) the BP "payment" of $20 billion.  It is about a NYT reporter not understanding that the "rule of law" is not some ancient, drug up, old fashioned concept, but the very basis of the US system of governance.

The US government's apparent coercion of the BP payment is an example of its failure to follow the rule of law.

Firm

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

FR:

The topic of conversation isn't about (necessarily) the BP "payment" of $20 billion.  It is about a NYT reporter not understanding that the "rule of law" is not some ancient, drug up, old fashioned concept, but the very basis of the US system of governance.

The US government's apparent coercion of the BP payment is an example of its failure to follow the rule of law.

Firm

There is no all-encompassing "rule of law" despite what philosophical fantasies teabaggers may want to invent.

The law is whatever the society determines it to be.

And there was absolutely no violation of any law here.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

FR:

The topic of conversation isn't about (necessarily) the BP "payment" of $20 billion.  It is about a NYT reporter not understanding that the "rule of law" is not some ancient, drug up, old fashioned concept, but the very basis of the US system of governance.

The US government's apparent coercion of the BP payment is an example of its failure to follow the rule of law.

Firm

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Specious argument at the outset as I indicated.  Teabagggers dancing in chicken guts. 

Hayek decided to create a term for something  as 'rule of law'.  He could have termed it the 'gentlemans agreement'.  Now, some fucking idiots make the retarded assertion that somehow there is a celestial law, when in fact, governments consistently throughout history fuck in commerce in considerable fashion.  There is no free market anywhere on this planet, there was no free market anywhere on this planet, there will be no free market anywhere on this planet.

Hayek even going so far as to say that "probably nothing has done so much harm to the liberal cause as the wooden insistence of some liberals on certain rules of thumb, above all of the principle of laissez-faire capitalism".

Now, there is a fucking puzzle---who knew the nutsuckers were such flaming liberals?

Thank god for such arch-conservatives as Mr. Obama who, when confronted with people who shit in the ocean tells them to wipe their ass and clean up the mess.  

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Specious argument at the outset as I indicated.  Teabagggers dancing in chicken guts. 

Hayek decided to create a term for something  as 'rule of law'.  He could have termed it the 'gentlemans agreement'.  Now, some fucking idiots make the retarded assertion that somehow there is a celestial law, when in fact, governments consistently throughout history fuck in commerce in considerable fashion.  There is no free market anywhere on this planet, there was no free market anywhere on this planet, there will be no free market anywhere on this planet.

Hayek even going so far as to say that "probably nothing has done so much harm to the liberal cause as the wooden insistence of some liberals on certain rules of thumb, above all of the principle of laissez-faire capitalism".

Now, there is a fucking puzzle---who knew the nutsuckers were such flaming liberals?

Thank god for such arch-conservatives as Mr. Obama who, when confronted with people who shit in the ocean tells them to wipe their ass and clean up the mess.