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Rule -> RE: Guess who's Jewish now? (10/11/2010 7:40:38 AM)
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ORIGINAL: hertz
If everybody is related to everybody else, then how can one claim that everybody has an Abrahamic Jewish ancestor
How not? All it takes is one non-Jewish woman deciding to have intercourse with an Abrahamic Jewish male.
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ORIGINAL: hertz
If everybody is related to everybody else, then how can one claim that everybody has an Abrahamic Jewish ancestor, especially so when the description 'Abrahamic Jewish' is not a biological description? Do you mean Ashkenazi Abrahamic Jewish, or Sephardic Abrahamic Jewish? Or both? Or neither?
Indeed: I invented the concept of Abrahamic Jews to describe a biological significant and functional characteristic, as those in these forums who are familiar with my definition of Abrahamic Jews are well aware. To wit: Those populations that circumcise the penis of their males are Abrahamic Jews. That includes Muslims, the USA Christian population, those professing one of the Jewish religions and perchance other circumcising populations.
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ORIGINAL: hertz
Or do you mean literally descended from the fictional figure of Abraham?
Ha! Abraham was not fictional, be assured of that.
I prefer not to answer this question, for an (to me) obvious reason.
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ORIGINAL: hertz
how did this Jewish ancestor manage to stay Jewish when everybody is related to everybody else?
I have no idea what you are talking about. If an Abrahamic Jew has a circumcised penis he has a circumcised penis. The amputated organ does not grow back. People ain't salamanders.
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ORIGINAL: hertz
when you say 'related', do you mean simply that the everybody who is related to everybody else share some genes, but not necessarily the same genes? Or do you not mean genetically?
Not necessarily so. For example, a male might confer 23 chromosomes upon a male progeny, but that male progeny might not confer any of those chromosomes upon his own progeny.
Everybody, incidentally, has the same genes; it is the allele frequency that distinguishes populations from each other.
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ORIGINAL: hertz
I'm not trying to be a smart-arse, but surely, if you can see (as you evidently can) that the biological concept of race is a bit of a nonsense, can't you also see that saying we have a specific race (whatever that is) in our heritage is a bit wrong too?
Indeed, having a background in biology I oppose the race concept. Biologists instead use the concept of populations, much like mathematicians use the concept of collections in Venn diagrams: the population of horse traders, for example.
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