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RE: Female Circumcision - 10/12/2010 8:38:55 AM

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I don't think anyone is challenging the OP's right to expression, I think we're merely exercising ours...

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RE: Female Circumcision - 10/12/2010 8:45:18 AM

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I don't think anyone is challenging the OP's right to expression, I think we're merely exercising ours...

. . . And that's fine too.

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RE: Female Circumcision - 10/12/2010 8:48:31 AM

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I don't think anyone is challenging the OP's right to expression, I think we're merely exercising ours...

. . . And that's fine too.

... and so's that ;-)

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RE: Female Circumcision - 10/12/2010 8:58:17 AM

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DVArt, I commend your concern, and really do think it wouldn't be a bad idea to report the profile, and let the site's support team worry about the legalities of things.

This is not a bad topic. I think if you wanted to discuss the ethical and moral concerns regarding female circumcision it would better be served as a topic on the subject rather than a discussion on the legalities of expressing ones fantasies on an adult BDSM site. Am I making a coherent distinction here?

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RE: Female Circumcision - 10/12/2010 9:05:16 AM

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Previous threads on the topic ....

"What is lost due to circumcision" - http://www.collarchat.com/m_3215666/mpage_1/tm.htm
"Clitoris Removal" - http://www.collarchat.com/m_3137318/mpage_1/tm.htm
"Female Genital Mutilation" - http://www.collarchat.com/m_2405551/mpage_1/tm.htm

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RE: Female Circumcision - 10/12/2010 9:10:10 AM

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As Allthatjazz said, there are lots of fantasies advertised on this site that are illegal. We could include race play, branding, knife play, rape and kidnap - it's all on here. There is one male profile in which he asks for someone to nail his penis and scrotum to a table. That's illegal, it's mutilation, but it's his fantasy.

Pffft. Technically all BDSM play is illegal; consensuality is not a legal defense for battery. And scrotal "nailing" of the cock and balls to a board can be done as safe play; I get to watch a local kinky RN do it fairly regularly, quite safely and with well sterilized equipment, to her very happy and fully functional long term partner who thinks that this is the bee's knees.

Female circumcision is permanent body modification, and is considerably riskier and more serious than any sort of play piercing scene. I've seen some extreme medical play done safely, but I don't think this one is do-able without extreme risk of severe and possibly fatal complications.

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RE: Female Circumcision - 10/12/2010 9:17:39 AM

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Previous threads on the topic ....

"What is lost due to circumcision" - http://www.collarchat.com/m_3215666/mpage_1/tm.htm
"Clitoris Removal" - http://www.collarchat.com/m_3137318/mpage_1/tm.htm
"Female Genital Mutilation" - http://www.collarchat.com/m_2405551/mpage_1/tm.htm

Pfft, just three? Obviously there's a deplorable evidence of slacking on our part, and the topic is due for a rehashing.

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Perhaps I'm overly fond of my clit, but I do find the subject matter horrifying enough to both be drawn to it, and hobble away from it as quickly as I can with my legs crossed.

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RE: Female Circumcision - 10/12/2010 9:40:07 AM

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Social causes and helping people was what I spent most of my life doing, so I do understand the topic and agree it is a very horrific thing that is happening. I've even stood with other women against this, but it wasn't one of my focused causes. I feel similar when breath play is mentioned or rape and yet I cannot expect that everyone and CM will feel as I do and that they will actually see that my wishes are catered to.

I will not write support and expect them to do something about this social ill, these social and human crimes I am so passionate about and then if they don't respond... start a thread calling them out and expecting social networking to do my enforcement or right the world's wrongs.

Good cause... bad way to present it and try to stop it.

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RE: Female Circumcision - 10/12/2010 10:23:01 AM

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@myotherself:

I hope to goodness that the risk of this young woman finding a circumciser is "negligible" as you suggest, but I very much fear she WILL find someone via collarme.

I have not found a way of "contacting the moderators directly", otherwise I would certainly have done that first.

But I have a general point to make, collarme should not be seen to condone or publicise illegal activity or non reversible physical mutilation as extreme as this.

All profiles are pre-moderated.

All profiles are NOT pre-moderated. Please do not assume what the site does or does not do.

Please use the report button to report this problem. We have report buttons which you can use to report any message, profile, or journal entry. To report a message, click on the "Report" button located on the button bar immediately below the text of the message in question. To report a profile, click on the "Report" button located on the button bar immediately below the user's profile on the homepage. Finally, to report a journal entry, click on "View Full Profile" from the homepage to view the user's full profile, find the relevant journal entry, and click on the "Report" link next to that entry. (If the journal entry to be reported was not written recently, you may need to click on the "Next Page" button until you locate it.)

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RE: Female Circumcision - 10/12/2010 10:24:44 AM

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Go to the main page (the one with all the profiles on it)

Go to the very bottom of the page, and there is a line of blue 'hot buttons' there, right across the bottom of the page.

Click on "support" and this will allow you to contact the mods directly.

Profiles are not pre-moderated, and they rely on us to let them know when there is something wrong.

As Allthatjazz said, there are lots of fantasies advertised on this site that are illegal. We could include race play, branding, knife play, rape and kidnap - it's all on here. There is one male profile in which he asks for someone to nail his penis and scrotum to a table. That's illegal, it's mutilation, but it's his fantasy.

Many people who pose these kinds of extreme fantasies do NOT want them to happen. They want to find someone who finds the IDEA of it as much a turn-on as they do, and then they may find a less extreme way to cater for this fantasy.

I think your best bet is to drop a direct message to the mods, then hide the profile and forget about it. If the mods find it unacceptable it will go. If not, it will stay.

The moderators' job function is not to examine profiles. The moderators' function is to moderate the forums, period. Please use the report button.

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RE: Female Circumcision - 10/12/2010 10:25:18 AM

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All profiles are NOT pre-moderated. Please do not assume what the site does or does not do.

I know one thing they're not doing. They're not protecting us from these profiles!

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RE: Female Circumcision - 10/12/2010 10:27:14 AM

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All profiles are NOT pre-moderated. Please do not assume what the site does or does not do.

I know one thing they're not doing. They're not protecting us from these profiles!

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RE: Female Circumcision - 10/12/2010 10:37:38 AM

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The funny thing is that the profile the OP is talking about hasn't been logged into in over two years. So it's more or less a moot point on if it should be taken down or not.

Personally while I don't agree with FGM in any form other than piercings and tattoos it is not my place to police other peoples profiles. Everyone has a kink that is out there or illegal somewhere. What is wrong with the person who wants something extreme like this. If we start taking down profiles where do you stop? What constitutes allowed illegal content vs. unallowed illegal content? I mean it only takes a simple profile search to find a dozen or more profiles of K9 lovers and that is against terms of service. What about all the cam-whores and all the people promoting a business they are against TOS also. Honestly if you took down every profile that violated TOS or was an illegal act somewhere collarme wouldn't exist.

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RE: Female Circumcision - 10/12/2010 10:59:07 AM

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OP, while I can appreciate the concern and compassion that must have inspired this post, those of us involved in BDSM or kink in some way, really don't get to dictate the kinks of other people. While I'm not a fan or have any interest in participating in consensual FMG, at the same time, I don't have the right to tell other people that they can't. Hard limit of Mine, but My hard limits aren't the measuring stick.

I've branded My boy. I've also done cuttings on him. While I don't consider them "harmful", they are permanent. Illegal? Absolutely. I'm aware of that and took it into consideration before I did it.

What I didn't do, was invite anybody outside of this dynamic to decide for Me if it was acceptable or not.

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RE: Female Circumcision - 10/12/2010 11:04:05 AM

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well said LadyPact.

to the OP, female circumcision is a fantasy or desire of many women, myself included. i understand the plight of many women and young girls who had such an alteration forced upon them, and do not believe my own desire is comparable. however i have also read many accounts from women who, while circumcised as a matter of cultural mandate and not choice, are happy and fulfilled with the results and find beauty in the purpose behind it.

either way, it is absolutely no one's place to decide what is and is not appropriate for a body which is not your own.

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RE: Female Circumcision - 10/12/2010 11:04:53 AM

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The moderators' job function is not to examine profiles. The moderators' function is to moderate the forums, period. Please use the report button.

Sorry VAA - I did point him towards the 'contact' button on the 'other side'...guess I didn't clarify too well

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RE: Female Circumcision - 10/12/2010 11:12:06 AM

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As Allthatjazz said, there are lots of fantasies advertised on this site that are illegal. We could include race play, branding, knife play, rape and kidnap - it's all on here. There is one male profile in which he asks for someone to nail his penis and scrotum to a table. That's illegal, it's mutilation, but it's his fantasy.

Pffft. Technically all BDSM play is illegal; consensuality is not a legal defense for battery. And scrotal "nailing" of the cock and balls to a board can be done as safe play; I get to watch a local kinky RN do it fairly regularly, quite safely and with well sterilized equipment, to her very happy and fully functional long term partner who thinks that this is the bee's knees.

Female circumcision is permanent body modification, and is considerably riskier and more serious than any sort of play piercing scene. I've seen some extreme medical play done safely, but I don't think this one is do-able without extreme risk of severe and possibly fatal complications.

I agree with you LNT - it's all stuff that can be done safely, but when all is said and done it is STILL illegal. No more or less illegal, in the eyes of the law. Through my own interactions with the law I know they couldn't give a tinker's cuss if someone wanted to be spanked or flogged by their partner, but they take anything they view as 'mutilation' a lot more seriously, and most probably scrotal nailing would fall under that banner.

My point was that we all have choices, and if this woman wants female circumcision, then that's her perogative to look for it. Personally I think she would be better talking to a mental health professional before coming to her final decision, but I'm not her mother. Nor is the OP. His intention was good and honourable, but on this site there needs to be a lot of 'live and let live'...let grown-ups make their own decisions.

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RE: Female Circumcision - 10/12/2010 4:15:02 PM

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I would urge the moderators, to ban all references to Female Circumcision.

Why? Not talking about it will not make it go away.

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RE: Female Circumcision - 10/12/2010 4:50:50 PM

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I think your concern is admirable.

There are women who fantasize about this and there are men who desire cock and ball torture including literal ball busting (which is talked about with relative frequency here). There are also men on this site who actively seek to be castrated.

There are people who are fantasize about extreme body modifications, and some of those people actively pursue them.

Not talking about them doesn't make the interests go away.

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RE: Female Circumcision - 10/12/2010 5:18:34 PM

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I think it is great that the OP has concerns and should be able to express them. Some people on this site are always on the defense when someone brings up something that has either been spoken about before or better yet deviates from the norms of the message board. Including me sometimes- I am no respect of person. But as it has already been said...people have the right to have their fantasies just as others have the right to point out the dangers of those fantasies.

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