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Another Fiscal Conservative - 10/13/2010 4:24:59 PM   
AnimusRex


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Status: offline 		Terrific- a fiscal conservative is proposing to spend gazillions of dollars to protect us from something that isn't much of a threat.

"West Virginia Republican candidate John Raese on Tuesday outlined his focus on national defense by calling for an extensive laser-based missile defense system.

A very extensive one.

"If there is a rogue missile aimed at our country, we have 33 minutes to figure out what we're going to do," Raese said at an event sponsored by the League of American Voters. "We are sitting with the only technology in the world that works and it's laser technology. We need 1000 laser systems put in the sky and we need it right now. That is [of] paramount importance."

Raese said the system would cost $20 billion.

Laser-based technology has been long discussed as a promising method for deterring missiles, but experts say that components of a system like the one Raese described are in the infant stages of research and development and would require the negotiation of staggeringly complex international treaties.

Riki Ellison, the chairman of the Missile Defense Advocacy Alliance, said that Raese appeared to be referring to DPALs (diode pumped alkali lasers), which have shown great promise in the field of missile defense but - at least at current funding levels for the development of such programs - could take two decades to develop.

$20 Billion? We have already poured $100 Billion into such a system, and IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK.

But meanwhile, back here on our planet, the roads are crumbling, bridges collapsing, sewers and water systems leaking and gas lines exploding (and incinerating entire neighborhoods), but gawd no, we can't spend the money to fix them, because it would cost money!

Kung Fu Monkey is right- I miss the sober, sane, pragmatic grownups of the old Republican Party- these Teahadists are just effing nutz.

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RE: Another Fiscal Conservative - 10/13/2010 10:14:29 PM   
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RE: Another Fiscal Conservative - 10/13/2010 10:26:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Climate Change", popeye1250. That is the actual scientific concept. "Global Warming" is used, for all the ignorant people to understand what the first concept means. Most people are very ignorant of how just a few degrees in tempature a particular area experiences (plus or minus), can have drastic effects on the land, plants, animals and even humans. The ignorant, claim "but the tempature changes all the time..."; to which, its understood, the person has not learned the concept of 'Climate Change'.

If you popeye1250, believe yourself intelligent and educated, I'm sure, you could find out what 'Climate Change' is on your own.

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RE: Another Fiscal Conservative - 10/13/2010 11:03:07 PM   
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"Climate Change", popeye1250. That is the actual scientific concept. "Global Warming" is used, for all the ignorant people to understand what the first concept means. Most people are very ignorant of how just a few degrees in tempature a particular area experiences (plus or minus), can have drastic effects on the land, plants, animals and even humans. The ignorant, claim "but the tempature changes all the time..."; to which, its understood, the person has not learned the concept of 'Climate Change'.

If you popeye1250, believe yourself intelligent and educated, I'm sure, you could find out what 'Climate Change' is on your own.


Well I see you've been brainwashed, do you perchance own a bright green blazer and a beanie with a propellor on top?

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RE: Another Fiscal Conservative - 10/14/2010 6:33:33 AM   
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Oh! I thought you were going to say "global warming" or whatever they're calling that these days.
False Alarm.


What in the fuck would a thread titled "Another Fiscal Conservative" have to do with global warming?

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RE: Another Fiscal Conservative - 10/14/2010 6:48:54 AM   
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RE: Another Fiscal Conservative - 10/14/2010 6:53:04 AM   
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The Dims will never go for it. It might actually produce jobs!!!

Quite. Cutting the conventional armed forces in order to plough money into contractors who were participating in "strapped duck" tests for Reagan's scarecrow pushed the employment figures right up during the '80s, didn't it?

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RE: Another Fiscal Conservative - 10/14/2010 7:00:33 AM   
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The Dims will never go for it. It might actually produce jobs!!!


So we should produce jobs by including misguided military projects that waste taxpayer money?

Can you say Reagan's Star Wars?

How about the F-22?


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RE: Another Fiscal Conservative - 10/14/2010 7:31:25 AM   
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The Dims will never go for it. It might actually produce jobs!!!



Nothing is going to produce jobs in this country until the shortcuts to wealth that we initiated are eliminated.

Tax cuts won't create jobs, stimulus won't create jobs, phony 'green' fads won't create jobs.

Who in the hell is going to engage 'trickle down' and employ people to make things when they can take their stimulus bonus or tax cut proceeds across the street to the casino and put a wager down?  Owning a business and dealing with a workforce and inventory costs and taxes and.....  that has become 'the long way around' to wealth creation in this country.  Its the 'long way around' now only because we allowed the creation of shortcuts to wealth.  Wall St paydays nowadays are 100% shortcuts.


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RE: Another Fiscal Conservative - 10/14/2010 9:27:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Rule some say Star wars was a deliberate ruse...another cold war weapon designed to bankrupt the Soviet Union...it worked.

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RE: Another Fiscal Conservative - 10/14/2010 10:11:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is always a tough decision deciding how much money should be spent on defense. I do agree that the US has been over spending at an unsustainable rate. There needs to be a balance between actual threat and military spending. You can’t blame the military in wanting and developing the best weapons imagined or available… It is their job. It is the job of the President and Congress following the wishes of the electorate to decide this balance.

I believe there is a real threat from the development of delivery systems and nuclear weapons by rogue nations. The development and planning for defense against these weapons must be done now. It will be too late to repair our railroads and bridges when they are being targeted by missiles.

Do you really think that Korea and the Iran’s of this world with nutcases on the launch buttons can be trusted not to press them? I don’t want to bet the future of my grandchildren on their good sense.

There is a compromise I believe. For too long the US has been providing the lions share of expense in protecting Europe. During this time, under our protection, Europe has developed an excellent infrastructure because they did not need to worry about building and maintaining a large standing army. Now is the time for Europe to step up and defend itself and relieve the US of this financial and manpower burden.

This would mean we could stop being the worlds police and have money for both our national defense and to rebuild our infrastructure.

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RE: Another Fiscal Conservative - 10/14/2010 10:13:29 AM   
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"West Virginia Republican candidate John Raese on Tuesday outlined his focus on national defense by calling for an extensive laser-based missile defense system.


Please tell me you are making this up, its too damn funny.

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RE: Another Fiscal Conservative - 10/14/2010 10:18:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

The Dims will never go for it. It might actually produce jobs!!!



Nothing is going to produce jobs in this country until the shortcuts to wealth that we initiated are eliminated.

Tax cuts won't create jobs, stimulus won't create jobs, phony 'green' fads won't create jobs.

Who in the hell is going to engage 'trickle down' and employ people to make things when they can take their stimulus bonus or tax cut proceeds across the street to the casino and put a wager down?  Owning a business and dealing with a workforce and inventory costs and taxes and.....  that has become 'the long way around' to wealth creation in this country.  Its the 'long way around' now only because we allowed the creation of shortcuts to wealth.  Wall St paydays nowadays are 100% shortcuts.





Well said.
Why should companies try to produce something in the private sector when it's much easier to "mine the taxpayers?"
Lobbyists on k street don't seem to have any problem knocking down a $million a year these days do they?

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RE: Another Fiscal Conservative - 10/14/2010 1:07:07 PM   
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Rule some say Star wars was a deliberate ruse...another cold war weapon designed to bankrupt the Soviet Union...it worked.

Butch

Which is strange, as the Soviets did have some fairly effective looking antiballistic sites around a few cities that were closed down by the SALT talks.

As for effective deterrence, can anybody cite an example of a laser managing to destroy a missile that hadn't been pre stressed first?

And I'd be very interested to hear when the last time America protected Europe was. Being expected to help fight your wars in Iraq and Afghanistan hasn't made public transport in Spain or the UK any safer, put it that way...

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RE: Another Fiscal Conservative - 10/14/2010 1:26:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		ok so some idiot is proposing something. i suggest you calm down until there is a sign that several other someones will take him seriously.



seriously

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RE: Another Fiscal Conservative - 10/14/2010 1:27:36 PM   
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Oh! I thought you were going to say "global warming" or whatever they're calling that these days.
False Alarm.



they cant call it that anymore popeye man....call it climate change and there is less chance of people finding out they are using it as an excuse to make money.

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RE: Another Fiscal Conservative - 10/14/2010 2:52:08 PM   
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Rule some say Star wars was a deliberate ruse...another cold war weapon designed to bankrupt the Soviet Union...it worked.

Butch


What disintegrated the Soviet Union was a large combination of things.

To attribute it to Reagan is revisionist history at its worst.

And SDI was never a ruse, a large amount of money was poured into the program. 

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RE: Another Fiscal Conservative - 10/14/2010 2:59:31 PM   
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they cant call it that anymore popeye man....call it climate change and there is less chance of people finding out they are using it as an excuse to make money.


Does anyone have a can of Odor Eaters I can borrow?

There is the unmistakable smell of a sock puppet around here.

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RE: Another Fiscal Conservative - 10/14/2010 3:02:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Granted the US unilaterally withdrew from the ABM treaties in 2002, which made the other signatories a bit nervous.

At current technological levels, the entire plan is untenable, simply because we dont have the ability to make a national missile defense system based on lasers.

But by all means, let the Republicans cut taxes and then spend a few hundred billion dollars that will be added to the deficit on projects that just wont work. It will be just like the SDI (aka star wars) programs that cost the government well over 100 billion dollars and created zero sustainable jobs.

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RE: Another Fiscal Conservative - 10/14/2010 3:26:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not just me saying that...do a search of the net...the Soviets had to put out a large amount of money to try and counter Star Wars defense ...but notice there was no accounting of the defense or any hardware developed or deployed... At least from what i could find. I believe the lack of money to support their armies was the main reason they disintegrated and could not forcibly hold Land area.

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