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When the Politics don't match - 4/25/2006 2:42:35 PM   
MHOO314


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Status: offline 		An interesting thought as I watched the debates on another thread:
 
What do you do when you find that at times  you are on other sides of political issues? What happens to the dynamic?

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RE: When the Politics don't match - 4/25/2006 2:45:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		And that's why I am the dom...........

The dynamic is .....

I win; you lose; take off your pants.

(But I am incorrigible as you know)

LOL,
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(we don't argue over politics, I let it slide, no vociferocity........religion is another matter, entirely) 

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RE: When the Politics don't match - 4/25/2006 2:50:44 PM   
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And that's why I am the dom...........

The dynamic is .....

I win; you lose; take off your pants.

(But I am incorrigible as you know)

LOL,
Ron
(we don't argue over politics, I let it slide, no vociferocity........religion is another matter, entirely) 


You ARE priceless!

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RE: When the Politics don't match - 4/25/2006 2:51:04 PM   
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You loose, bend over and I'll play poke the penis in the kajira....
(Round and round he goes and no one knows in which hole it goes...)

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RE: When the Politics don't match - 4/25/2006 2:51:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		That is why I have a hard limit on submitting to someone of the "wrong" (IE not mine) political persuasion. I am not going to change my whole value system for anyone.... that would be like asking an atheist to become a Fundie, it just ain't going to happen and since I am a political activist  this is a very important part of my life. We cant see everything the same, but I want someone that at least respects 90% of my positions.

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RE: When the Politics don't match - 4/25/2006 3:21:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		My politics and beth's don't match on many issues. There is more agreement than disagreement, but even within the disagreement there is always mutual respect for the others perspective. More important, there is respect for the life experiences that formed the perspective.

Having the power and ability to control every aspect of a person's life does not require you to do so. Besides I see her ability to intelligently debate as an asset. she often tests my resolve and, I'm sure, I test hers. You should only fear disagreement if you aren't confident in your position. Although politics has an impact on our lives, disagreeing politically will never impact our life together. You can only be "right" in a political discussion after the fact, and most often at that point, it's a hollow victory. If you consider that as fact, political disagreement should never be a deal breaker. Apposing political positions provide great time fillers as you recover between dungeon scenes.

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RE: When the Politics don't match - 4/25/2006 4:22:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Unfortunately, more by chance than accident, I've had more than my fair share of social workers who are liberal because their livelihoods depend on it but who are really closet fascists who know what is best for everybody else. There is never a happy ending.

Oh they go on and on about trust and integrity and yet I've never met a group of people who are such mendacious moral cowards.

*MC takes a note. Next time one meets a social worker, get them a date with your worst enemy*

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RE: When the Politics don't match - 4/25/2006 5:19:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have never insisted that someone needed to agree with me in order to be my friend, lover, or debate buddy. I do insist on a degree of mutual respect.
 
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RE: When the Politics don't match - 4/25/2006 5:21:40 PM   
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I have never insisted that someone needed to agree with me in order to be my friend, lover, or debate buddy. I do insist on a degree of mutual respect.
 
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PS-- I do look for someone simpatico, don't get me wrong.


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RE: When the Politics don't match - 4/25/2006 7:25:29 PM   
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I have never insisted that someone needed to agree with me in order to be my friend, lover, or debate buddy. I do insist on a degree of mutual respect.
 
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PS-- I do look for someone simpatico, don't get me wrong.




It's never been a problem for me, and I've never been under a Domme who ever agreed with me about either politics or religion. Very, very occasionally politics has come up, but it's never gotten heated in any way. I couldn't care less what religion or politics my Domme has, because what counts is how the Domme treats me. The one's I've been with have always respected me. By chance, they've never been all that interested in politics, so it seldom comes up.

If we have a political discussion (and I don't think I've had more than, say five with any Domme I've been with), then each of us says our piece and my Domme quickly gets bored. Then we move on. I also don't like to argue politics in r/t social settings, particularly BDSM social settings.

I did once have a Wiccan Domme and former Catholic who decided she really wanted to argue about Catholicism with me. And she did try to bait me by being rude and a little insulting. I very politely out-argued her because I knew the subject better than she happened to know it. I didn't enjoy it.

{Let's see if this post brings out the moonbat patrol to post here.)

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RE: When the Politics don't match - 4/25/2006 7:37:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Despite the years that Chris and I have been together, very rarely do we ever 'agree' totally on something; the subjects of politics, religion, the world in general, all have fallen victim to our debate cycle
We enjoy the lively debates and discussions that the opposing view brings. It's part of what makes our relationship so 'vivid'. I don't think I could survive in a relationship that was based on agreement all the time. Sounds kind of stifling to me.

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RE: When the Politics don't match - 4/25/2006 9:29:26 PM   
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If it gets that way, I just pull the rip-cord on the relationship.

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RE: When the Politics don't match - 4/25/2006 9:47:19 PM   
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Next time one meets a social worker, get them a date with your worst enemy*


Sorry to say we part ways on this one.

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RE: When the Politics don't match - 4/25/2006 9:48:38 PM   
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My politics and beth's don't match on many issues. There is more agreement than disagreement, but even within the disagreement there is always mutual respect for the others perspective. More important, there is respect for the life experiences that formed the perspective
Having mutual respect would work for me in a relationship where we sometimes disagreed politically; but the experiences that form my perspective are often very personal, and for that reason, someone who was a polar opposite to me politically would probably not work very well in a relationship with me. 
I would hope that mutual respect would save the relationship, but if the difference is too great, the relationship probably wouldn't survive the possible anymosity/resentment the situation would in time cause.   M

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RE: When the Politics don't match - 4/26/2006 12:47:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MHOO314

An interesting thought as I watched the debates on another thread:
 
What do you do when you find that at times  you are on other sides of political issues? What happens to the dynamic?


I don't think Himself and I have ever disagreed on a political issue as we think so much alike in that area. There are other hot button topics in which we don't mesh completely though and we can discuss those until the sun comes up. The M/s dynamic doesn't really come into play per se because we are both pretty level headed and know the 'rules' of debate and we just respect one another to much to fight over some silly issue. Most of our discussions surround philosophical areas. He thinks I'm too much into spirit ::um... yes, Pisces that's my gig don't ya know.. lol :: and I think he's too much into physicality but we manage to meet somewhere in the middle and do quite well. We have no problem agreeing to disagree. I don't have a 'Taming of the Shrew' persona that if he says the sky is black when it's blue that I will agree the sky is black. Then again, he'd never say that. lol He doesn't set me up to lie.

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RE: When the Politics don't match - 4/26/2006 12:59:59 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

Next time one meets a social worker, get them a date with your worst enemy*


Sorry to say we part ways on this one.


Are you a social worker CB?

I did a ten year stint once which is where I got my antipathy, plus I had my worst experience at the hands of one.

Though I do see one regularly when I go to London but maybe I'm a bit of a masochist  though she purports to be one and a very nice one too.

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RE: When the Politics don't match - 4/26/2006 6:49:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I couldn't care less one way or the other. Yes, it'd be nice to have someone who thinks correctly (aka agrees with me) but if she doesn't, that doesn't trouble me. I am much more interested in a person with a mind of her own and one who can articulately state and defend a position with facts and logic.


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RE: When the Politics don't match - 4/26/2006 7:20:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MHOO314
An interesting thought as I watched the debates on another thread:
 
What do you do when you find that at times  you are on other sides of political issues? What happens to the dynamic?

My boyfriend and I are on this constantly.  While I grew up in DC and learned very early how to tune out political jabber, he's a rabid political debater and loves to get worked up.  I'm far more of a mild "this issue is too complicated and overarching to really make sweeping ideas about."

What we do basically is let the kite string out to a certain length, and then we stop.  We respect eachother enough to know that it's not a personal character flaw or an affront to ourselves and just accept that we think differently.

I also encourage him to get his venting out with other people in productive ways.  he's inherited a lot of bad habits from his father, one of which is the inability to know when he's made his point and it's time to just let it go (not that I ever do that).  So I act as his stoplight.

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RE: When the Politics don't match - 4/26/2006 7:59:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		How nicely said LA and some very good advice here too for tactics.

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RE: When the Politics don't match - 4/26/2006 4:48:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

And that's why I am the dom...........

The dynamic is .....

I win; you lose; take off your pants.

(But I am incorrigible as you know)

LOL,
Ron
(we don't argue over politics, I let it slide, no vociferocity........religion is another matter, entirely) 


*Chuckles* That about sums things up. My politics and religion (or lack thereof) are two things I'm quite set on. While I can be very, very good friends with someone who possessed different beliefs and ideals... I'm not so sure I'd want to live with them.

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