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Rule -> RE: What do it takes to become a pro domme? (10/27/2010 5:25:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GODDESSEBONYAMOR I have some questions. i truly enjoy the life of bdsm i think of it all day . what i,m asking is what makes a pro domme ? i would like to turn my passion into profit but i,m not a pro . Umm, ask people you order about for money?

Iholdthestrings -> RE: What do it takes to become a pro domme? (10/27/2010 8:02:53 AM)
Whether one identifies as male or female, and regardless which gender one is inclined to seek out, I think a lot depends on one's goal where the other party is concerned. Different tactics are required to attain different outcomes. It seems, to Me, that you and DMFParadox look at things from very different perspectives, and that, while your style is most congruent with someone looking for a relationship, DMFParadox's method implies a much more short-term arrangement. A different approach is called for, depending on whether one wants to "relate" or just "have relations".

LadyRian -> RE: What do it takes to become a pro domme? (10/27/2010 9:22:17 AM)
On the topic of Pro Dommes, my belief is that as long as there is a demand for their services, regardless of the behavioural motivations creating the desire for such, there will be someone providing supply, fee for service. According to Marketing strategy, anything (or anyone) and everything can be reduced to the status of "product". Due to the overwhelming nature of the marketing culture, and the unrelenting dissemination of it's message over the course of several decades, it's influence on society has become subtly pernicious. I think that unconsciously or not, people are increasingly beginning to view their world as a product. Some women are convinced that overemphasis on their physical attributes will "land them a wealthy partner". Some men think that all they need is money to "Land an attractive partner." Obviously these types of people are extremely well suited to each other, for obvious reasons. But what about the rest of us, who aren't looking for money, and would rather be with a partner who's qualities are those which the almighty dollar cannot purchase? The way I see it, the philosophy of marketing culture attempts to destabilise values which are less inclined to generate cash flow. [sm=2cents.gif]

sexyred1 -> RE: What do it takes to become a pro domme? (10/27/2010 9:27:38 AM)
Good points LadyRian. As a marketing professional I firmly believe you are right and most everything today has become a transactional based commodity rather than an exchange. When relationships are viewed through a marketing lens, then there is no room for values. Not that there is anything wrong with ProDommes, etc.; I am only referencing your last point about those who are seeking intangible qualities to share, rather than purchase to achieve a goal.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: What do it takes to become a pro domme? (10/27/2010 10:29:51 AM)
I love you, man.

LadyNTrainer -> RE: What do it takes to become a pro domme? (10/27/2010 10:56:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyRian But what about the rest of us, who aren't looking for money, and would rather be with a partner who's qualities are those which the almighty dollar cannot purchase? The way I see it, the philosophy of marketing culture attempts to destabilise values which are less inclined to generate cash flow. When I was not a pro, I was very, very thankful for the existence of pros who were an excellent filter to ease off some of the pressure from impatient do-me-now "subs" who had no business bothering a lifestyle domme who was seeking a serious relationship. Trust me, if pros didn't exist, if these guys couldn't even buy their quick fix of McDomme's Drive Thru, your mailbox would be even more full of yuck than it is now.

VideoAdminTheta -> RE: What do it takes to become a pro domme? (10/27/2010 3:29:37 PM)
I have now unlocked the thread. From the start this thread was a train wreck and went off topic in ways that were a natural direction with the subject matter and yet a hard call to make in being fair to everyone. At this point I will ask that you read the original OP and respond to that. All other topic's can be discussed in another thread and if need be, you can copy and paste your posts from here to the new topic or link to your post. There are a lot of good topics on this thread and it's a shame to lose them all. Please return to the topic or start a new thread. Name calling and discussing moderation at another site will not be tolerated. Thank you

seekingOwnertoo -> RE: What do it takes to become a pro domme? (10/27/2010 8:43:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RedMagic1 I think the problem you have noticed with women and attraction is economically and culturally localized to middle (and upper) class women who grew up in the Reagan 80s and the irrationally exuberant 90s. They internalized the lie that to be romantically successful, they had to obtain the trophy husband. My friend who bought the convertible even told me, "In my 20s, a doctor or lawyer wasn't good enough for me. I needed a politician or a captain of industry." Lo and behold, she got a divorce, and is finally realizing what less petit bourgeois women have known all along: a friend who will have your back is worth much more than money or status. Red .. you may well be on to something here ... as I have encountered ... some things that lead me to similar idea's ... Why don't you start a thread on this? I bet it would lead to some really fabulous arguments ... err ... I mean discussion! [:D] And I do date a bit ... so I have some insight into these attitudes ... which is why I prefer ... accomplished Ladies ... I find accomplished Ladies have a deeper appreciation of what it takes to be ... successful in whatever ... particularly when they confront similar challenges in life ... Yes, this is off thread ... but so is this whole thread! ROFL

GreedyTop -> RE: What do it takes to become a pro domme? (10/27/2010 9:56:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ElanSubdued GreedyTop, quote: RedMagic1: I enjoy paying, even if she makes more money than I do. But, I'll say this, if she doesn't pay for something, I'll lose interest really fast. I don't do greedy. GreedyTop: haz a sad ;) Meant to reply to this earlier. 'Tis okay. I'll happily soothe your "greed". (Ha! Now all my friends will accuse me of being coquettish. Such are the perils of being a man-slut online. :-) Elan. smoooch!!!

DMFParadox -> RE: What do it takes to become a pro domme? (10/27/2010 10:48:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer quote: ORIGINAL: LadyRian But what about the rest of us, who aren't looking for money, and would rather be with a partner who's qualities are those which the almighty dollar cannot purchase? The way I see it, the philosophy of marketing culture attempts to destabilise values which are less inclined to generate cash flow. When I was not a pro, I was very, very thankful for the existence of pros who were an excellent filter to ease off some of the pressure from impatient do-me-now "subs" who had no business bothering a lifestyle domme who was seeking a serious relationship. Trust me, if pros didn't exist, if these guys couldn't even buy their quick fix of McDomme's Drive Thru, your mailbox would be even more full of yuck than it is now. Somewhat dismissive of those men, there; I'll grant you might not have wanted that kind of play, but they aren't lesser beings because they did. Except for the whole wanting to be treated like lesser beings, but... eh, fuck it. Bad mouth them all you like. Otherwise, I like this; knowing when to send referrals and to whom is just good business. Though your premise could be argued on the grounds of created supply. Often the existence of a packaged service and/or physical item increases its demand, and its lack can decrease it; thus, if pro dommes - especially as portrayed in the media - didn't exist, it's possible you'd have had less men trying to treat you like a drive through, because of their altered expectations. But it's always good business to have people you trust to send references to for things you can't or won't handle yourself; the karma generated is sometimes your most powerful sales tool, from both that customer - who will still be happy with you, and know what you can do for their friends - and the other business, who'll often reciprocate referrals, or at least send a nice Christmas card. On the other topic. Based on what VideoModAlpha said, I was gearing up for a pretty thorough defense of my claims, with references, to answer your questions. Based on what Theta just said, I'm back to cautious. So I'm not going to continue here. See you in the rest of the forums.

LadyNTrainer -> RE: What do it takes to become a pro domme? (10/27/2010 11:27:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DMFParadox Somewhat dismissive of those men, there; I'll grant you might not have wanted that kind of play, but they aren't lesser beings because they did. Not lesser in a human sense, but the specific demographic I'm talking about is less considerate of others, less well mannered and less socially skilled. There is nothing wrong with being horny and wanting a quick kinky play fix. Been there myself. There is a whole lot wrong with being horny, wanting a quick kinky play fix, and being crude or classless when approaching people who have clearly stated that they are not looking for this. It's not what your desires are. It's how ethically you act them out, and how you approach people to act them out with. There are some wonderful male subs I know who have the exact same desires as these guys, but they are a hell of a lot more considerate about who they ask and how they ask. And because they're considerate, they generally get a "yes" from just about any domme they ask at the local femdom group. There is a pretty long list of guys who can come up to me at a play party or even call me out of the blue and ask if I want to play, and if my dance card isn't already full, I'm good to go because it's fun and they're good guys. I also know that if my dance card is full and I say no, these are the cool guys who won't ever be ugly about it. They are definitely not "lesser" for enjoying their quick play fix. I enjoy it too. And none of these guys would ever email a woman whose profile says she does not do casual play and make an explicit suggestion to her. That's why they're my friends and play buddies; they're cool that way. Guys who are not cool that way are the ones who give the ladies here a perpetual headache. quote: Though your premise could be argued on the grounds of created supply. Often the existence of a packaged service and/or physical item increases its demand, and its lack can decrease it; thus, if pro dommes - especially as portrayed in the media - didn't exist, it's possible you'd have had less men trying to treat you like a drive through, because of their altered expectations. It's certainly possible, but I view it as an excellent and very clear division of "here is how you can get your immediate drive-through McDomme's fix without having to substantially improve your social skills or invest time and energy in a real relationship." quote: On the other topic. Based on what VideoModAlpha said, I was gearing up for a pretty thorough defense of my claims, with references, to answer your questions. Based on what Theta just said, I'm back to cautious. I'd agree; we can copypasta that part elsewhere if you have sufficient interest in doing so. Or possibly ask the mods nicely to split the thread? I'm not sure if the tools for that exist here however.

VideoAdminTheta -> RE: What do it takes to become a pro domme? (10/28/2010 12:02:37 AM)
My reason for saying what I did was that this thread has been all over the place and it is difficult to tell people to return to the topic when there have been so many. The many topic's keep returning and they blend together and it becomes a nightmare. I would encourage you to start a new thread, but knowing how difficult that can be, we can try to continue here if you like. (You see, even admin's can re-evaluate something.) We will just have to deal with the many topics I guess, unless I am overruled by my boss, who may be ready to do some admin bondage on me by the time this is through! [:(]

DMFParadox -> RE: What do it takes to become a pro domme? (10/28/2010 2:26:49 AM)
Ok, I'm going to put this as nicely as possible. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer impatient do-me-now "subs" who had no business bothering a lifestyle domme who was seeking a serious relationship quote: ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer call me out of the blue and ask if I want to play, and if my dance card isn't already full, I'm good to go because it's fun There. I said it. Believe me when I also say I understand, sort of, what you were trying to say, but remember this before you call me out on imprecise language. It looks like we've got full blessing from the mods for me to continue here. Though I still think it would be better for you to state your position in a new thread, to which I respond - if for no other reason, than for it to be easier to find in the future, though there are plenty of other reasons - you seem to want to keep it here. Sure. I'm down. Let's start gently, with double standards that apply against men. I can state pretty confidently that men's memory functions decrease when recently confronted by an attractive woman. Citation: http://www.physorg.com/news171536828.html Now, this doesn't prove anything about women except two seeming tangenital things: 1)women's minds, at least within the scope of this study, operated differently from men's. 2)Women did not lose memory function when conversing with their counterparts. Hopefully we can dispense with the illusion that women and men think the same way. If not, that's a whole 'nother topic. Any statement along the lines of 'compatability means the same thing to men and women' should be avoided, because they don't. There is ample evidence of this. The real questions that comes up: whether or not these differences are caused by a 'stereotype threat', where believing makes it true; or also, where simply being aware that others are likely to believe something is true, and the subconscious and conscious effects this has on behavior; or if it's genetic. That's not the only question that matters, or really the most important one. Which is, how deeply do these gender-related sexual behaviors affect the psyche, creating situations where behavior is no longer dictated by the conscious will? Other differences exist that are heavily slanted against people possessing a male psyche. For example "men constitute about 80% of the suicide victims, two-thirds of the homicide and accident victims, 95% of the incarcerated. Men are not faring well here, and the Welfare system does not work well for men. The health system does not work for men either. Men live on average 5-6 years less than women, and have higher death rates for all 10 of the leading causes of death." - Dr. Art Markman, Ph.D. I could quibble with him on the source of some of those statistics, but the trend is clear. There's a difference between genders, mentally, and for some situations the resulting outcome is drastic. For every woman that kills herself, 4 men do. Think about that for a second. Getting back to the memory study, the second fact about women it proves (within its scope) is that women do not, in fact, lose 40% of their short term memory when having conversations with attractive men, or other women. Assuming that men and women are similar enough to have similar responses to attraction, for a moment, this must mean they aren't feeling all that much attraction. At least, not in the brain-altering, attention-altering way that men are. Not on sight; and not in a briefly pleasant conversation. So the next question that stems from this is: when do women feel attraction; and what are the effects on them when they do? Do they, too, lose memory function at some point? How does this affect the outcome of their encounters? Or are they, as the advocates of femdom would have you believe, in control of their faculties at every step? This will continue, but that's a good stopping point. Those questions are worth considering.

PeonForHer -> RE: What do it takes to become a pro domme? (10/28/2010 3:58:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DMFParadox I can state pretty confidently that men's memory functions decrease when recently confronted by an attractive woman. Citation: http://www.physorg.com/news171536828.html Just a quick nit-pick, DMFP - that study was done on forty male students. First thought: Only forty males, and all of them male students? 18-21 year olds? Hell, at that age, the pattern on a carpet was enough to give me a stiffy. In all, that study wouldn't, in itself, inspire confidence in me. Edited to add - and I've heard it said, often, that while males have reached their sexual peak at 18, women don't till much later. On average.

DMFParadox -> RE: What do it takes to become a pro domme? (10/28/2010 11:48:10 AM)
Good point, and yes, I noticed that it was a relatively small sample. It's part of the reason why I was careful to say 'within its scope', because of the circumstances. However, it's just a beginning. There are many corollaries. There was another study done where men got stupider (both in relation to themselves prior, and to women taking the same study) talking to blondes, although it was also fairly limited as well, and the conclusions the researchers reached about it were laughable. I.e., that because the stereotype threat here was that blonds are dumb, the men experienced a sympathetic stereotype threat. Of course, since the stereotype is more about blonde women, that's what the study used. So, psshhht. Please. Talk about bias, guys, that's your conclusion? (The controls on that test suggested no such phenomena were measurable. Crap psychology, guys.) But the results were well-documented enough to show that something was happening to men's minds, here. One of the points I intended to make is that there really is a dearth of solid research on these topics. Though there's a lot of related study, and a lot of indicators. But we all know about making assumptions. So to a degree, we all have to go on anecdotal evidence and personal experience. And I have a lot of anecdotes and experiences that tell me women can and do get fucking retarded when they feel that stop-your-heart attraction. And that it doesn't happen in the first five seconds of meeting a man, but it can happen if you - as a man - manage to give off the right signals. And that those signals are related to a man's interactions with the environment, other people, social 'proof', timing, etc. And finally, that this attraction is not voluntary, just as a man's attraction to a well-shaped woman isn't strictly voluntary. Also, they really don't like to be confronted with their reactions. It's as if you caught them cheating at something, or broke the rules about things. Again, anecdotal here. But there's more psychology coming. I'm just pointing out areas to form questions about. I'd estimate that none of those men were planning to suck so badly at the Q&A following their experiences. So in that sense, their reactions were completely involuntary. If the women in that study had dressed down or worn fat suits, my strong suspicion is that the men involved wouldn't have done so badly on their memory tests. There's a lot of questions. And for all of them, the biggest is, what's the scope? Where are the lines drawn? If a man like me says that I am literally swarming with cheating wives and girlfriends, most people's reactions are to assume that a)my friends are low-class or something or b)That I'm lying and/or misrepresenting a situation that's far less extreme than it appears. However, the statistics on this are practically schizophrenic themselves. Results as low as 8% of married women cheating, and as high as 80% have been reported. Clearly there's more going on here; other factors are involved. It'd be nice to see a study I didn't want to piss all over for lack of good controls, but that's psychology/anthropology for you. More people are drawing conclusions about things than they are taking good notes. If I say that women don't remember their own actions during key phases of attraction, will mentally edit them, and can refuse to believe things even when confronted with the evidence of their own actions, it feels like I'm attacking women. Actually, what I'm doing is pointing out a side effect of several known phenomena. One is the 'Curse of Knowledge' - The Curse of Knowledge in Economic Settings - An Experimental Analysis, Journal of Political Economy '97 1232-54. This phenomena basically states that when we experience knowing one thing, we often completely forget what it was like to 'know' something else, or what it was like to not know it. Apply that towards dating, mix in high emotions and vivid experiences.

DMFParadox -> RE: What do it takes to become a pro domme? (10/28/2010 12:15:51 PM)
I'd argue with the 'sexual peak' idea on the grounds that we still don't know enough about the triggers. Again, anecdotal here - when you do get a younger girl's motor running, she's more likely to get all marathon about it. And older women have just as many hangups; they're just different hangups, and easier for inexperienced men to navigate. What I wouldn't say based on my experience is that younger and/or less experienced women do less mental 'editing' of events than older women do. It's about the same, from what I've seen.

Twoshoes -> RE: What do it takes to become a pro domme? (10/28/2010 12:17:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Just a quick nit-pick, DMFP - that study was done on forty male students. First thought: Only forty males, and all of them male students? 18-21 year olds? Hell, at that age, the pattern on a carpet was enough to give me a stiffy. Pretty much... [;)]

LadyNTrainer -> RE: What do it takes to become a pro domme? (10/28/2010 12:18:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DMFParadox Ok, I'm going to put this as nicely as possible. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer impatient do-me-now "subs" who had no business bothering a lifestyle domme who was seeking a serious relationship quote: ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer call me out of the blue and ask if I want to play, and if my dance card isn't already full, I'm good to go because it's fun There. I said it. Believe me when I also say I understand, sort of, what you were trying to say, but remember this before you call me out on imprecise language. The context you're missing here is prior consent. In the first case, I am discussing strangers who send crude, sexually explicit offers to ladies whose profiles explicitly state that they are seeking only friends or only serious LTR's with local people who meet certain criteria. These profiles may also state that they specifically do not want sexually explicit offers from strangers - after awhile here, most do clearly set this limit up front, though it does nothing to stop them. What actually happens is that every limit they have stated is disrespected and ignored, and the communication is less of a communication and more of a random drive-by shooting that has no relevance to them personally, yet is aggressively directed at them. In the second instance, I am discussing my personal friends and casual play partners with whom I have already established a mutually positive social relationship. I make it clear that none of them have ever socially ignored someone while sexually pursuing them. They are the cool guys, guys who listen to what women say and open two way dialogue rather than hooting and catcalling at random, or making explicit sexual requests to strangers who have specifically asked not to receive them. They treat dommes like real human beings and potential friends, they listen to and respect what we actually have to say, and they get the same courtesy and consideration right back. How do you get on the "cool guys" list? Simple - treat us like real people. Talk to us like real people. Have a two way conversation. Start by actually listening. Don't attempt to begin any social acquaintance by closing your ears and pulling out your dick; that never ends well. It sounds easy, but literally 95% of men who emailed me on my test social profile, as counted by PeonForHer as part of an experiment, did none of these things. Without fail, the respondents in this percentile listened to nothing I had to say, and fired off random shots at me, mostly unsophisticated sexual proposals, as opposed to being willing to participate in a two-way human communication. quote: It looks like we've got full blessing from the mods for me to continue here. Though I still think it would be better for you to state your position in a new thread, to which I respond - if for no other reason, than for it to be easier to find in the future, though there are plenty of other reasons - you seem to want to keep it here. Sure. I'm down. I tend to have rather distinct opinions and preferences when it comes to data filing issues, but I do agree with the mods that this thread has had many, many tangents. The specific discussion which I replied to and which you dropped cold without replying was relevant in an academic sense to gender economics, but the issue's been legitimately raised that this thread has had a lot of relevant but not quite dead-on focused stuff dropped into it. Mostly I'm curious as to whether you are able to actually reply to what I said back there, after you skipped the tracks and avoided answering those points. If you like, and as the mods have suggested it as being at least a good idea, I can repost my reply to you in another thread. quote: Which is, how deeply do these gender-related sexual behaviors affect the psyche, creating situations where behavior is no longer dictated by the conscious will? Ahh, the old nature vs. nurture argument. These aren't terribly dissimilar to the Twinkie Defense, IMO. Even with a cross-cultural comparison, it can be fairly difficult to separate the determining factors. But the most important determining factor for the individual is not statistics, or even in most cases their biology. It's choice. quote: For every woman that kills herself, 4 men do. Think about that for a second. For every woman that kills for any reason including self defense, 13 men are killers. Physical violence is a more commonly applied male strategy, whether directed against self or others. quote: So the next question that stems from this is: when do women feel attraction; and what are the effects on them when they do? Do they, too, lose memory function at some point? How does this affect the outcome of their encounters? Or are they, as the advocates of femdom would have you believe, in control of their faculties at every step? Oxytocin and subsequent hormonal cascades are less likely to have effects on memory than on judgment, perception and inhibition. Evolution makes monkeys of us all; neither gender has immunity. And both genders still have behavioral choices. Biology is not an excuse for poor social skills. Homo sapiens is essentially a naked plains ape living in a human zoo, surprisingly ill suited in many ways to cope with modern conditions of artificial food abundance, social overcrowding, information overload and an economy dictated by technology divorced from the natural environment. Yet cope we must. Adapt or die is evolution's harsh mantra, regardless of what gentler and more forgiving world we may yearn for.

DMFParadox -> RE: What do it takes to become a pro domme? (10/28/2010 12:43:03 PM)
quote: The context you're missing here is prior consent Not missing any contexts here. You're missing mine. Also, you're losing whatever respect you might have earned so far. quote: I make it clear that none of them have ever socially ignored someone while sexually pursuing them. Now who's making sweeping generalizations based on sketchy anecdotes? Because here's the thing. I don't get ignored. I'm not complaining about anything on my behalf. I am talking from the perspective of someone who, as a man, sees other men get ignored despite being nice and non-threatening. I want to stand up for them. I want to slap a bitch and say WHAT THE FUCK did you JUST DO? Even though this behavior is mildly self-defeating, since it's often done for my benefit. But whatev. So hay, you're like, wrong, and shit. Plenty of the women I know are really bitchy about ignoring some decent dudes with tepid but friendly come-ons who don't act all disrespecting and ignoring of limits. Anecdotally speaking. quote: How do you get on the "cool guys" list? Simple - treat us like real people. What the fuck does this even mean? Treat you like real people. Hey, I'm treating you like real people right now, and I've got your complete fucking attention. But I am sure as hell not respecting all your limits, now am I? From here, I know exactly how to a)make you comfortable by agreeing with certain assertions, disagreeing with others in a humorous but friendly way; or b)raise the bar by shit-testing you; or c)fuck off and leave you hanging. With words like 'Coward, get back here!' trailing behind me. I'm a motherfucking rollercoaster ride. Because it works. There's more to your post that's almost worth responding to, in contrast to the points I did respond to, but the long and the short of it is that you're not really reading me and not worthy of deeper conversation. You're still hung up on stupid shit. So go back and re-read, or get off my damn internets.

Jaybeee -> RE: What do it takes to become a pro domme? (10/28/2010 1:03:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DMFParadox quote: The context you're missing here is prior consent Not missing any contexts here. You're missing mine. Also, you're losing whatever respect you might have earned so far. quote: I make it clear that none of them have ever socially ignored someone while sexually pursuing them. Now who's making sweeping generalizations based on sketchy anecdotes? Because here's the thing. I don't get ignored. I'm not complaining about anything on my behalf. I am talking from the perspective of someone who, as a man, sees other men get ignored despite being nice and non-threatening. I want to stand up for them. I want to slap a bitch and say WHAT THE FUCK did you JUST DO? Even though this behavior is mildly self-defeating, since it's often done for my benefit. But whatev. So hay, you're like, wrong, and shit. Plenty of the women I know are really bitchy about ignoring some decent dudes with tepid but friendly come-ons who don't act all disrespecting and ignoring of limits. Anecdotally speaking. quote: How do you get on the "cool guys" list? Simple - treat us like real people. What the fuck does this even mean? Treat you like real people. Hey, I'm treating you like real people right now, and I've got your complete fucking attention. But I am sure as hell not respecting all your limits, now am I? From here, I know exactly how to a)make you comfortable by agreeing with certain assertions, disagreeing with others in a humorous but friendly way; or b)raise the bar by shit-testing you; or c)fuck off and leave you hanging. With words like 'Coward, get back here!' trailing behind me. I'm a motherfucking rollercoaster ride. Because it works. That's generally what attracts, and keeps women interested. quote: There's more to your post that's almost worth responding to, in contrast to the points I did respond to, but the long and the short of it is that you're not really reading me and not worthy of deeper conversation. You're still hung up on stupid shit. So go back and re-read, or get off my damn internets. I like the very last sentence, had a good, solid "Frankly, my dear...." feel to it. Anyway, the above exchange is a great, albeit very highbrow example of why we shouldn't argue with women - even the few extremely intelligent ones.

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