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What makes you believe standards of care will decrease?

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101024/ap_on_re_us/us_employer_health_plans

Seems many employers are willing to drop their health care coverage under obama care.  

Says that the employers will have to give employees raises to cover the missing benefit, but I have never heard that requirement in the law.   This is a right to work state.  You don't necessarily deserve a raise because you lose a benefit.   It's the law.

there is no provision mandating a raise to cover the benefit. However, you will find as more and more companies do drop their health care (nobody wants to be first, but there are millions of employees employed by companies willing to be second to drop their coverage), that many will replace some or all of that compensation just to remain competitive in the labor market.

The fun will start when people that are dropped realize how much more Obamacare will cost them than the wages that replace employer coverage.

We will go to single payer. The people on Wall Street and Corporate Boardrooms are too prideful to admit that they are totally wrong. Going to single payer is going to save them a pantload.

Yup, and cost Americans a pantload in the form of higher premiums and reduced standards of care.

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What makes you believe standards of care will decrease?

Looking at every other country with socialized medicine. Duhhhhh.

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What makes you believe standards of care will decrease?

Looking at every other country with socialized medicine. Duhhhhh.

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What I want to know is how did this health care reform go from "providing a saftey net to ensure lower costs for all" to "everyone must have insurance, even if self purchased"? What company is NOT going to dump health care when it's incumbent upon the insured to be insured?


EFS

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What makes you believe standards of care will decrease?

Looking at every other country with socialized medicine. Duhhhhh.

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What I want to know is how did this health care reform go from "providing a saftey net to ensure lower costs for all" to "everyone must have insurance, even if self purchased"? What company is NOT going to dump health care when it's incumbent upon the insured to be insured?


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Erin Shields, a spokeswoman for the senators who wrote that part of the law, says she's confident that when companies do the math, they'll decide to keep offering coverage.

That's because employers get to deduct the cost of workers' health care from the company's taxes. Take away the health plan and two things happen: Employers lose the deduction and they'll probably have to pay workers more to get them to accept the benefit cut. Not only will the company's income taxes go up, but the employer will also face a bigger bill for Social Security and Medicare payroll taxes. So it's not as simple as paying $2,000 and walking away.

"It is clearly cheaper for employers to continue providing coverage," Shields said.

Another wrinkle: the health insurance tax credits available through the law are keyed to relatively Spartan insurance plans, not as generous as most big employers provide. Send your workers into the insurance exchange, and valuable employees might jump to a competitor that still offers health care.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/25/health-care-will-employer_n_773253.html

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People you are living in a fantasy world. We are never going to get this health care under control unless we address why it costs $250,000 for a kidney transplant. The democrats only look at throwing more money at the problem. They do this with every issue including health care and education, but that's not the answer.

http://babelishere.webs.com/health.html

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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

People you are living in a fantasy world. We are never going to get this health care under control unless we address why it costs $250,000 for a kidney transplant. The democrats only look at throwing more money at the problem. They do this with every issue including health care and education, but that's not the answer.

http://babelishere.webs.com/health.html