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RE: Obama told to " shove it " - 10/26/2010 1:58:23 PM   
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Oh you have no idea, Lucy. The blaming, and the namecalling, and the wild conspiracy theories. The marvellous tapestry of a US midterm election just keeps weaving itself.

I've decided to watch the returns on MSNBC. Will Chris Matthews' tingle go from his leg, to his arm?


You mean more than the tingling you have going on right now?

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RE: Obama told to " shove it " - 10/26/2010 2:15:05 PM   
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It's no secret I have no love for Obama, but I don't condon public officials being that blatently disrespectful to the POTUS, no matter who s/he is.

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A position does not command respect if the person filling it doesnt. The notion of respect for the position of POTUS died at the latest with Clinton who disrespected his own position as POTUS.

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RE: Obama told to " shove it " - 10/26/2010 2:23:06 PM   
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It's no secret I have no love for Obama, but I don't condon public officials being that blatently disrespectful to the POTUS, no matter who s/he is.

mbmbn


A position does not command respect if the person filling it doesnt. The notion of respect for the position of POTUS died at the latest with Clinton who disrespected his own position as POTUS.


No, the idea that a politician is entitled to some sort of special respect because they attain a certain office is what has become ridiculous.

These people are elected as our representatives, not as our leaders.

Though that concept seems to have become lost over the years. 

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RE: Obama told to " shove it " - 10/26/2010 2:29:26 PM   
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RE: Obama told to " shove it " - 10/26/2010 2:32:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

It's no secret I have no love for Obama, but I don't condon public officials being that blatently disrespectful to the POTUS, no matter who s/he is.

mbmbn


A position does not command respect if the person filling it doesnt. The notion of respect for the position of POTUS died at the latest with Clinton who disrespected his own position as POTUS.


I disagree. The position commands respect, the particular officeholder may not.


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RE: Obama told to " shove it " - 10/26/2010 2:34:45 PM   
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I disagree. The position commands respect, the particular officeholder may not.



Why does the position command respect in and of itself?

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RE: Obama told to " shove it " - 10/26/2010 2:50:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Because we are (supposed to be ) a civil society. Election is how we fill that seat. Respecting the position and the process of election is a way to express respect to the process we and our fellow citizens have to abide by.

ETA: (Repeat, the individual officeholder must EARN/KEEP that respect).

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RE: Obama told to " shove it " - 10/26/2010 4:41:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

It's no secret I have no love for Obama, but I don't condon public officials being that blatently disrespectful to the POTUS, no matter who s/he is.

mbmbn


A position does not command respect if the person filling it doesnt. The notion of respect for the position of POTUS died at the latest with Clinton who disrespected his own position as POTUS.


No, the idea that a politician is entitled to some sort of special respect because they attain a certain office is what has become ridiculous.

These people are elected as our representatives, not as our leaders.

Though that concept seems to have become lost over the years. 


Although I do wonder why there's all of this pissing and moaning about how lefties spent eight years dissing the chimp coming from people who are coming out with all sorts of uncomplimentary talk about 0bama0. Seems a bit of a double standard when they stopped respecting the office thirty seconds after their guy failed to win the last election. (About the only instance of Sorebutt showing any class on the campaign trail was his concession speech: just compare the generosity and grace he showed there with the hooting and jeering from his audience...)

As for Nixon, his domestic policy was a godawful mess, but he was a lot better at the diplomacy thing than anybody you've had in office since. Okay, that was more Kissinger than him, but still...

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RE: Obama told to " shove it " - 10/26/2010 8:51:50 PM   
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It's no secret I have no love for Obama, but I don't condon public officials being that blatently disrespectful to the POTUS, no matter who s/he is.

mbmbn



That's normally one of my pet peeves, mbmbn. As deeply and dirty as he has involved himself in the campaign though, I won't call foul on a retaliatory elbow this close to election day.

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RE: Obama told to " shove it " - 10/26/2010 9:08:19 PM   
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Because we are (supposed to be ) a civil society. Election is how we fill that seat. Respecting the position and the process of election is a way to express respect to the process we and our fellow citizens have to abide by.

ETA: (Repeat, the individual officeholder must EARN/KEEP that respect).


What exactly does that mean?

In order to to be a civil society we must automatically confer respect on any idiot who manages to obtain an elected office?

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RE: Obama told to " shove it " - 10/26/2010 10:29:59 PM   
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Please note that I said the respect for the office can be independent of the regard for the office holder.


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RE: Obama told to " shove it " - 10/26/2010 10:31:52 PM   
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RE: Obama told to " shove it " - 10/27/2010 7:16:40 AM   
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If the will of the people (or Diebold, or hanging chads, or whatever) elects someone, until the elected official loses the respect of the people, I'd say yes we need to respect the office and give the elected an opportunity to prove his/her mettle.

Please note that I said the respect for the office can be independent of the regard for the office holder.



Yes, I understand that but I don't understand this whole concept of the office deserving respect.

The office, whether it is the President, the Congress, or your city council is there to represent the people and they are in essence employees of the people.

They are not our rulers, or as it has become common to say, our leaders.



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RE: Obama told to " shove it " - 10/27/2010 7:17:48 AM   
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Exactly. If you cant respect the man, respect the office.


Or respect the woman...........

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RE: Obama told to " shove it " - 10/27/2010 8:43:36 AM   
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RE: Obama told to " shove it " - 10/27/2010 9:07:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

It's no secret I have no love for Obama, but I don't condon public officials being that blatently disrespectful to the POTUS, no matter who s/he is.

mbmbn



That's normally one of my pet peeves, mbmbn. As deeply and dirty as he has involved himself in the campaign though, I won't call foul on a retaliatory elbow this close to election day.


No, I don't think you should, unless you want to invite comparisons of how deeply and dirty Bush involved himself in Congressional campaigns.

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