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LovingLoyalPet -> Submissives responsibility? (10/25/2010 4:36:41 PM)
I have a question for the Masters in this room. This question does not stem from anything, it is just my curious mind at work. What would you feel a woman's responsibility is to her owner and herself? I would also like to hear from the ladies also. I appreciate your answers.

AquaticSub -> RE: Submissives responsibility? (10/25/2010 5:07:04 PM)
~Fast Reply~ Responsibility in terms of what? I have responsibilities to Valyraen and to myself. I also have responsiblities to my employers, to my friends and to our family. He would be disappointed in me if I were to neglect those responsibilities simply because they aren't to him or myself. I suppose you could say those are also responsibilities to him since it would let him down if I didn't. I, personally, do not view it that way.

LovingLoyalPet -> RE: Submissives responsibility? (10/25/2010 5:10:38 PM)
Responsibilities - I am not speaking of domestic duties, or materialistic things. More on a mental and servitude level.

NuevaVida -> RE: Submissives responsibility? (10/25/2010 5:16:17 PM)
I am responsible for being myself and not hiding/stifling who I am. For communicating fully to him so he knows where my head is. For loving myself and being good to myself, and for obeying him and serving him to the best of my abilities. But then when I'm being true to myself, the rest just kind of flows naturally.

StrongSpirit -> RE: Submissives responsibility? (10/25/2010 6:56:12 PM)
In general, all people have a certain responsibility for themselves. If they don't, they should be institutionalized, not seeking a master. If the sub can't consent for any reason, whether it is physical or psychological, then you are not doing BDSM, you are doing rape. Subs need to maintain their ability to consent beyond all other things. This includes the responsibility for refusing to consent - which means maintaining some limits. If you will quite literally do anything (and no one - despite the many lies - I have met actually is willing to do anything) then you are not consenting.

littlewonder -> RE: Submissives responsibility? (10/25/2010 7:03:00 PM)
As Master likes to say....to serve, obey and please.

alittleevil -> RE: Submissives responsibility? (10/25/2010 9:24:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LovingLoyalPet I have a question for the Masters in this room. This question does not stem from anything, it is just my curious mind at work. What would you feel a woman's responsibility is to her owner and herself? I would also like to hear from the ladies also. I appreciate your answers. Greetings, My Prime Directive is "Do As I Say." My responsibilities are to serve, obey and be pleasing. I am also responsible for tending to myself, offspring, other family and duties as an employee as he wishes me to, which he makes known by modeling and by direct instruction should my basic sense, for some reason, not be enough. There's a little invisible WWMD bracelet on my left arm should he not be available for immediate consultation :-). Peace, aj

AquaticSub -> RE: Submissives responsibility? (10/25/2010 9:28:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LovingLoyalPet Responsibilities - I am not speaking of domestic duties, or materialistic things. More on a mental and servitude level. Still clear as mud to me. Please explain further - of course my service is to him. I have no other dominants in my life or any other romantic partners so I don't have any other responsibilities in that area but to him. As far as mentally... doesn't everyone have a responsibility to themselves and their partner mentally, to think of them and consider them regardless of their relationship style? Be it a power dynamic or not.

dananddawn -> RE: Submissives responsibility? (10/26/2010 2:27:31 AM)
I outline the duties of each slave to me that serves me when the relationship begins, so they know what they are getting into. I also find out what areas they believe they need improvement in and, when they make sense, move him/her in that direction. Not sure if that is with the poster meant by responsibilities...but worth a shot

sunshinemiss -> RE: Submissives responsibility? (10/26/2010 2:35:17 AM)
Every person's responsibility is to use good sense. And posters responsibilities include writing clear questions.

DesFIP -> RE: Submissives responsibility? (10/26/2010 6:17:31 AM)
To be emotionally open and vulnerable with him. To bring to him all my worries and concerns. Service and obedience here aren't nearly as important as emotional transparency.

sexyred1 -> RE: Submissives responsibility? (10/26/2010 7:22:09 AM)
My only responsibilities in life are to keep a roof over my head, keep myself healthy, physically and emotionally and to be there for those I care for. Everything else is just wish fulfillment.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Submissives responsibility? (10/26/2010 7:38:42 AM)
My girl has only three things she is responsible for doing: 1)Obey 2) Be pleasing 3) Beautiful All my other rules and rituals are based on these, so when she has a doubt she falls back to these basic responsibilities. quote: ORIGINAL: LovingLoyalPet I have a question for the Masters in this room. This question does not stem from anything, it is just my curious mind at work. What would you feel a woman's responsibility is to her owner and herself? I would also like to hear from the ladies also. I appreciate your answers.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Submissives responsibility? (10/26/2010 7:45:55 AM)
At one point mainstream society thought the same of any that are involved in any type of BDSM. Initial consent given in an Internal Enslavement process, of a power exchange relationship, often draws these same kind of comments from within the BDSM community. Some could argue that based on mainstream psychology, most subs and slaves have an unhealthy compulsion to be drawn to BDSM or power exchange relationships, and because of these psychological compulsions cannot give consent. Some look for relationships where they can give up all their responsibilities concerning themselves, and sometimes find someone else that will accept that responsibility. In this they find peace, contentment, and happiness. I do agree there are some situations that are indeed unhealthy, but it usually takes getting to know what is really going on with the individuals emotionally and mentally, to make that determination. quote: ORIGINAL: StrongSpirit In general, all people have a certain responsibility for themselves. If they don't, they should be institutionalized, not seeking a master.

RavenMuse -> RE: Submissives responsibility? (10/26/2010 7:47:04 AM)
Honesty, openness (Inc. emotional), consideration, respect ( I haven't earned it why is she with Me?), effort and obedience. And particularly toward herself, common sense and take good care of My property! (she is My property)

phoenixmoonn13 -> RE: Submissives responsibility? (10/26/2010 9:26:33 AM)
Serve master and meet his needs be there for him be obedient and a good girl. be who i am, be honest, don't lie, look after myself, keep myself as healthy and content as i can, explore myself and develop in ways i can expand my knowledge etc.

leadership527 -> RE: Submissives responsibility? (10/26/2010 10:51:14 AM)
Just because I like it, I think I'll do this Asimov Style: Responsibility #1: Obey Responsibility #2: Seek to preserve her health, my health, and the health of our marriage except insofar as it conflicts with her first responsibility. Responsibility #3: To seek to be and present to me the most authentic Carol there is except where it conflicts with her first or second responsibilities. Her responsibility is, of course, subordinate to mine.

porcelaine -> RE: Submissives responsibility? (10/26/2010 10:58:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LovingLoyalPet What would you feel a woman's responsibility is to her owner and herself? I would also like to hear from the ladies also. I appreciate your answers. Greetings LovingLoyalPet, Honor, respect, and acceptance form the trinity of the framework that includes the individual parties and the union at the helm. It isn't based on BDSM precepts but a mutual understanding of the merits involved with giving, sacrifice, and the emotional undercurrent that allows these things to take place without great discontent. We are a unified team striving towards one collective goal that unifies and strengthens the bond. There's no disconnection between personal responsibilities and those attributed to the dynamic. It's a coalescence that easily melds when both parties are working on one accord. The most important lesson has been the removal of ideologies that promoted a mindset that is not conducive to being Kept and the willingness to embrace the softer less assertive aspects of my person that may seem understated but provide the appropriate balance in countenance and energy for the relationship. This entails a celebration of the feminine, an expansion of service that's inclusive of other persons aside from the Keeper, and lastly, the adaptation of a servile surrendered orientation that has slowly become a way of being as well. Namaste, ~porcelaine

leadership527 -> RE: Submissives responsibility? (10/26/2010 11:26:11 AM)
In general, all people have a certain responsibility for themselves. If they don't, they should be institutionalized, not seeking a master. But Carol's already GOT a Master. So then I suppose I have to decide if I need to institutionalize her or not? I think I'll let it ride for now but keep tabs on it. If the sub can't consent for any reason, whether it is physical or psychological, then you are not doing BDSM, you are doing rape. Technically you are right, but somehow I'm not thinking Carol would see it that way. Subs need to maintain their ability to consent beyond all other things. This includes the responsibility for refusing to consent - which means maintaining some limits. Wow, if only my world were so clear cut. But when you don't deal in consent and limits, then what? What if it's just down to dominance and submission... .my more forceful personality dominating her more submissive one? Carol does not have the responsibility to refuse consent (see the responsibility thread). I have the responsibility to take care of her. If you will quite literally do anything (and no one - despite the many lies - I have met actually is willing to do anything) then you are not consenting. Yeah yeah, but since we both agree that "do anything" is literally impossible then that really isn't much of a measure for evaluating human beings and their behaviors now, is it?

DesFIP -> RE: Submissives responsibility? (10/26/2010 12:26:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: leadership527 If the sub can't consent for any reason, whether it is physical or psychological, then you are not doing BDSM, you are doing rape. Technically you are right, but somehow I'm not thinking Carol would see it that way. Just to nitpick here, there is a legal precedent. Durable power of attorney gives someone the right to make decisions when I'm not capable of overriding it. It isn't designed as rape, but as protection. Same with medical directives allowing someone else to make decisions if I am too ill to. Since submission here involves a lot more than just sex (unfortunately), he has the right to make immediate decisions for me even if I'm not reachable. IE, I'm on the train to the city where there is never any decent cell service and the repair shop calls. He has the right to tell them to fix the brakes or else decide he'll do it himself later in the week and I'll be without a car until then.

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