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OnyxGoddess -> Christian Kink (4/26/2006 12:26:41 PM)
Ok...I'm going out on a limb here and might piss some people off....but how the heck can you have a CHRISTIAN KINK connection when half of the bdsm/kink/whatever you want to call it stuff is against Christian ideals and principles? This is the biggest oxymoron i've ever come across. The master slave love thing ok...fine. Facesititng/bootworship/pony play/anal/etc etc all that stuff is considered-deviant and immoral.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Christian Kink (4/26/2006 12:30:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OnyxGoddess Ok...I'm going out on a limb here and might piss some people off....but how the heck can you have a CHRISTIAN KINK connection when half of the bdsm/kink/whatever you want to call it stuff is against Christian ideals and principles? This is the biggest oxymoron i've ever come across. The master slave love thing ok...fine. Facesititng/bootworship/pony play/anal/etc etc all that stuff is considered-deviant and immoral. Considering I grew up in a christian household, the only things not-christian I can think of would be: a) sex without marriage b) homosexual actions c) contraception sex (and many christians disagree with this) d) worship of the dominant I don't recall seeing anything about Christianity being against a married woman and man engaging in kinky activities, and certainly nothing wrong with someone agreeing to serve and obey another. What makes you think that face sitting isn't christian?

heartfeltsub -> RE: Christian Kink (4/26/2006 12:33:06 PM)
i agree with LA, as a Christian i see nothing non-Biblical or nonChristian in any of those items. It may have been preached as being wrong by someone in a pulpit, but the Bible doesn't say anything against any of those things.

juliaoceania -> RE: Christian Kink (4/26/2006 12:38:17 PM)
Many Christians are becoming D/s aware and find that much of the lifestyle is in keeping with the value systems they think the Bible wants them to have, such as wives should be submissive to husbands. I went into a Christian D/s room once to see what they talked about and they believed that hubbies must never take the sub role and so forth... So basically it is having your wife do kinky thngs with you in a submissive way because you think that is in keeping with being a Christian... If it works for them, great! Personally I only went to that room once because I did not agree about the hubby should never be a sub thing, and that it is an individual choice. Kinda the same reason I could never be a Gorean slave girl, I do not think men being submissive is in some way shameful

starymists -> RE: Christian Kink (4/26/2006 12:45:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OnyxGoddess This is the biggest oxymoron i've ever come across. The master slave love thing ok...fine. Facesititng/bootworship/pony play/anal/etc etc all that stuff is considered-deviant and immoral. The only thing in that list that the Bible says anything specifically about is anal...and depending on what translation of the Bible you use will depend on how taboo anal sex is. For myself, having been raised in, and still semi-practice Christian religious practices, I've done some study in the original texts, and based on my understanding of those original texts, it more refers to homosexual acts than to anal sex itself :) I agree with what has been said here in that Christianity and BDSM is highly compatible in a lot of ways. Saying that it is an oxymoron would be like saying someone who lies can't be a Christian...no one walks in any religion perfectly. But that's just my two cents.

OnyxGoddess -> RE: Christian Kink (4/26/2006 12:51:03 PM)
Thanks for your spin on things, everyone. I had a nasty run in with a "bible thumper" preaching all sex other than missionary is a sin and i'm going to hell for the deviant things I do...blah blah blah and then i saw a link for the christian kink connection and about flipped my friggin lid.

Proprietrix -> RE: Christian Kink (4/26/2006 12:55:55 PM)
11. Thou shalt not beat thine submissive with a flogger made from pig hide?

WyrdRich -> RE: Christian Kink (4/26/2006 12:58:38 PM)
Ahhhh, the ones who put matte finish fixtures in the shower so they won't see a reflection of themselves naked.... Every belief system has its' extremists (and that certainly includes the BDSM community). Just say "thank you Pharisee" and go on about living your life.

SimplyV -> RE: Christian Kink (4/26/2006 1:16:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OnyxGoddess Facesititng/bootworship/pony play/anal/etc etc all that stuff is considered-deviant and immoral. Just because something is thought to be immoral doesn't make it so. I can't remember what religion or where.. I'd have to look it up.. but there is a sect of a religion that believes it is immoral and sinful for the woman to enjoy sex of any kind, so much so that they surgically remove her clitoris to make it impossible for her to sin. There are sects of "Christianity" that believe wild and crazy things as well, but you can't judge everyone by what a few believe (no matter how vocal they are). Reading the bible, there is little if anything barred from the "Marriage bed".. Paul wrote some SSC type things in the New Testament.. such as "Husbands should love their wives as their own bodies".. Paul also states in the New Testament that the husband is to be in charge and the woman obedient. But it depends on how you interpret things on what you take from the Bible. and what you believe the Bible to actually be. Some Christians believe it to be the actual word of God, every word. Some Christians believe it to be a collection of Testimony and Letters from people who lived through it, and in the case of the Old Testatment, handed down biblical stories and doctrine. I am a Christian. I was raised to believe that the Bible was the actual words of God. But well, I don't think thats exactly the case as some thinks it is. There is a message in the Bible that holds true throughout the generations and cultures, but when you start picking it apart and trying to prove minute things right or wrong.. thats where you get into trouble. I don't think God wanted to limit us to "you can do this" but "you can't do this" type thinking. People have used the Bible as a basis for a lot of evil things over the years. Actually, nearly every government known to man has used its religion to sway people into doing what it wants. We've all read about the puritanical Christian movements, now lets work on the sexy Christian movement. [:D]

Wulfchyld -> RE: Christian Kink (4/26/2006 1:21:40 PM)
Lets not forget to give a round of applause to Tomas de Torquemada, he gave BDSM quite a few jewels in its crown. Smiling diabolically Loki

SimplyV -> RE: Christian Kink (4/26/2006 1:26:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OnyxGoddess Thanks for your spin on things, everyone. I had a nasty run in with a "bible thumper" preaching all sex other than missionary is a sin and i'm going to hell for the deviant things I do...blah blah blah and then i saw a link for the christian kink connection and about flipped my friggin lid. laughs I did too when I found my first Christian BDSM site. I'd always been taught BDSM was evil stuff, like prostitution and what not. So I'd sneak around reading BDSM sites, then berate myself for it. laughs Then I found this one Christian BDSM message board, and I flipped out. After years of being told, there is no candy for you. Then finding a whole cupboard of it.. YEAH!! [:D] I still get berated like you were now and then, and when they find out I'm a Christian.. then I get called things like a heretic. To which I usually reply, "Ok Pharisee".. Which either results in a lovely debate, or walking away.

thetammyjo -> RE: Christian Kink (4/26/2006 1:55:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OnyxGoddess Ok...I'm going out on a limb here and might piss some people off....but how the heck can you have a CHRISTIAN KINK connection when half of the bdsm/kink/whatever you want to call it stuff is against Christian ideals and principles? This is the biggest oxymoron i've ever come across. The master slave love thing ok...fine. Facesititng/bootworship/pony play/anal/etc etc all that stuff is considered-deviant and immoral. For me, I have no problems being Christian and be a female dominant who is also poly. I only have relationships that are mutually consensual and which focus on positives for everyone involved. So far, Jesus has never told me that what I'm doing is wrong and my entire household prayers regularly so I think one of us would hear something back from the Savior if he disapproved. I think what the Christ's model was and what organized Christianity says can be and are radically different things. As a historian I'd say that a lot of what might be considered "Christian" reflect one of two things: 1) the cultures in which it developed and spread or 2) a reaction against those cultures as a way to differentiate themselves from others. Others will believe as they are raised or taught or learn via communion with their deities.

MstrTiger -> RE: Christian Kink (4/26/2006 1:55:20 PM)
I don’t think I know of any Christian sect that that removes a woman’s clitoris though there are some native religions in northern Africa that do it, they do it because they see it is the female equivalent of a man being circumcised. They don’t do it to stop a women from committing a sin it is just part of their culture though Christian missionary’s did not see it like that. What about the part in the bible where it says your body is a temple does that go against BDSM? Perhaps they have finally realised that religion is all about spirituality and belief and not about rigidly following how people looked upon and interpreted the world many 100s of years ago. I think the only actual things god says in the bible are let there be light etc, the 10 commandments and I think I remember his saying something to john the Baptist at some point. A lot of what is said in the bible is just human speculation and interpretation and is should be updated to reflect modern society and science. It said on the news this morning that the pope is reconsidering the catholic churches stance on the use of condoms, apparently he sees using them as the lesser of two evils when it comes to preserving life in light to the African aids epidemic.

Saraheli -> RE: Christian Kink (4/26/2006 3:12:30 PM)
no no no, the floggers should be made of the skin flayed from the backs of sinners.

SimplyV -> RE: Christian Kink (4/26/2006 3:16:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MstrTiger What about the part in the bible where it says your body is a temple does that go against BDSM? laughs Oddly enough that particular phrase in scripture has been warped and used to mean anything and everything.. Including no piercings or tattoos, no medical treatment cept prayer, eating only certain things, not eating certain things, only wearing certain things, not wearing certain things.. doing, not doing, saying, not saying.. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&chapter=6&version=31&context=chapter (verse 19) You can also select different translations if you want. It talks about sexual immorality. If you read several versions, what you find consistant is that sexual immorality is letting your hormones rule over your heart and mind. Aka.. gratification no matter the cost. One of the consistant themes throughout the Bible is the teachings of moderation and not letting any one thing control you, whether it be greed, gluttony, or sexual desire. That is what I take away from that portion of scripture.

PassionDevotion -> RE: Christian Kink (4/26/2006 3:24:57 PM)
I not only find submission fits perfectly with biblical teachings, it seems like the world would be a happier, more peaceful place if more people followed D/s philosophies.

misfire -> RE: Christian Kink (4/26/2006 3:53:41 PM)
Ah.. a topic after my own heart. There's absolutely nothing wrong with kinks and religion coexisting peacefully. I've done my own translations -- not full translations, mind you, but I spent a lot of time at a Christian university and studied Hebrew and Greek in my spare time. (I didn't get very far, as I was kicked out after a year, but I'm hoping to continue my translations in my spare time.) I've found nothing to suggest that modern Christianity is on the mark concerning sex -- homosexuality condemned? I don't follow Levitican teachings.. I like my multifiber clothings, I like my lobster and crab, and I like lying with women as I do with men. Some scholars believe the Old Testament covenant has been fulfilled with the coming of Christ, which would mean that the Old Testament serves as a historical document. The New Testament's letters, mostly from Paul, were historical in a sense as well. If we're going to believe that homosexuality is wrong, as stated in Romans, then we should stop wearing silver and gold.. or perfume. And we women certainly shouldn't cut our hair short; all three are the mark of Roman prostitutes. (And if my research is correct, then the Greek word used for 'homosexuality' referred to pedophilia.) ..sorry for going off on that tangent. ;) I tend to get rambly about this subject sometimes. Seriously though, I don't recall Jesus preaching about The One True Sexual Position. Nor do I recall Paul writing to warn the church of the evils of riding crops. Anyone who spouts off such nonsense as "missionary is the only right position" probably has something unresolved to work out.

SimplyV -> RE: Christian Kink (4/26/2006 4:17:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: misfire (And if my research is correct, then the Greek word used for 'homosexuality' referred to pedophilia.) Its also translated as prostitute in several parts of the Bible as well, back in a time where at the Temple there were many male prostitutes available (believe many were young boys). It was a cultural custom at the time I believe, and in a couple places in the Bible.. it was an abomination against God.

Level -> RE: Christian Kink (4/26/2006 4:26:45 PM)
Very interesting thread. I'm enjoying it. Level

MrDiscipline44 -> RE: Christian Kink (4/26/2006 5:17:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania Kinda the same reason I could never be a Gorean slave girl, I do not think men being submissive is in some way shameful Actually, The Gorean books have males slaves and there are r/l houses that have them, they're just not as common as female slaves.

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