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RE: Rand supporter stomp on womans head - 10/27/2010 3:25:48 PM

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Alex did not say she rushed Rand.

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RE: Rand supporter stomp on womans head - 10/27/2010 3:26:23 PM

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She was pushing through the crowd to give Rand an award.

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RE: Rand supporter stomp on womans head - 10/27/2010 3:35:08 PM

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Ok- I see.

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RE: Rand supporter stomp on womans head - 10/27/2010 3:39:58 PM

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He is male, By the size of his feet and the position of his pants leg, along with the Drs report of a concussion, you can believe whatever the fuck you want... as usual you are wrong.

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Take it up with CNN. They reported that she attempted to "rush" RP and that is why she was subdued. You do know what assault is, right?

Yeah, rushing up to someone does not constitute assault. What they did to her does.

Wrong. Rushing up to someone constitutes assault if it is reasonably feared by the victim to be a danger. What they did to her was assaut AND battery.

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RE: Rand supporter stomp on womans head - 10/27/2010 3:45:48 PM

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Then security would have handled it.

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RE: Rand supporter stomp on womans head - 10/27/2010 3:53:09 PM

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Then security would have handled it.

What makes you think that some of the men subduing her werent security?

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RE: Rand supporter stomp on womans head - 10/27/2010 3:54:58 PM

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IF they were they got more problems.

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RE: Rand supporter stomp on womans head - 10/27/2010 4:02:34 PM

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Wrong. Rushing up to someone constitutes assault if it is reasonably feared by the victim to be a danger. What they did to her was assaut AND battery.

Want to show were Rand stated he was in fear from this woman?

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RE: Rand supporter stomp on womans head - 10/27/2010 4:26:37 PM

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What gets me is that you lie once again about what someone posted. Show me where I defended him? And his heel is not on her head.

You have to be kidding, right ? He clearly pushes his boot into her back and then flicks the heel onto her head, and yes, denying he does this is defending him.

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RE: Rand supporter stomp on womans head - 10/27/2010 4:28:52 PM

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I'm waiting for the debate about how that black guy at Altamount was asking for it...

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RE: Rand supporter stomp on womans head - 10/27/2010 4:47:24 PM

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What gets me is that you lie once again about what someone posted. Show me where I defended him? And his heel is not on her head.

You have to be kidding, right ? He clearly pushes his boot into her back and then flicks the heel onto her head, and yes, denying he does this is defending him.

We disagree on what happened, and regardless of that it is not defending him, it is merely pointing out differeing interpretations of the events. Nowhere do I justify his actions or distinguish between the severity of either view of what he did. Reading comprehension has never been your strong point though.

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RE: Rand supporter stomp on womans head - 10/27/2010 4:50:41 PM

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I am hoping that Rand wins... and the way the media portrays him- will back fire - KY will elect him.

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RE: Rand supporter stomp on womans head - 10/27/2010 6:50:34 PM

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He is male, By the size of his feet and the position of his pants leg, along with the Drs report of a concussion, you can believe whatever the fuck you want... as usual you are wrong.

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Take it up with CNN. They reported that she attempted to "rush" RP and that is why she was subdued. You do know what assault is, right?

Yeah, rushing up to someone does not constitute assault. What they did to her does.

Wrong. Rushing up to someone constitutes assault if it is reasonably feared by the victim to be a danger. What they did to her was assaut AND battery.

What online school did you get your law degree from?

My suggestion would be to use your impressive legal skills to sue the school for breach of contract, because you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

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RE: Rand supporter stomp on womans head - 10/27/2010 6:54:18 PM

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I'm waiting for the debate about how that black guy at Altamount was asking for it...

I saw that film,and he certainly was asking for it.....what the fuck was he doing at a Rolling Stones concert.....especially one whose security was being handled by the Hells Angels.
That brother didn't notice all of the leather colors......what was he fucking stupid?

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RE: Rand supporter stomp on womans head - 10/27/2010 10:31:10 PM

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There is no excuse for what this POS Profitt did, and I sincerely hope that he receives a nice sentence for assault and battery. Had he been wearing boots or applied just a bit more force, Valle would likely still be in the hospital or worse. She was down and not a threat; he vented his anger on her. He's guilty, end of story.

That said, Valle's account of the incident seems to have some holes.

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"And I was simply there to hold a sign," Valle said. "But, that wasn't - wasn't okay with them."

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"What happened was when they realized that I was there, they actually formed a circle behind me and then as the car pulled up - before Rand was even out of the car - … they stepped in front of me,"

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Valle said all she wanted was for Paul to see her sign.

Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/10/27/earlyshow/main6995613.shtml

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Valle said that the closest she got to Paul was "about five feet away" and that was only because she was running from the crowd

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/26/lauren-valle-reveals-new-_n_774328.html
Here's a video I haven't seen on this thread yet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss8AOYDfiyo
(suggestion: turn off your speakers to miss the zombie chanting *shudder*)
I don't know how others will see it, but the video seems to refute Valle's story that she was just there to hold a sign. As for wanting Paul to see her sign, I'm pretty much betting that he did, since she ran up and thrust it into his face before he was even out of the car. It appears that the first person to physically contact her was wearing a suit, and was likely official security. Once pulled away from blocking the car door, it seems that she did indeed run around the car to try and approach him again and was stopped by supporters at that time, which is when things got ugly.

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She was pushing through the crowd to give Rand an award.

C'mon, Tazzy, you know better than that. The 'award' was a sign designed to embarrass Rand, and her 'mission' was to get a picture of him with that sign. We are talking about an experienced and paid political activist here, not some sweet young girl who hasn't done this sort of thing before. Given her story, I have to wonder why a) she needed a 'partner' in order to hold a sign, and b) she was wearing a blonde wig and hoodie.

I pretty much detest politics and the games that are played. To me, this looks like an attempted publicity stunt gone very wrong, and one that could have had tragic consequences. That said, I don't see any innocents here. It's funny, though. The idea behind the whole thing was to embarrass Rand, and I'm pretty sure that it was a success in that regard. It's ironic that it was one of his supporters that made it so successful by being an asshat and making paid activist Valle a heroine.
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RE: Rand supporter stomp on womans head - 10/27/2010 10:39:16 PM

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Wyld, dear, you did notice i never mentioned how abusive it was to take her to the ground... because i didnt find that abusive in light of all that has been documented. I considered that a protective act on part of security, and from what i saw, she wasnt knocked to the ground, but lowered. However, the foot to her head/neck, whatever region was abusive, she wasnt fighting, she was, at that point, no threat to anyone.

The reason she gave for the wig and hoodie was because she had been there for a few days and that everyone knew her and why she was there. But that, again, isnt the point. The point is that she was down, not fighting, and still a boot came into contact with her body, enough for a concussion to be the diagnosis as a result.

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RE: Rand supporter stomp on womans head - 10/27/2010 10:52:02 PM

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I'm coming late to the thread, and to the incident for that matter. There is some video that might affect the story.

MoveOn.Org Activist Lied About Events At "Head Stomping Incident"

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RE: Rand supporter stomp on womans head - 10/27/2010 11:00:03 PM

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Thats part of what Wyld was referring too.

My only complaint is how she was treated after she was on the ground. It seems very few understand the amount of damage that can come from a stomp to the head or neck. Even the man who took the woman to the ground didnt like what Profitt did... and to blame it on his bad back as the reason why he used his foot... and that if the police had done their job, none of this would have happened...

seems excuses are to go around for everyone. But the one thing that is not disputed .. except by Profitt... is that his behavior was way out of line.

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RE: Rand supporter stomp on womans head - 10/27/2010 11:19:31 PM

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Wyld, dear, you did notice i never mentioned how abusive it was to take her to the ground... because i didnt find that abusive in light of all that has been documented. I considered that a protective act on part of security, and from what i saw, she wasnt knocked to the ground, but lowered. However, the foot to her head/neck, whatever region was abusive, she wasnt fighting, she was, at that point, no threat to anyone.

Tazzy, dear, I was just making a point for those who don't do the research that we do, based on one of your posts

I also said quite clearly that Profitt was completely out of line and that he should be prosecuted.

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RE: Rand supporter stomp on womans head - 10/27/2010 11:34:59 PM

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I saw the video.

Hmm. Hard to judge, really. But if I had to make a call, I'd say that the man's actions were misdemeanor at best.

She was clearly bullrushing through the crowd, fighting off several attempts to restrain her. It could be percieved that she was in a state of mind where keeping her down was necessary.

Also, it didn't look like a 'stomp', it looked like the man was trying to hold her down by setting his foot on her shoulder then slipped, and did it again, failing to find purchase.

Stupid - epicly stupid, really - but not terribly assault worthy. Though it might fit the definition, that really depends on the local law in that area. I've seen much worse.

The biggest thing worth mentioning in my opinion is that this is just not worth the publicity. Who gives a damn if this happened at a political rally? If it happened on the street or at a party, nobody would give a damn, except the ones who should. The participants and nearby observers. This is just not national news, and it's clogging my internets dammit.

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