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willbeurdaddy -> RE: Last week for predictions.... (10/30/2010 11:50:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

After the calls are completed, the raw data is processed through a weighting program to insure that the sample reflects the overall population in terms of age, race, gender, political party, and other factors. The processing step is required because different segments of the population answer the phone in different ways. For example, women answer the phone more than men, older people are home more and answer more than younger people, and rural residents typically answer the phone more frequently than urban residents.

The Company that does Rasmussens polling states this...

Pulse Opinion Research determines its partisan weighting targets through a dynamic weighting system that takes into account the state’s voting history, national trends, and recent polling in a particular state or geographic area.

They state nothing about weighting for cell phone use.



Because they poll cell phones




tazzygirl -> RE: Last week for predictions.... (10/30/2010 10:40:48 PM)

They do? Hmmm... cant find a single fact about them polling cell phones on their web site. But, as shown above, they do state they poll house phones. How interesting.

ETA

From Pew Research...

Including a cell-only sample with a traditional landline-based poll is feasible, as the four studies conducted last year indicate. But even if feasible, cell-only surveys are considerably more difficult and expensive to conduct than landline surveys. Federal law prohibits the use of automated dialing devices when calling cell phones so each number in the cell phone sample must be dialed manually. It also is common practice to provide respondents with a small monetary incentive to offset the cost of the airtime used during the interview. And the screening necessary to reach cell-only respondents among all of those reached on a cell phone greatly increases the effort needed to complete a given number of interviews. Pew estimates that interviewing a cell-only respondent costs approximately four to five times as much as a landline respondent.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/515/polling-cell-only-problem





Arpig -> RE: Last week for predictions.... (10/30/2010 10:55:03 PM)

I don't know about Rassmussen, but where I work we poll cell & landline, we dial random numbers, so we get all types




tazzygirl -> RE: Last week for predictions.... (10/30/2010 11:01:14 PM)

They are speaking about the autodialers, Arpig, which Rasmussen admits it uses.

Data for Rasmussen Reports survey research is collected using an automated polling methodology. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/about_us/methodology




Arpig -> RE: Last week for predictions.... (10/30/2010 11:03:46 PM)

So do we...




tazzygirl -> RE: Last week for predictions.... (10/30/2010 11:06:25 PM)

Guess your company doesnt mind breaking federal law.




Arpig -> RE: Last week for predictions.... (10/30/2010 11:08:22 PM)

We aren't in the US...Your law doesn't apply to us...its one of the advantages of being a foreigner




tazzygirl -> RE: Last week for predictions.... (10/30/2010 11:12:42 PM)

Rasmussen is in NJ.




TheHeretic -> RE: Last week for predictions.... (10/31/2010 7:23:42 AM)

Well, this is all lovely folks, but the reason Rasmussen became one of the major players was their history of getting accurate results. Can we stipulate they are doing something right and get back to the predictions? [:D]




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Last week for predictions.... (10/31/2010 3:15:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

I don't know about Rassmussen, but where I work we poll cell & landline, we dial random numbers, so we get all types


Rasmussen is random numbers also, capturing cell and landline. Its stated quite clearly on their site, so Tazzy is just playing her usual games.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Last week for predictions.... (10/31/2010 3:17:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Guess your company doesnt mind breaking federal law.


Its not breaking federal law if there is no way to identify that its a cell phone and the number is not on a do not call registry.




domiguy -> RE: Last week for predictions.... (10/31/2010 8:21:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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You mean because the Dow closed at over 11,000 today?

The market runs on speculation.
In this case, the speculation driving up the market is that the Republicans will take the House Tuesday and end future job-and economy-killing Team 0bama0 policies.



Love a guy that failed at a trucking business trying to interpret the market.




tazzygirl -> RE: Last week for predictions.... (11/1/2010 12:42:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

I don't know about Rassmussen, but where I work we poll cell & landline, we dial random numbers, so we get all types


Rasmussen is random numbers also, capturing cell and landline. Its stated quite clearly on their site, so Tazzy is just playing her usual games.


You mean this random number?

Methodology
Data for Rasmussen Reports survey research is collected using an automated polling methodology. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.

Generally speaking, the automated survey process is identical to that of traditional, operator-assisted research firms such as Gallup, Harris, and Roper. However, automated polling systems use a single, digitally-recorded, voice to conduct the interview while traditional firms rely on phone banks, boiler rooms, and operator-assisted technology.

For tracking surveys such as the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll or the Rasmussen Consumer Index, the automated technology insures that every respondent hears exactly the same question, from the exact same voice, asked with the exact same inflection every single time.

All Rasmussen Reports' survey questions are digitally recorded and fed to a calling program that determines question order, branching options, and other factors. Calls are placed to randomly-selected phone numbers through a process that insures appropriate geographic representation. Typically, calls are placed from 5 pm to 9 pm local time during the week. Saturday calls are made from 11 am to 6 pm local time and Sunday calls from 1 pm to 9 pm local time.

After the calls are completed, the raw data is processed through a weighting program to insure that the sample reflects the overall population in terms of age, race, gender, political party, and other factors. The processing step is required because different segments of the population answer the phone in different ways. For example, women answer the phone more than men, older people are home more and answer more than younger people, and rural residents typically answer the phone more frequently than urban residents.

For surveys of all adults, the population targets are determined by census bureau data.

For political surveys, census bureau data provides a starting point and a series of screening questions are used to determine likely voters. The questions involve voting history, interest in the current campaign, and likely voting intentions.

Rasmussen Reports determines its partisan weighting targets through a dynamic weighting system that takes into account the state’s voting history, national trends, and recent polling in a particular state or geographic area.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/about_us/methodology

That only means the system randomly selects the numbers. Its still an automated system.




TheHeretic -> RE: Last week for predictions.... (11/1/2010 6:59:42 AM)

Seems like we should wrap this up with the prediction from the predictors, don't you think?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/144125/Republicans-Appear-Poised-Win-Big-Tuesday.aspx

Gallup's historical model suggests that a party needs at least a two-point advantage in the national House vote to win a majority of the 435 seats. The Republicans' current likely voter margin suggests that this scenario is highly probable, making the question of interest this election not whether the GOP will win the majority, but by how much. Taking Gallup's final survey's margin of error into account, the historical model predicts that the Republicans could gain anywhere from 60 seats on up, with gains well beyond that possible.


It should be noted, however, that this year's 15-point gap in favor of the Republican candidates among likely voters is unprecedented in Gallup polling and could result in the largest Republican margin in House voting in several generations. This means that seat projections have moved into uncharted territory, in which past relationships between the national two-party vote and the number of seats won may not be maintained.





tazzygirl -> RE: Last week for predictions.... (11/1/2010 7:11:58 AM)

I wasnt aware the House seats going GOP were in dispute. Silly me!




TreasureKY -> RE: Last week for predictions.... (11/3/2010 6:20:50 AM)

Fast Reply:

I find it amazing how this thread has managed to slip to the bottom of the second page.  Where are all the libs gloating about the accuracy of their predictions?  [;)]




mnottertail -> RE: Last week for predictions.... (11/3/2010 6:58:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Guess your company doesnt mind breaking federal law.


Its not breaking federal law if there is no way to identify that its a cell phone and the number is not on a do not call registry.


You should read the numbering plan of north america.(google)

You should also google npanxx.

This is absolutely (like most everything you say) wrong. 

walk down any street, in america and quote npanxxs and you will hear cell phone cell phone. it is trivial to avoid cellphones (and its the law), and before you race off in another extemporare upon which you know absolutely nothing, a poll or a google, how many people have turned their cell number into a landline or vice versa under the portablility stuff?

aint this whole post absolutely right, servantforuse?  I probably knew you at NYNEX.  I was in WhitePlains at 111 main across from the galleria, but often went down to wtc and pearl street and garden city and a whole lot of other places to work the job.




DomKen -> RE: Last week for predictions.... (11/3/2010 11:09:08 AM)

Rasmussen's incredibly accurate polling:
53 to 40
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/hawaii/questions/questions_hawaii_senate_october_13_2010

actual outcome
76 to 21




TreasureKY -> RE: Last week for predictions.... (11/3/2010 11:50:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Rasmussen's incredibly accurate polling:
53 to 40
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/hawaii/questions/questions_hawaii_senate_october_13_2010

actual outcome
76 to 21



Most of us understand how polls work and give them appropriate weight.

So... what was that you were saying about getting used to Speaker Pelosi?  [:D]




servantforuse -> RE: Last week for predictions.... (11/3/2010 12:10:35 PM)

Where is Nancy since last night ?




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