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DarkSteven -> O'Donnell strikes (out) again. (10/27/2010 6:00:07 PM)

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/27/odonnell-threatened-to-sue-radio-station/#more-131216

Summary:

O'Donnell agreed to appear on a radio station for an interview.  The interview was taped (you know, it should be obvious you're being taped when the camera gets trained on you).  Then an aide demanded that the tape, the property of the radio station, be turned over to O'Donnell because they had not specifically approved taping beforehand. 

O'Donnell herself threatened a lawsuit if the tape was not turned over, despite the fact that there was no basis for a suit.

So she doesn't understand Freedom of Speech OR Separation of Church and State.






Lucylastic -> RE: O'Donnell strikes (out) again. (10/27/2010 6:07:05 PM)

she is a sarah wannabe and failing just as dismally




tazzygirl -> RE: O'Donnell strikes (out) again. (10/27/2010 6:09:58 PM)

At least Maher thanked her for providing him more material.




slvemike4u -> RE: O'Donnell strikes (out) again. (10/27/2010 6:11:04 PM)

Nah,she is a whole nother step in devolution.When I was in high school it was the custom of borderline little girls to latch onto a best friend designed to make borderline look good.....Christine is Sarah's homely friend.....whose sole purpose is to amke Saral look paletable.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: O'Donnell strikes (out) again. (10/27/2010 6:12:33 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/27/odonnell-threatened-to-sue-radio-station/#more-131216

Summary:

O'Donnell agreed to appear on a radio station for an interview.  The interview was taped (you know, it should be obvious you're being taped when the camera gets trained on you).  Then an aide demanded that the tape, the property of the radio station, be turned over to O'Donnell because they had not specifically approved taping beforehand. 

O'Donnell herself threatened a lawsuit if the tape was not turned over, despite the fact that there was no basis for a suit.

So she doesn't understand Freedom of Speech OR Separation of Church and State.





She understands Separation of Church and State just fine...ie that there is no such thing in the Constitution.




slvemike4u -> RE: O'Donnell strikes (out) again. (10/27/2010 6:16:53 PM)

Damm,after all the trouble that Jefferson went to in ensuring seperation.I don't want to be the one to tell him Willbur,since you're the one that figured it out.....you can tell him.Try Monticello they say he haunts those halls day and night.




rulemylife -> RE: O'Donnell strikes (out) again. (10/27/2010 6:39:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/27/odonnell-threatened-to-sue-radio-station/#more-131216

Summary:

O'Donnell agreed to appear on a radio station for an interview.  The interview was taped (you know, it should be obvious you're being taped when the camera gets trained on you).  Then an aide demanded that the tape, the property of the radio station, be turned over to O'Donnell because they had not specifically approved taping beforehand. 

O'Donnell herself threatened a lawsuit if the tape was not turned over, despite the fact that there was no basis for a suit.

So she doesn't understand Freedom of Speech OR Separation of Church and State.





She understands Separation of Church and State just fine...ie that there is no such thing in the Constitution.


I believe the Supreme Court disagrees.

In fact, I think we have had this conversation.

But no matter how many court cases are thrown in your face you just keep repeating the right-wing mantra.




slvemike4u -> RE: O'Donnell strikes (out) again. (10/27/2010 6:50:00 PM)

And you expected something else ?




pogo4pres -> RE: O'Donnell strikes (out) again. (10/27/2010 6:53:03 PM)

quote:

Original : wilbeurdaddy

She understands Separation of Church and State just fine...ie that there is no such thing in the Constitution.




Again I post Jefferson's own words from his letter of 1 Jan 1802, in reply to the Danbury Baptist congregation. 

I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared  that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.

Even the most fucking stupid should be able to discern his meaning.        [8|]



Historically,
Some Knucklehead in NJ




slvemike4u -> RE: O'Donnell strikes (out) again. (10/27/2010 6:57:08 PM)

Well there you go...the answer is imbedded within your own definition [:D] 




willbeurdaddy -> RE: O'Donnell strikes (out) again. (10/27/2010 11:46:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pogo4pres

quote:

Original : wilbeurdaddy

She understands Separation of Church and State just fine...ie that there is no such thing in the Constitution.




Again I post Jefferson's own words from his letter of 1 Jan 1802, in reply to the Danbury Baptist congregation. 

I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared  that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.

Even the most fucking stupid should be able to discern his meaning.        [8|]



Historically,
Some Knucklehead in NJ



I wouldnt expect a Knucklehead from NJ to know that if you examine the complete Jeffersonian record that phrase has been totally misinterpreted.

"Throughout his public career, including two terms as President, Jefferson pursued policies incompatible with the "high and impregnable" wall the modern Supreme Court has erroneously attributed to him. For example, he endorsed the use of federal funds to build churches and to support Christian missionaries working among the Indians. The absurd conclusion that countless courts and commentators would have us reach is that Jefferson routinely pursued policies that violated his own "wall of separation."

Jefferson's wall, as a matter of federalism, was erected between the national and state governments on matters pertaining to religion and not, more generally, between the church and all civil government. In other words, Jefferson placed the federal government on one side of his wall and state governments and churches on the other. The wall's primary function was to delineate the constitutional jurisdictions of the national and state governments, respectively, on religious concerns, such as setting aside days in the public calendar for prayer, fasting, and thanksgiving. Evidence for this jurisdictional or structural understanding of the wall can be found in both the texts and the context of the correspondence between Jefferson and the Danbury Baptist Association.[5]





pogo4pres -> RE: O'Donnell strikes (out) again. (10/28/2010 3:36:55 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

I wouldnt expect a Knucklehead from NJ to know that if you examine the complete Jeffersonian record that phrase has been totally misinterpreted.

"Throughout his public career, including two terms as President, Jefferson pursued policies incompatible with the "high and impregnable" wall the modern Supreme Court has erroneously attributed to him. For example, he endorsed the use of federal funds to build churches and to support Christian missionaries working among the Indians. The absurd conclusion that countless courts and commentators would have us reach is that Jefferson routinely pursued policies that violated his own "wall of separation."

Jefferson's wall, as a matter of federalism, was erected between the national and state governments on matters pertaining to religion and not, more generally, between the church and all civil government. In other words, Jefferson placed the federal government on one side of his wall and state governments and churches on the other. The wall's primary function was to delineate the constitutional jurisdictions of the national and state governments, respectively, on religious concerns, such as setting aside days in the public calendar for prayer, fasting, and thanksgiving. Evidence for this jurisdictional or structural understanding of the wall can be found in both the texts and the context of the correspondence between Jefferson and the Danbury Baptist Association.[5]



Now for the stupid corpulent fuck from Irivine, California I post the entire Danbury Baptist letter.


To messers Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut. Gentlemen The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing. Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.  Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.  I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association assurances of my high respect & esteem.

(signed) Thomas Jefferson
Jan.1.1802.
Not one word about federal vs state, just that wall, that many imbeciles refuse to see.

Again even the most stupid of porcine fuckers should grasp the meaning. 


Historically,Some Knucklehead in NJ




samboct -> RE: O'Donnell strikes (out) again. (10/28/2010 6:10:51 AM)

David Brooks in the NY Times has pointed out that the focus on O'Donnell- who is clearly unelectable, takes away from the other races which are much closer....I think he's got a point. O'Donnell may be some form of bait, designed to draw attention with her looks and her antics, as a form of misdirection from the folks that really do have a chance- and preventing much interest in their stances. Given that many of the economic platforms of the Tea Party seem to be a return to "good times" that existed only by borrowing, ignoring the closer races may be an error.

Sam




DomKen -> RE: O'Donnell strikes (out) again. (10/28/2010 6:44:51 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
I wouldnt expect a Knucklehead from NJ to know that if you examine the complete Jeffersonian record that phrase has been totally misinterpreted.

"Throughout his public career, including two terms as President, Jefferson pursued policies incompatible with the "high and impregnable" wall the modern Supreme Court has erroneously attributed to him. For example, he endorsed the use of federal funds to build churches and to support Christian missionaries working among the Indians. The absurd conclusion that countless courts and commentators would have us reach is that Jefferson routinely pursued policies that violated his own "wall of separation."

Jefferson's wall, as a matter of federalism, was erected between the national and state governments on matters pertaining to religion and not, more generally, between the church and all civil government. In other words, Jefferson placed the federal government on one side of his wall and state governments and churches on the other. The wall's primary function was to delineate the constitutional jurisdictions of the national and state governments, respectively, on religious concerns, such as setting aside days in the public calendar for prayer, fasting, and thanksgiving. Evidence for this jurisdictional or structural understanding of the wall can be found in both the texts and the context of the correspondence between Jefferson and the Danbury Baptist Association.[5]


A Heritage Foundation article? Really?

What the author of the article leaves out is the change in Constitutional authority brough about by teh 14th amendment. Prior to the passing of the 14th Amendment no part of the Bill of Rights applied to the states (this can be shown fairly trivially by examining why the Danbury Baptists wrote Jefferson in the first place). However after the passage of the 14th Amendment most of the Bill of Rights was applied to government at all levels.




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