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RE: Holographic Universe? - 11/8/2010 6:14:36 PM   
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RE: Holographic Universe? - 11/8/2010 7:43:29 PM   
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the way I see it I have no problem with an infinite number of subsets in the xyz.


Not subsets, fluffy. Dimensions. 'descending' dimensions, but thinking of them as subsets does bad things to the reality of the situation. In a 'descending' dimension, if you crossed from v1 in octant xyz to v1 in octant -x-y-z, it'd be one step. From the perspective of the 3-dimensional passenger on the trip, you'd just jump from one octant to another without passing any of the space in between. (from an outside 3-dimensional observer's perspective, the transit would be... different.) There is a huge difference.

However, to have a '4th' dimension, there has to be signal transference in between the space in such a way that it's inviolable. Time during the transit would seem like nothing to the passenger, but from the perspective of the baser dimension, it would follow the path of the carrier signal. Kind of like how a phone conversation works; you're talking on the phone, even though your conversational partner is miles away.

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The sphere can only exist in xyz and no where else. 


Ok, no. WRONG. symmetry operations can only be done in the xyz, but it still exists in an arbitrary number of dimensions.

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I suppose one could turn xyz into a full cube and run what they would call 6 dimension but I dont really see any advantage to that.


RIGHT. There is none. Without the ability to use symmetry to cut down on wasted data, there's no efficiency gain in more than 3-dimensional indexing. Regardless, at some point the universe applies more dimensions to that sphere, when it is subject to interactions along that axis. So the additional dimensions always exist.

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I see no reason why the universe would not be processable in one xyz or worst case 1 cubed xyz coordinate system and go from there.


Then you don't know data. Build a complex database with multiple indexes and foreign keys, and you'll grok the whole multidimensional thing.


see I think that thinking in terms of space-time while it might help some people to better understand a problem it wreaks havoc with the actual and real interactions with a form of democratic physics if you know what I mean.

I realize its not the way it is taught and it really just boils down to mostly a disagreement in terms as how they see it versus how I see it.  The problem is that they are using complete abstractions as representations when there is no need to do that except for expediency, maybe laziness.   

I basically disagree with the term dimension.  call it element, line what ever and curved space-time etc again rather than fitting the math to the reality they try to fit reality into an unreal format to coddle an observer.   I disagree with that.

I believe the trade off is a better understanding of realities of the objects in xyz.

There is another form of math out there that better fits the way I think about it but damned if I can remember what its called.   lol  its been a while.




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RE: Holographic Universe? - 11/9/2010 5:42:42 AM   
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here is an example of sum fun stuff.... major holograph of the real! :)

Meyls work totally rocks!

Potential vortex, newly discovered properties of the electric field are fundamentally changing our view of the physical world.

In his books, Prof. Dr.-Ing. Konstantin Meyl develops a fitting field theory which is used to derive at all known interactions of the potential vortex. Instead of the normally used Maxwell equation, Prof. Meyl chooses Faradays law of induction, as a hypothetical factor and proves that the electric vortex is a part thereof. This potential vortex propagates scalar-like through space and is a longitudinal electric wave whose properties have already been established a century ago by Nicola Tesla. This phenomenon can now be studied and examined thanks to a fully functional replica designed by Prof. Meyl.

Prof. Meyl’s field theory is non speculative and enables new interpretations of several principles of electrical engineering and quantum physics. This leads to feasible interpretations of experimental observations which to this day have not been possible to explain via existing theories. For example, quantum particle characteristics can be calculated when interpreted as a vortex. The dielectric loss of a capacitor emerges as vortex loss. Likewise a number of neutrino experimental results can be explained when the neutrinos are regarded as a vortex. Neutrino power is available as an inexhaustible form of energy due to a remarkable overunity effect. In consideration of environmental sustainability, significant advances result by means of this revised theory regarding today’s electromagnetic pollution.

The presented theory is based on an extension of the Maxwell theory and as such is a special case scenario that does not affect classic physical laws which remain in force.

In the enhanced view of potential vortex, the physical comprehension becomes more objective. Just as Einstein’s theory, the Meyl theory explains not only interactions but temperature, to date inexplicable via conventional theories.

Prof. Meyl has written numerous books. He lectures at the Technical University of Berlin, University of Clausthal and at the University of Applied Sciences Furtwangen. In his end-of-week seminars it is possible to become familiar with the potential vortex, the objective vortex theory and to converse with Prof. Meyl. The dates are available on this site.

For in-depth information please refer to Prof. Meyls professional articles and recitations. Available for purchase on this website are books, videos and the remarkable proof of concept transmission-kit.


ok so he runs between 3 german universities and they have set this up (the students) and proved out teslas work in each case and got over unity results I belief in 2 cases and unity in the 3rd.  Cant remember this was done a long time ago.
Here is more:
8. Unified theory

With the theory of objectivity the longed for goal of a "theory of everything" (TOE), of an universal theory, seems to have moved within reach.  If in the nineteenth century still promising field theories and approaches were being discussed, then has at the latest Einstein's theory of relativity destroyed all hopes in such a theory .Science as a consequence has become very much more modest and understands a TOE only as the unification of all known interactions.

I was not aware of this but found it on meyls site; Einstein has stated the minimum demand so: "a theory should be favoured by far in which the gravitational field and the electromagnetic field together would appear as a whole" It is evident that a subjective or relativistic observer theory never is able to achieve this.

The presented theory of objectivity made it possible that the unification here for the first time actually has succeeded.  This undoubtedly brings science a whole lot further, but it still is not sufficient to lie one's hands in one's lap being content with oneself.  After all we still know very much more phenomena, which likewise should be unified.  After all it is no accident that both Maxwell and Einstein, to name only two prominent representatives, after completion of their well-known works have struggled for the question, what sort of phenomenon it concerns in the case of the temperature and how this could be integrated in their theory.

The requirement reads: We must be able to derive all basic factors, which influence our system of units with their basic units, as a compulsion-less result from the new theory.  Besides the dimensions of space and time which determine our continuum, the explanation and unification of the basic factors mass and charge has to be tackled.  If we have succeeded in doing so, we'll also tackle the problem of the fifth and last basic factor, which until now has put itself in the way of any unified theory as the question of fate, the problem of the temperature! : Einstein, A.: Grundzuge der Relativitatstheorie, Vieweg+Sohn, Braunschweig 1973, 5. Aufl., WTB 58. Seite 97.http://www.tfcbooks.com/mall/more/610sw.htm



as a side.....here are a couple vids way kool stuff, teslas cork screw wireless transmission is so efficient you can transmit electrical power...

you can imagine industry wants nothing to do with this! LOL






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RE: Holographic Universe? - 11/9/2010 6:54:57 AM   
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Hemholtzs work in vortices preceded Teslas, nevertheless, vortices are rather endemic to M string theory.  Hardly new ways of looking at this.

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RE: Holographic Universe? - 11/9/2010 2:52:37 PM   
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I basically disagree with the term dimension.


I can agree with this to a point. People have gotten too fuckin' loosy-goosy with the word, it no longer means what it should.


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RE: Holographic Universe? - 11/9/2010 2:56:03 PM   
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How do you guys feel about the Heim theory?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heim_theory


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RE: Holographic Universe? - 11/9/2010 3:02:44 PM   
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I think you all will like this;

here is meyl proving teslas work.  that is the ability to transmit not only a wave but actually power via an antenna using his long wave...   The really fun part about it is that MIT a few years ago tried to make it work with TEM waves and it was a major failure past the very limited near field... 

It does not matter these guys will keep working on BS to continually get grants for crap that does not work.

Imagine being able to transmit jiggawatts through the air and instead of losing energy at the receiving antenna it actually gathers energy...

great shit man always loved tesla!  Of course there is a problem no money in free juice!  LOL

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4615804709108706714#

check that out its great! been done for many years already

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1426638491693188239#

remote powered boats same thing tesla did in the early 1900's!


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RE: Holographic Universe? - 11/9/2010 3:10:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DMFParadox

How do you guys feel about the Heim theory?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heim_theory



right now?

Its way more than a 5 minute looksie LOL
and I really dont have the time to do it justice but if you want to share your opinion I would be interested in hearing it.  It does look interesting on a glance though...

oh and getting back to terms...
space-time

imagine all the dimensions from sleeping ewg

you would have sleep-time and dream-time and snore-time and fart-time and rem-time and beta-time and wetdream-time all combined

Lots of problems with the terms LOL





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RE: Holographic Universe? - 11/9/2010 3:53:30 PM   
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I think you all will like this;

here is meyl proving teslas work.  that is the ability to transmit not only a wave but actually power via an antenna using his long wave...   The really fun part about it is that MIT a few years ago tried to make it work with TEM waves and it was a major failure past the very limited near field... 

It does not matter these guys will keep working on BS to continually get grants for crap that does not work.

Imagine being able to transmit jiggawatts through the air and instead of losing energy at the receiving antenna it actually gathers energy...

great shit man always loved tesla!  Of course there is a problem no money in free juice!  LOL

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4615804709108706714#

check that out its great! been done for many years already

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1426638491693188239#

remote powered boats same thing tesla did in the early 1900's!



Dude's accent is a bit thick. I'm struggling with it, so I may have to put this off for now. But it's bookmarked.


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RE: Holographic Universe? - 11/9/2010 7:42:53 PM   
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What I took away from this guy's video is "I can create a changing magnetic field which induces current in nearby objects"

This is electromagnetism 101 and does not require special laws or rules which are unknown. Faraday created current by waving a magnet around a circuit, he's just using a cooler magnet.

Also I have found little evidence for faster than light waves in tesla coils. The little evidence I've found seems more to buy into the fact information travels faster than light. This is to say, if I make a wave, you can see the wave I made before it reaches you. Misinterpreting this, we arise at "this wave moved faster than light"

A great example. Flick a light switch and the light comes on. The electron from the power company has not passed through that light bulb yet, but rather the electrons inside of it are being pushed, making the light come on long before the electrons from the power company reach it.

Your theory seems to rely more on making magic out of physics 101 tricks. Your abandonment of the definition of dimension only proves your own confusion of the meaning. You often offered various definitions of what I might be referring to, even though I explicitly said a physical dimension.

How does meyl's theory of everything, for example, explain quantum tunneling? And you've said free energy a few times, are you saying a perpetual motion machine is possible then?

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RE: Holographic Universe? - 11/9/2010 8:31:54 PM   
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What I took away from this guy's video is "I can create a changing magnetic field which induces current in nearby objects"

This is electromagnetism 101 and does not require special laws or rules which are unknown. Faraday created current by waving a magnet around a circuit, he's just using a cooler magnet.

Also I have found little evidence for faster than light waves in tesla coils. The little evidence I've found seems more to buy into the fact information travels faster than light. This is to say, if I make a wave, you can see the wave I made before it reaches you. Misinterpreting this, we arise at "this wave moved faster than light"

A great example. Flick a light switch and the light comes on. The electron from the power company has not passed through that light bulb yet, but rather the electrons inside of it are being pushed, making the light come on long before the electrons from the power company reach it.

Your theory seems to rely more on making magic out of physics 101 tricks. Your abandonment of the definition of dimension only proves your own confusion of the meaning. You often offered various definitions of what I might be referring to, even though I explicitly said a physical dimension.

How does meyl's theory of everything, for example, explain quantum tunneling? And you've said free energy a few times, are you saying a perpetual motion machine is possible then?

It's been kinda fun watching people engage Real0ne, and he is pretty intelligent in a lot of ways, and some of his basic political points I agree with.

But, in the long run, after you've talked with him a while, and tried to argue in a logical manner, you're likely to draw the same conclusion that many here have: you are wasting your time.

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RE: Holographic Universe? - 11/9/2010 8:58:36 PM   
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What I took away from this guy's video is "I can create a changing magnetic field which induces current in nearby objects"

This is electromagnetism 101 and does not require special laws or rules which are unknown. Faraday created current by waving a magnet around a circuit, he's just using a cooler magnet.

Also I have found little evidence for faster than light waves in tesla coils. The little evidence I've found seems more to buy into the fact information travels faster than light. This is to say, if I make a wave, you can see the wave I made before it reaches you. Misinterpreting this, we arise at "this wave moved faster than light"

A great example. Flick a light switch and the light comes on. The electron from the power company has not passed through that light bulb yet, but rather the electrons inside of it are being pushed, making the light come on long before the electrons from the power company reach it.

Your theory seems to rely more on making magic out of physics 101 tricks. Your abandonment of the definition of dimension only proves your own confusion of the meaning. You often offered various definitions of what I might be referring to, even though I explicitly said a physical dimension.

How does meyl's theory of everything, for example, explain quantum tunneling? And you've said free energy a few times, are you saying a perpetual motion machine is possible then?



wow if that is all you got out of that then you either did not really absorb what was being said or skipped through it and I suppose even though you are very intelligent you maybe simply cannot wrap your head around it.

Anyway... that said, I assume you are well aware that we do not have any instrument that can detect an electomagnetic field produced by 50 milliwatts at 60 meters from the source?   I am not going rewatch it unless I am challenged on the matter to get those numbers exact since he may havce said 60 milliwatts and 62 meters.

You must know that 60 meters is far field and magnetism drops off at square of the distance so you see what you claim cannot be the case.

well there is no such thing as perpetual motion as that would be required to go into infinity, however there is motion for many times your lifetime.

It would run as long as there would be neutrinos in the universe to impact the membrane but perpetual, nothing is perpetual because the neutrinos might stop some day. 

Not even the sun is perpetual and look at all the free energy we get from that....but I say that "very" quietly because they might tax that next!!!!  LOL

There are kids out there on bootoob who are proving teslas experiments and they ALL work.

I dont know where all my meyl stuff is that goes over his unified theory and unfortunately I dont have time to indulge to overly deeply into this with anyone but you can find his stuff out there if you want to investigate it.  Not sure if he converted it as most of it was in german.

The way I see it we can play with quarks till hell freezes over and if we dont understand teslas work we are scoffing at the whole "other" side to physics that is "real" but "hated" by commerce because the "ptb" cannot get rich from it. 

Tesla said that with his "magnifying transmitter" he would be able to produce 100,000 horsepower with 10 horsepower in.  (spark generator)

Dont forget he back fed the colorado springs power plant so heavily that he blew the generators.

Its really great stuff and it really pisses some people off that it works!  LOL

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RE: Holographic Universe? - 11/9/2010 9:21:57 PM   
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It's been kinda fun watching people engage Real0ne, and he is pretty intelligent in a lot of ways, and some of his basic political points I agree with.

But, in the long run, after you've talked with him a while, and tried to argue in a logical manner, you're likely to draw the same conclusion that many here have: you are wasting your time.

Firm


I think the problem is that I have never followed the crowd because as you can see in government the crowd has no clue where they are going.

Some of my favorite topics and research areas are for the most part completely foreign to the general public at large.

For example our workgroups over the past month have finally laid out all the law proving beyond a shadow of a doubt we live in a feudal society right here in America right now today.  After saying it for years and having the proof by treaty is one thing but going to into the law here is entirely another.  That is why I do not have time to indulge in many of these other fun things.  History in the making :)

Now imagine if I put that up as a topic?   

I wonder how Americans will feel when they find out they have been completely duped?  They will probly go into shock and complete denial because traditional beliefs invariably overrules a voracity of facts. ...thats where my bet is... LOL


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RE: Holographic Universe? - 11/9/2010 9:33:13 PM   
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I think you all will like this;

here is meyl proving teslas work.  that is the ability to transmit not only a wave but actually power via an antenna using his long wave...   The really fun part about it is that MIT a few years ago tried to make it work with TEM waves and it was a major failure past the very limited near field... 

It does not matter these guys will keep working on BS to continually get grants for crap that does not work.

Imagine being able to transmit jiggawatts through the air and instead of losing energy at the receiving antenna it actually gathers energy...

great shit man always loved tesla!  Of course there is a problem no money in free juice!  LOL

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4615804709108706714#

check that out its great! been done for many years already

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1426638491693188239#

remote powered boats same thing tesla did in the early 1900's!



Dude's accent is a bit thick. I'm struggling with it, so I may have to put this off for now. But it's bookmarked.



yeh its excellent stuff as on the surface one would say impossible!

It reminds me of an open capacitor tone kit I built as a kid where coming close to it and waving your hands around it would change the field and make different tones.  was a great show n tell piece but the jacobs ladder ruled. 


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RE: Holographic Universe? - 11/10/2010 6:41:40 PM   
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Personally I am indifferent to philosophy and theoretical physics because most people can't get their heads around the theoretical part and start passing their view off as fact when tomorrow there will be some information disproving it.

In short discussion furthers my own understanding of both the subject matter and of how people handle themselves when they are anonymous. Good social understanding all around. When I worked as a cashier I'd let the plastic bags run out and not refill them to see what type of people would go out of their way to ask for them, stuff like that's fun.

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RE: Holographic Universe? - 11/10/2010 6:56:57 PM   
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I understand he is a little bit higher leveled than a simple magnet, but he is sending out electromagnetic waves and using it to induce a current. What is so special about it? Tesla was a genius, no doubt about it, but many of his inventions were clever applications, some of which rely unknowingly on quantum effects.

Also if you want proof of time as a real thing then think about this experiment. If you and I both have clocks which are perfectly synced. I get on an airplane and circle the earth while you stay still and I land after a while and we compare our clocks...my clock will read as less time being passed.

This is both evidence as people "feeling" the force or dimension or what have you of time at different rates dependent on velocity and also proof of Einstein's work. This experiment works, its not theoretical.


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