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slvemike4u -> RE: Legalize IT (10/30/2010 7:03:17 AM)
And I find your lawsuit theory far fetched to say the least.What grounds would a plaintiff have for blaming the gov't....making something legal does not compel anyone to use such a substance. Your theory is actually the flimsiest justification for continuing this failed policy that I have ever heard.

rulemylife -> RE: Legalize IT (10/30/2010 7:06:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel Actually many car crashes are DUIs and that doesn't mean its just alcohol. Also, i will find it amusing when people start suing the govenment for harm marijuana causes them because the government decided to legalize it after it being illegal. They are caught between a rock and a hard place, if they keep it illegal it will always be a nuisance, if they legalize it they are making themselves responsible for anything that goes wrong with it. The fact that its been illegal for almost longer than most of us have been alive is a big factor, by keeping it illegal we are saying any harm that comes from it s expected. By making it legal, we are saying ohh its not that bad, its okay, and opening the government and suppliers and such to being held responsible for the harm it may cause. I can see why they don't want to legalize it. People are way to happy to place responsibility of their actions on others, and just the fact that it was illegal for such a long time will set up this government for a responsibility i don't believe it should or can accept. In this day and age, they would be stupid to legalize it. angel No, actually they are pretty stupid not to legalize it. You can draw a direct parallel between the gang wars during Prohibition and what is occurring today. If you remove the criminal element then it becomes a business like any other. The idea that legalizing it will increase usage is ridiculous. Prohibition didn't decrease alcohol use, it only created an illicit industry.

mnottertail -> RE: Legalize IT (10/30/2010 7:13:23 AM)
quote: barelyanangel: They are caught between a rock and a hard place, if they keep it illegal it will always be a nuisance, if they legalize it they are making themselves responsible for anything that goes wrong with it. This doesn't compute for me. I go down to the Municipal liquor store in New York Mills, flop my fat ass down on the barstool, and get me a heapin helpin of Wild Turkey from the bonded by feds and kentucky bottle Thistle the bargirl just cracked open. A little later on that night, I weave and wend my way to my rural Richville home where all unknowing like I run over the next door neighbors kid jimbobbillyboy's tricycle he left out in the middle of the fucking road......bump bump bump ....huh, musta been a skunk......not so distantly in the future good old Augie Fitch, the local sherrifs deputy comes a callin'..... I am then ensconsed in the finest portland and stainless steel cubicle money can buy...I go see the lawgiver in the morning, you know, ol Judge Tom Stringer who I had been out drinking with the night before.......and he says, well now, was you drunk? I say yassur!!! 2 grand and some miscellany amounting to about another 2 grand and 2 weeks of listening to state police tell me how to avoid drinking and driving later, the onus is certainly all on me, no mayor, governor or president of the united states who oversaw the making, taxing and serving profits of it has to sit thru the spectacle with me or hand out any after tax dollars in deep and regrettable debt to society paying shame. No, they know how to avoid that consequence already. So I know not what you may do, but for me and my house; I say: Legalize Information Technology.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Legalize IT (10/30/2010 7:21:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: Charles6682 Where's the Conservative Republican's on this issue.This is the most confusing aspect to me out of all of this.They say they are for "less government",yet they continue to advocate this being illegal more than anyone.Democrat's aren't any better but at least they are easing up off of the medical marijuana debate.Come on conservative's,you claim you are for more freedom and less government.This area just might bring you some hidden and unknown Republican's. Well I am conservative and I have posted my opinion a couple of times on cm. What confuses me is why it matters what side of the fence I am on. Does everything have to be taken to the right vs left with you? Can you ever talk about something without bringing that bs to the boards? My guess is that he didn't really read the thread, just let his biases get away from him, otherwise he would have seen at least a couple of more, i.e. me and Heretic. Firm

flcouple2009 -> RE: Legalize IT (10/30/2010 7:38:09 AM)
Medical marijuana is legal in California but someone who posses a valid prescription can still be fired for failing a drug test. If the proposition passes and employers are still allowed to fire someone who is not high on the job then what has been gained for the causal user? (other than the obvious criminal implications)

TheHeretic -> RE: Legalize IT (10/30/2010 7:43:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Charles6682 Where's the Conservative Republican's on this issue. Hello. Are you stoned?

barelynangel -> RE: Legalize IT (10/30/2010 8:23:25 AM)
Ron, if you had HURT someone based on being drunk, they would sue you, the bar, and the bartender -- they don't sue the govenment because over the past 70 years people either have tried and failed or there isn't supporting case law for them to waste their time. Your attorney if he is smart would in fact argue it was everyone elses fault to establish comparable fault. As well as many people who fight DUIs do in fact attempt to get out of it by blaming others. Working in law where lawsuits and getting money for every pain or gone wrong concept, i can guarauntee you even smokers of maijuana would utilize the leglization of same to blame the government and sue the government if say they got in an accident for same or say if it does show it does in fact cause some type of brain damage, people will sue the government saying they should never have ADVOCATED smoking it by legalizing it. Even if they smoked it when it was illegal. People will say, well when they legalized it, i thought they thought it was okay. Someone else mentioned usage: And in fact the "usage" would statistically be higher because more people will admit to using it if its legal. Whether or not that is greater usage i don't know and i never said it would INCREASE usage, but when you make something legal because people will be more willing to admit it when they can't get slammed for it. Also, prohibition was what 10 years a little more which ended a couple years before marijuana was banned? Marijuana has been illegal since 1940s over 70 years. Damn straight the admittance of use will be higher. Sorry i don't know the statistics, but yeah, people in this day and age are sue happy, they will in deed blame the govenment and attempt to sue it, which does in fact cost the government money. And btw i never said if i was fore or against it. So be careful in presuming. I simply said i can see why they may not wish to do so, as well as acknoledge what will continue if they don't. Since i don't smoke it, i really don't care if they do or don't legalize it. WHich is why i probably am looking at it the way i do since i see the trend of lawsuits in this world working in such a field. Anyway, i hope it works out for the best. angel

tazzygirl -> RE: Legalize IT (10/30/2010 9:24:39 AM)
quote: Nobody tell me this ain't so, because my gyn refuses to give me hormone replacement pills after having chemos for lymphoma because he's afraid of giving me cancer Lymphoma is cancer or didnt your Dr explain that. Of course he wont prescribe you birth control pills because you are already at the high risk end, gesh. quote: In the past when I've had chemos, I wish pot had been legal and I wish I had been able to take it instead of compazine. At least this would have given me some appetite and would have calmed my nerves a little, instead I was given additional nerve pills that had a warning label that said it would make me drowsy and not to drive a car. Reread my posts. I whole heartedly approve of medical use for marijuana. quote: I was also told that in my state if anyone is caught driving while impaired by any kind of medication, even something like Benadryl, they would be jailed. We already have laws on the books for driving under the influence of alcohol or meds that would cause impairment. If someone got drunk on vodka and chewed some grape Bubble Yum (that's what they were doing in my jr. high to disguise the smell), how would a policeman know when he cannot smell it and there are no containers in the vehicle? Sweetheart, how old are you? Vodka has virtually no smell, which is why so many teens drink it. The bubblegum didnt disguise a thing except whatever you may have mixed the vodka with. As far as DUI's, they have yet to come out with a field test for marijuana use as they have for alcohol.

slvemike4u -> RE: Legalize IT (10/30/2010 9:30:50 AM)
Legalise it....I'm tired of being a criminal.Case closed.

TheRaptorJesus -> RE: Legalize IT (10/30/2010 9:41:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance quote: ORIGINAL: TheRaptorJesus The reason the DEA supports decriminalizing it (reread that please... the DEA supports it) is because it would take a lot of power away from the Mexican drug cartels. It would also lead to less people drinking or becoming alcoholics... would relieve stress of a lot of wound up people. And hey... it's freedom. Sweet, delicious freedom. Why do you hate freedom? Your facts supporting that for a fact it would take away the power from the drug cartels? Last I checked pot wasnt the only drug in the world,......Coke is still going to be a problem and its still going to be smuggled in and they are still going to have the same amount of power....... Your facts to prove people would drink less? What makes being addicted to the feeling of being high any less then drinking?So instead of Alcoholics we will have more drug addicts..... Yes thats the solution..... Are you assured it would relieve the stress of wound up people? You do realize Pot affects people differently not everyone gets mellow... in fact some people get MANIC Hell some people go psycho... You cannot assure that EVERY person doing pot is going to be mellow, just like you cant assure everyone who drinks is going to be a happy giggly drunk.... The difference is you can tell when someones had to much to drink and you can cut them off, you cant tell if one puff or one bowl is too much for someone smoking pot. And what makes it freedom? Theres nothing that will come of making pot legal aside from death of innocent people, and people taking in the tax revenue that lines the pockets of everyone but the average tax payer, ETA a part then to fix it because Im forgetting words.... Lol... holy shit there's no point in arguing with you because you're entirely misinformed with no desire to undo it and I'm not feeling entirely up to trolling right now. Wow.

TreasureKY -> RE: Legalize IT (10/30/2010 8:38:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Charles6682 Where's the Conservative Republican's on this issue. Hello. Are you stoned? LOL... I've noted quite a few conservatives who support the legalization. Add my name to that list, too.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Legalize IT (10/30/2010 9:38:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance Tobacco its SELF and only TOBACCO when dried completely naturally is not HARMFUL its the products MADE from tobacco. Theirs a HUGE difference, why because tobacco products have added chemicals, that make them HARMFUL. The chemicals in Cigarettes are what makes them harmful which is linked to the cancer the emphysema the circulatory problems. IF you added the same chemicals to a different plant, youd have a slightly different taste but the same problems would occur. Ya know 150 years ago, people who smoked pipes really didnt cough all that much or have such issues, it wasnt until it was produced with chemicals it started to have an issue. You have links to epidemiological studies supporting your contentions, of course. Right? quote: I dont have a problem with people smoking pot and staying in their homes until the effects wear off. I have a problem with those people doing several things Driving while high, smoking in enclosed corners where more then themselves are affected (contact high) The effects of pot on them long term that can and will lead to the harm of others. DWStoned: undesireable. Second-hand smoke (contact high) repeated studies of urine tests have shown that this doesn't occur. That's why it's not a legal defense. Long-term use: Long-term consumption WILL lead to ther harm of others? Prove it. quote: You see smoking pot wither or not you can comprehend it, KILLS brain cells, as brain cells are killed more and more, people smoking it more and more will become progressively stupider, doing things that they normally wouldnt do. Prove it. quote: Have you ever seen the effects on someone whos smoked pot for 30 years straight? I have, they had difficulty adding things like multiplication, I have a hard time adding multiplication, myself. I just stick to multiplying. quote: or even noticing the difference from the light changing from yellow to red. That happens with people on caffeine. quote: Legal or not people are still going to smoke pot, Its just if its made legal more people will do it, which means more people will be affected by the harmful effects. You should be able to find studies from Portugal or the Netherlands backing this up. Find them.

Charles6682 -> RE: Legalize IT (10/31/2010 1:20:35 AM)
Fair enough.This is a non-partisan issue.This isn't a party vote decision.This is a simple commonsense right that I feel is long overdue.This isn't about republican's,democrat's,independent,conservative,liberal,moderate or whatever else.This is about doing the right thing.

CynthiaWVirginia -> RE: Legalize IT (10/31/2010 3:18:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Nobody tell me this ain't so, because my gyn refuses to give me hormone replacement pills after having chemos for lymphoma because he's afraid of giving me cancer Lymphoma is cancer or didnt your Dr explain that. Of course he wont prescribe you birth control pills because you are already at the high risk end, gesh. quote: In the past when I've had chemos, I wish pot had been legal and I wish I had been able to take it instead of compazine. At least this would have given me some appetite and would have calmed my nerves a little, instead I was given additional nerve pills that had a warning label that said it would make me drowsy and not to drive a car. Reread my posts. I whole heartedly approve of medical use for marijuana. quote: I was also told that in my state if anyone is caught driving while impaired by any kind of medication, even something like Benadryl, they would be jailed. We already have laws on the books for driving under the influence of alcohol or meds that would cause impairment. If someone got drunk on vodka and chewed some grape Bubble Yum (that's what they were doing in my jr. high to disguise the smell), how would a policeman know when he cannot smell it and there are no containers in the vehicle? Sweetheart, how old are you? Vodka has virtually no smell, which is why so many teens drink it. The bubblegum didnt disguise a thing except whatever you may have mixed the vodka with. As far as DUI's, they have yet to come out with a field test for marijuana use as they have for alcohol. Tazzygirl, we have several misunderstandings going on here. I get tired of writing fast reply at the top of my posts, and sometimes I don't feel like going back to the original page so that my reply names the OP in "reply to". It's my style to address someone by name when one of my posts are directed at them, or to quote something they say. I used no quotes at all in my previous post. Now for the rest. quote: Lymphoma is cancer or didnt your Dr explain that. No sht. When I was diagnosed I read everything I could get my hands on, even information from 1-800-4-CANCER. I saw two surgeons that I can remember, and an oncologist. When was I diagnosed? I've forgotten exactly, as we have had two national disasters since then, but it was around eight or ten years ago. The first three times I had to go through chemo, it was Rituxan, Vincristine, Cytoxan, and Prednisone. The last time was Fludarabine (sp?). I had portacath surgery over my right collar bone, a huge farking needle biopsy that went through the small of my back deep into my pelvis, and three surgeries to remove bad lymph nodes that were operable. The last one, the Fludarabine, messed up my ovaries and put me into early menopause, which gives me blinding migraines, hot flashes that feel like I have been shoved into a hot oven, and all kinds of stupid shiite. Did you know that chemo can give you lymphoma? Did you know that my last two chemos didn't work and I was on the "yer fcked" list called "wait and see"? I am in remission due to a miracle...and this is my life...MINE, and I have to live with the consequences of any choices made. I am very aware of cancers, and of the possibility that someday I could come out of remission again. quote: Of course he wont prescribe you birth control pills because you are already at the high risk end, gesh. If my cancer had been breast or ovarian or uterine, yes I could see keeping me off hormone pills, but for lymphoma, no. Wanna bet if I go to my gyno and tell him I still get some periods and that I plan to get laid that he will put me on The Pill...yep, hormone pills of a sort. I have tried those soy substitutes for menopause and they do not work on me. My best friend died two Dec. 24ths ago from lymphoma, and my favorite aunt died earlier this year from ovarian cancer, and since I am experienced through the school of hard knocks, I have helped several others through chemo, surgery, and radiation therapies...if you doubt that I've had lymphoma then maybe we need to make a bet through lawyers...you'd lose, but that's okay with me because my house can use a new roof. quote: Reread my posts. I whole heartedly approve of medical use for marijuana. No. [;)] And for the second part...good for you. We had a misunderstanding that I had been talking to you. THIS is how it looks like when I am talking to someone, for future reference. quote: Sweetheart, how old are you? *46 years old...and nobody calls me sweetheart unless they're trying to fck me...got that, hon?** As for the remarks about vodka...it was junior high school, and I didn't drink. I may have one or two glasses of wine in a year, and some years I skip. My point was clear enough. The men seemed to understand and have no quarrel, so it's amusing that you do. Some alcohol drinking can be disguised by drivers and by high school kids...until it impairs their coordination. Alcohol is not the only thing that impairs coordination and the ability to drive...I used to have to sit in my car for hours (frying in the summer, freezing in the winter) until the Benadryl and other stuff wore off and I could drive home safely. quote: As far as DUI's, they have yet to come out with a field test for marijuana use as they have for alcohol. There should be some kind of impairment test though, and a drug sniffing dog can give a clue that it's pot. ********* Now that I'm finished talking with tazzygirl, I will continue commenting on this thread in general. People in the town I was flooded out of are on the streets, in cars, everywhere...and sadly enough, most remaining residents seem to be using some drug or another, legal or not. The town has a bad reputation because if it's people. I thought that would mean more accidents, when those yahoos visited Bluefield...but when I asked a cop about it recently...I was told most of the accidents we have are from people visiting from Ohio. They have a more aggressive driving style. The people who do it illegally and irresponsibly are already doing it, so I don't see how making it legal will change my area in a negative way. Maybe cause major loss of income to suppliers and put more taxes into government coffers...make the stuff meet government standards and not have fungus or something in it. For pot, I just don't care. It is not chemically addictive like alcohol is, both can give cancer, and yet one is legal and the other is not. I really cannot see the logic of keeping it illegal.**

thishereboi -> RE: Legalize IT (10/31/2010 4:29:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: Charles6682 Where's the Conservative Republican's on this issue.This is the most confusing aspect to me out of all of this.They say they are for "less government",yet they continue to advocate this being illegal more than anyone.Democrat's aren't any better but at least they are easing up off of the medical marijuana debate.Come on conservative's,you claim you are for more freedom and less government.This area just might bring you some hidden and unknown Republican's. Well I am conservative and I have posted my opinion a couple of times on cm. What confuses me is why it matters what side of the fence I am on. Does everything have to be taken to the right vs left with you? Can you ever talk about something without bringing that bs to the boards? My guess is that he didn't really read the thread, just let his biases get away from him, otherwise he would have seen at least a couple of more, i.e. me and Heretic. Firm Yea, it seems to be a standard responce lately.

thishereboi -> RE: Legalize IT (10/31/2010 4:35:05 AM)
quote: Ron, if you had HURT someone based on being drunk, they would sue you, the bar, and the bartender -- they don't sue the govenment because over the past 70 years people either have tried and failed or there isn't supporting case law for them to waste their time. The way I have always understood it, they can only sue the bar if they can prove that the person they served was obviously drunk at the time. Bartenders are supposed to cut people off when they have had enough for the night. With pot, all they would have to do, is slap a warning on it, like they do now with cigarettes.

JstAnotherSub -> RE: Legalize IT (10/31/2010 4:45:01 AM)
Legalize IT. Too many good folks are criminals because they enjoy a toke or 2......yet being a drunken idiot is legal.....stupidity.

TheHeretic -> RE: Legalize IT (10/31/2010 7:27:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Charles6682 Fair enough.This is a non-partisan issue.This isn't a party vote decision.This is a simple commonsense right that I feel is long overdue.This isn't about republican's,democrat's,independent,conservative,liberal,moderate or whatever else.This is about doing the right thing. No. Since you raised it, Charles, I think you owe it to us conservatives to come right out and admit that a lot of the nanny-state liberals are all in favor of keeping it illegal, because, they know what is best for the rest of us.

angelikaJ -> RE: Legalize IT (10/31/2010 7:59:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Sweetheart, how old are you? Vodka has virtually no smell, which is why so many teens drink it. The bubblegum didnt disguise a thing except whatever you may have mixed the vodka with. That is not true. I can almost always smell it in a mixed drink, if I can't it is one of those mixed drinks that has so much other stuff in it, it wouldn't have mattered what form of alcohol was in it. And if someone has had more than a couple of drinks, I can smell vodka on their breath. Alcoholics famously pick vodka for the same reason: they think it can't be detected. Compared to wine, rum, whiskey, gin, brandy or other liquors and alcoholic beverages it has a lighter scent, but "virtually no smell": that is myth.

Elisabella -> RE: Legalize IT (10/31/2010 8:26:48 AM)
quote: As far as DUI's, they have yet to come out with a field test for marijuana use as they have for alcohol. They should focus on whether someone's impaired rather than whether they're under the influence of a specific substance...afaik people can be arrested for DWI if they're heavily impaired by legal prescription drugs like valium or percocet.

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