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GreedyTop -> RE: Is courtesy no longer a requirement for civilized people (11/2/2010 9:11:48 AM)

*adores teh Aqua girl*




Maitreandslave -> RE: Is courtesy no longer a requirement for civilized people (11/2/2010 9:19:47 AM)

You know, we often look back on things with selective memory. I am most likely the oldest person on this thread and I do remember that some people were more polite in some things, but I also remember watching the bikers (no club names here) and drug dealers and people doing one another wrong, the music of the times reflected how playing house made mommy cry and PTA meetings sometimes were disrupted by the mini skirt wearing single broad everyone was making eyes at. We had murderer's we had cut throats, we had guys that hurt women, we had the leave it to beavers.

I am not looking back on things with a selective memory.  I lived all over the US when I was a child and remember how things were around me.  I may have assumed that other areas were much the same.  Yes I know there was and always will be "unsavory" people and areas throughout the whole world.  So I was going off my experiences and the multitude of people I was around.  We had manners because our parents taught them to us, not saying parents don't now.  We did not carry guns or knives as there was no need.  We got into fights all the time they were just not deadly fights.  As many have said on here they can only attest to themselves and this is very true to include me. 

In my school, they did bring guns... as well as knives and hell if you looked at somebody wrong, you might die. Does anyone remember the movie 'To Sir with Love?' Come on... we had all this shit that is happening now, then. Maybe not with the same numbers, but it was there. What the hell do you think today evolved from? It may be worse now, but it all started somewhere. Like the beginning of mankind. The heart of man can be a very wicked and selfish thing.

Yes I know it evolved from what they learned.  If you live in a community where you don't need to carry guns and knives etc then you would not see all this.  I truly believe that it is much worse as with my job I see the worst of the worst.  I totally agree that the heart of mankind can be very wicked.

So rather than be upset... and you are... about somebody with no manners, look for those that have some. Why waste one breath trying to change something that has been going on since the beginning of time? Time/ life is too short to be wasting it trying to change things you cannot and expecting a Polly Anna lifestyle. Believe me, I had to grow into this myself. I knew I couldn't change the world, but I tried to make it a better place for some. Although there were some even back then, that I simply chalked up because it wasn't worth my time and efforts. This is one of those times.

I am not upset as my girl sits here with me she does not understand how so many people think I am angry because I am not.  I am laughing at the thought I am.  I do look for those that have manners.  I know I can not change the world and do not expect to.  As I said this was just a question, to which I have found the answer I sought.  I guess my experiences as with anyone's is limited to mine and should apparently not include those others in the lifestyle.  Both Dom/Master/Domme/Mistress sub/slave are the ones that have to make that conscious decision to be nice and courteous or not.  It is a self awareness decision I guess.  Though I can not say it enough I am not mad or upset or anything. 

We are never going to be polite all the time. No one can live up to that. We can try, but when others fail to, don't let it skin your nose... just keep on movin down the line. Relax, enjoy life and be happy. [:)] Remember the Forrest Gump way of life. Stupid is as stupid does and life is like a box of chocolates. You let into your life what you want and if you want to be happy, you will be, no matter what. You let the little things get to you... and good luck with that happy thing.

I know that you can not expect people to be polite all the time.  I do not let it skin my nose as you say.  I work in a prison and some of the rudest people I have ever met are there, though that is understandable because of where it is and everything.  Also some of the nicest people are in there as well.  So I see a large cut from society with the people I have had to deal with.  Believe me I am relaxing and enjoying life.  As my girl can attest I am so very happy with my life and where I am right now.  We are just trying to expand out level of lifestyle I guess you could say.  It does not have to happen and if it does it does if not then it doesn't.  I am however very happy in my life

Take it from someone that has walked a lifetime on ice too thin... life is what you make of it and when you fall in, hope there is just one person that loves your ass enough to drag it out of the icy waters. You have that and you are a lucky person.

I do have that and feel I am the luckiest man, Master, and person in the world.  I just wish to give her a part of herself (the bi side) that I personally cannot give her. 





sexyred1 -> RE: Is courtesy no longer a requirement for civilized people (11/2/2010 9:28:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

You know... there is nothing is a manners book that requires someone to continually do something that has the repeated result of garnering insults and abuse. If you know where Miss Manners, Emily Post, etc has stated that people must endure abuse over and over again simply because 1 out of 100 people are polite I'm very interested in your source. Please link or cite book and page number.


I agree with you Aqua and Spirited Radiance posted some exact excerpts from how a polite "not interested" turns someone into a raving lunatic who cannot handle rejection from a stranger.

I think it is amusing that some people take the "blame the victim" stance where they say that those who have been enduring rude replies to their polite no's should look within themselves to find out what is wrong.

Actually, nothing is wrong with having a preference and not being interested. Nothing is wrong with saying so politely. But something is most definitely wrong with the vituperative responses a woman gets when she rejects someone online.

Mind you, it never happens in real life, you say not interested in person, someone walks away.

And that is why no response is far better because unless you possess clairvoyance, you will not be able to discern who will turn on you when you politely say no and who will graciously stop writing.




LadyPact -> RE: Is courtesy no longer a requirement for civilized people (11/2/2010 9:48:35 AM)

A "unicorn" is defined as a bisexual woman who is willing to join an established couple.  They are extremely rare, therefore the name.  Get used to the idea that you looking for a poly, bisexual, female submissive now has you in competition with everybody else (a large number) that wants the very same thing.

Also, get used to the idea that this is the internet.  Not everybody is going to have the same standards for interactions that you seem to have.  If you really want to see what happens, let your girl start up an account that doesn't say "couple" on it and watch what she receives in her email.  Feel free to demand of her that she must be "polite" to everyone and reply nicely to everything that is sent to her.  When you've done that, come back and tell Me how long you've let that last.  See just how long you'll allow people to be outright cruel to her before you pull the plug.  There is no way that I would tolerate any female that belonged to Me to put up with it.




Wolf2Bear -> RE: Is courtesy no longer a requirement for civilized people (11/2/2010 10:16:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

"...We are never going to be polite all the time. No one can live up to that. We can try, but when others fail to, don't let it skin your nose... just keep on movin down the line. Relax, enjoy life and be happy.



I believe this sums it up exactly. Not everyone is able to or has the ability to be perfectly courteous to everyone else as it is impossible. We all determine for ourselves what is important and what isn't when we interact with others and we each have our own guidelines to which we measure others against that influence how we treat them. This is human nature. The amount of courtesy we afford another is influenced by how well we know them, if we think or assume they are a decent type or a complete piece of crap or any other descriptive you care to use for a measuring stick.




AquaticSub -> RE: Is courtesy no longer a requirement for civilized people (11/2/2010 10:43:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

quote:

ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

You know... there is nothing is a manners book that requires someone to continually do something that has the repeated result of garnering insults and abuse. If you know where Miss Manners, Emily Post, etc has stated that people must endure abuse over and over again simply because 1 out of 100 people are polite I'm very interested in your source. Please link or cite book and page number.


I agree with you Aqua and Spirited Radiance posted some exact excerpts from how a polite "not interested" turns someone into a raving lunatic who cannot handle rejection from a stranger.

I think it is amusing that some people take the "blame the victim" stance where they say that those who have been enduring rude replies to their polite no's should look within themselves to find out what is wrong.

Actually, nothing is wrong with having a preference and not being interested. Nothing is wrong with saying so politely. But something is most definitely wrong with the vituperative responses a woman gets when she rejects someone online.

Mind you, it never happens in real life, you say not interested in person, someone walks away.


And that is why no response is far better because unless you possess clairvoyance, you will not be able to discern who will turn on you when you politely say no and who will graciously stop writing.


There I have to disagree. I've seen, too often, a case:

Man 1: Hey wanna go out?
Woman: Sorry but no thank you.
Man 2: Hey wanna go out?
Woman: I'd love to!
Man 1: God she is such a slut!!!

I have actually been called, to my face, a slut after telling a man that I wouldn't sleep with him. He was upset that - at that time - I had slept with a grand total of three people and he wasn't one of them.

Compared to that, a no response online seems positively high tea! [:'(]




LadyNTrainer -> RE: Is courtesy no longer a requirement for civilized people (11/3/2010 11:12:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: samboct
I think we need to distinguish between what happens on this site and in real life.


Sure, because the kind of behavior that women object to in their inboxes would get a guy instantly thrown out of any public place.  There was a thread on this subject here: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3457875  The bottom line is that they can get away with it in email, so you will very frequently see extremely crude or hostile behaviors in female inboxes on adult sites. You don't see this in public places, because some of it would flat out get the guy arrested. 

And a wonderful post on Fetlife by White_Raven23 which I'll share because it made me sporfle and is all too applicable:

Can you just imagine how these communications would sound if they were delivered in person? Picture it...you are sitting in a cafe sipping the hot beverage of your choice, reading...feeling at peace with the world...when suddenly a man not wearing enough clothing leaps from behind a ficus and screams:

"LOVE YOUR FHOTO
YOU HAVE MESENGER OR SKYPE.?
ADD MY MESENGER- [goobers name]@GMAIL.COM
OR MY SKYPE- [goobers name]
WHAT IS YOUR
HAVE A NICE DAY"

Before running off...perhaps to go scream something similar at the sandwich shoppe across the way, where another lady sits, unaware at the moment her peace is about to be shattered by abrupt undress and caveman-speak.

O.o




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