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KenDckey -> Violent Video Games -SCOTUS (11/2/2010 7:35:51 AM)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101102/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_violent_video_games;_ylt=AgKiOlbH4rSx.TNnWUzdxiJMEP0E;_ylu=X3oDMTNhc2I0aDhkBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAxMTAyL3VzX3N1cHJlbWVfY291cnRfdmlvbGVudF92aWRlb19nYW1lcwRwb3MDMQRzZWMDeW5fcGFnaW5hdGVfc3VtbWFyeV9saXN0BHNsawNjb3VydGhlYXJzYXI-

Supreme court to review CA law that bans retail sales of violent video games to kids.   Seems strange for what I consider an extremely liberal state to ban games that I would think conservatives wwould do




KenDckey -> RE: Violent Video Games -SCOTUS (11/2/2010 12:46:40 PM)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101102/pl_afp/lifestyleusitjusticechildrenvideogamesinternet




hertz -> RE: Violent Video Games -SCOTUS (11/2/2010 3:14:15 PM)

It intrigues me that the games makers have pleaded that it is their first amendment right, whilst the courts are looking at potential harm issues.

Personally, I think part of the reason the US is such a fucked up place is because as a nation it doesn't care enough about its citizens to protect them from companies who don't care who gets hurt as long as they make a buck or two.




joether -> RE: Violent Video Games -SCOTUS (11/2/2010 4:46:11 PM)

I've played ALOT of video games since the 80's. When I hear the term 'violent video game' uttered by the clueless, I shake my head. Most could not define what 'violent video game' is and isn't. That is in the eye of the beholder. If I had to pick out the most violent video game I've ever played, it would have been Soldier of Fortune 2. Granted I've seen more gore in the movies, on cable, and even discribed in books.

Video games, are the latest 'boogyman', by which people used to scapegoat, why their kids aren't growing up like their parents (perfect in every way). Even though every video game published in the USA, or sold in the USA (if import), carries the ESRB logo and rating. For instances, my most recently aquired game: Fallout: New Vegas, is rated 'M'. Should anyone under 17 play the game? Not really. Should there be a law preventing? Not really.

Isn't it the job of parents to monitor what their children do? Not the state?

I've observed something truely ironic when it comes to video games. Democrats are most for regulation on this, but champion the 1st Amendment. Republicans are against it, but, their social 'programming' would dictate we should ban anything that might hurt or put children at risk. Video games, ARE, art, and as such, protected under the 1st Amendment. Dont like the game, dont play it. Its really that simple.

The violent video games, are not at all what you think. Is Rainbow Six: Vegas 2, violent? Depends on who you ask. But then, how different is it from HALO 3, in which you kill aliens? Or in Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening, in which the player kills just about everything found in a typical fantasy world (dragons, undead, trolls, even Darkspawn).

What do these games have in common? A challenge that pits the player's wits and reaction against puzzles and battles. Not one person, living, is ever killed. Players learn not how to fire a weapon, nor how to properly use a firearm. Nor do they learn squad tactics. Most players would try 'bunny hopping' in Airsoft or Paintball, quickly find the error in their ways. Most PUGs (Pick Up Groups), rarily know enough to work together as a team. Typically a PUG in Battlefield: Bad Company 2 or its rivals Team Fortress 2, and Call of Duty (any of the series), is full of individuals and almost no teamwork. Even though, that's how the games are set up. Tom Clancy's games (Like Vegas 2 above), are team games in which players really SHOULD work at a team to win.

Most of the large companies (Best Buy, Wal-Mart, Target, etc) already enforce the ESRB's rating. They try to keep the 'Rated: M' out of the hands of minors, but some do slip through the cracks. Parents not even aware of the ESRB (even though its on the front of every title, in the lower left hand corner), purchase the games to shut the little one up. Older siblings purchase the game, and their younger brother/sister play the game.

But if your going to put restrictions on one form of media, then you'll have to do it with all others. And that is the central issue before the US Supreme Court. If violence can be restricted in games, it can be restricted in books (like the Holy Bible), movies (Braveheart/Saving Private Ryan), or publications (Newsweek).





AquaticSub -> RE: Violent Video Games -SCOTUS (11/2/2010 4:55:21 PM)

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Personally, I think part of the reason the US is such a fucked up place is because as a nation it doesn't care enough about its citizens to protect them from companies who don't care who gets hurt as long as they make a buck or two.



In cartoons, characters blow each other up, turn each other into instruments, run each other through meat grinders, etc and then are showing quite alive and well. At least in most video games, when you shoot someone you see that they die.

And honestly, I don't get why people think entertainment at death is anything new. Aztecs had human scarifice as part of their rituals and celebrations. Romans pited men against each to the death. People all over the world till even the 1800s gathered in glee to watch hangings. They were mass community events. People picniced at them. Kids used to use severed heads as soccer balls after excutions.

Frankly, I think it's a step in the right direction that we prefer our blood and guts to be fake now.

Edited to add: Oh yeah I forgot - people used to cut ears of convicted murders/treasoners or just enemies and keep them as mementos of the excution. Kinda puts things into perspective for me. I'd rather have a collection of video games than body parts.




takemeforyourown -> RE: Violent Video Games -SCOTUS (11/2/2010 4:59:46 PM)

My husband and his fellow Army buddies play violent video games and, much to my chagrin, they let my son play with them. So far he hasn't killed anyone in real life and he only wants to be the 'good guy'. I think it depends on the personalities of the kids who are playing.




AquaticSub -> RE: Violent Video Games -SCOTUS (11/2/2010 5:06:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: takemeforyourown

My husband and his fellow Army buddies play violent video games and, much to my chagrin, they let my son play with them. So far he hasn't killed anyone in real life and he only wants to be the 'good guy'. I think it depends on the personalities of the kids who are playing.


Makes sense. Video games are - IMHO - a more advanced game of 'cops and robbers'. You have your good guys and your bad guys. Sometimes you play as a good guy, sometimes you play as a bad guy. But most Moms who see their kids running around playing 'cops and robbers' don't freak out. Even though their kids are imagining killing each other and then they magically come back to life when it's time for cookies.




Real0ne -> RE: Violent Video Games -SCOTUS (11/2/2010 5:35:20 PM)



welcome to the nanny police state?

I think they ought to ban white toilet paper and enforce wiping your ass with your left hand only!






nephandi -> RE: Violent Video Games -SCOTUS (11/2/2010 7:06:49 PM)

Greetings

quote:

Personally, I think part of the reason the US is such a fucked up place is because as a nation it doesn't care enough about its citizens to protect them from companies who don't care who gets hurt as long as they make a buck or two.


I am completely against it being the state's job to protect citizens from themselves. People have to take responsibility for their own lives and should get to choose their own form of entertainment.

I wish you well.






nephandi -> RE: Violent Video Games -SCOTUS (11/2/2010 7:17:54 PM)

Greetings

I have played videogames most of my life, violent and non violent ones. Right now video games are the great scare, beware, if  your child shoot someone in a pixel story they will grow up and murder everyone. Seriously this is silly Are there games out there that are definitely not suited for children, yes there are, but a law banning their sale to minors is just plain stupidity. It should be the parents, not the state that determines what entertainment is appropriate for a child at what age.

Video games are great for telling stories, they are great for training hand eye coordination and often learning other skills as well, like resource management and concentration, and in reality video games are works of art. It is time society got their head out of the dark ages and realized that something is not dangerous just because it is new, before video games it roleplaying games, comics, movies, rock music and so on which was to blame for every legal incident that involved a minor. Video games do not make kids bad any more than listening to Elvis do. It makes me wonder what society will point the collective finger at and blame for very ill 50 years from now, or a 100 years from now.

I wish you well.




TheRaptorJesus -> RE: Violent Video Games -SCOTUS (11/2/2010 7:39:58 PM)

Violence can be inspired just as much by movies, TV, or BDSM porn as it can from video games.

Censorship is idiotic.




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