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Stimulus - 11/3/2010 8:31:57 PM   
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Stimulus will help US economy - Bernanke

Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke says the move launched by the US central bank to pump hundreds of billions of dollars into the financial system should help an economy that is struggling without igniting inflation.

Bernanke, in an opinion piece appearing in Thursday's Washington Post, said the Fed took these extraordinary steps because it has 'a particular obligation to help promote increased employment and sustain price stability.'


To the tune of 600 Billion

The comments were published hours after the Fed's policymaking Federal Open Market Committee agreed to pour an additional $US600 billion ($A598 billion) into the US economy, through the purchase of new Treasury debt at a rate of around $US75 billion a month.


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RE: Stimulus - 11/3/2010 8:33:38 PM   
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I hate these bastards.

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RE: Stimulus - 11/3/2010 8:50:51 PM   
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So they will send everyone a $300 check?

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RE: Stimulus - 11/3/2010 8:59:58 PM   
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Yeah, inject 600 billion ino an already inflated money supply and its not going to cause inflation. And people think the Laffer curve is bullshit.

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RE: Stimulus - 11/3/2010 9:50:03 PM   
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"without igniting inflation"
 
"particular obligation to help promote increased employment and sustain price stability"

Well, now don't they just put it out there for the sheeple. Yes they have our best interests at heart. You dumkopfs, this is part of the plan to make the US into a third world economy, how many on this board see it for what it is ? Plain and simple.

When people keep walking around in a fog, being fucking stoopid enough to think that all the rich people in the world would just love to give us all their money, there is really no hope. Does anyone have a fucking clue here ? I have tried to outline how these things work, but it seems I'll go to my grave as the only one who can see this.

You were born into it, that is why you can't see it. There are too many trees in the way for you all to see the forest. When and if anyone undrstands, speak up. There are a scant few who can really see the economy and the way business is done for what it is.

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RE: Stimulus - 11/3/2010 9:54:51 PM   
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Thats just it, T, im not buying it. Maybe its because im not feeling too well atm, but something about all this is bugging the hell out of me. You cant spend money you dont have. You cant promise one group tax cuts then promise another group more spending.

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RE: Stimulus - 11/3/2010 10:32:59 PM   
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taz, I belong in bed.

I know exactly how the economy works on the most macro of scales. It runs at one cycle approximately every 400 years, for the small takes. Big takes are more like a thousand years. The European cycle was on the upswing about a century ago, and the US was duped into it, IIRC during the Wilson administration. Particulars really don't matter that much. Whichever President appointed Roger B. Taney. The fiat currency economy had aleady been set up, but the actions of that administration sealed the deal. Even the President acknowledged it, in hindsight of course. They all do, they are not culpable for their actions, we are.

Roger B. Taney was the fifth of an appointed official, each directed to transfer [control] the US currency into international hands. Four people had refused to do it, as they saw it as treason, Taney was then appointed, did the deed, and then was rewarded with a seat on a US supreme court. He rendered the Dread Scott decision in case it has slipped your mind.

Our government has been full of traitors and theives since before the Civil War, of that there is no question.

A few years ago a Chinese official was executed. He was the head of their equivalent of our FDA. He allowed an additive or something and it caused some Chinese people to die. He was put to death. Our officials do exactly what he did every fucking day and instead of a bullet in the head, we give them a raise. We also allow them to have a profit motive to give the sheeple poison and charge big bucks for it. They make more money that way. Now they are so powerful that you can't legally buy raw milk, without their "processing" which includes a virus that extends it's shelf life, supposedly.The big boys in the food industry, shelf life vs human life, which do you think wins ?

People who know, those with a half a brain or more realize : we eat that poisonous aspartame and HFCS because our government does not like Castro, or his family apparently. You can get foods etc. without the poison, just look for the pareve.

T

ETA, Wilson came after the civil war, but that changes nothing.

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RE: Stimulus - 11/3/2010 11:06:05 PM   
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quote:

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Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke says the move launched by the US central bank to pump hundreds of billions of dollars into the financial system should help an economy that is struggling without igniting inflation.









They just want to add a little gas to prevent a fire!  the double-speak is unreal!

Time to file your complaints people!




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RE: Stimulus - 11/3/2010 11:20:39 PM   
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As I understand the move, the most important  question here is what the banks will do with the money?  Instead of just guessing, the smart government would lend it with preconditions. 

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RE: Stimulus - 11/4/2010 7:04:33 AM   
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I don't know what to fear more, the Fed, or clueless voters demanding 'things' and not understanding the consequences of their demands.

You all do realize that an unregulated Wall St sold somewhere in the realm of $400 trillion worth of interest rate derivatives? And close to 80% of the Fortune 500 companies bought them. After all, what company wouldn't want to get paid by this so-called 'insurance' to make up the difference in increased borrowing costs when interest rates go up, right? Too bad this whole unregulated 'insurance' thing that Wall St invented turned out to be a ponzi scheme. As it was unregulated, there was no requirement to have the cash reserves on hand in order to pay when the need to pay all those 'claims' was called upon (and at $400 trillion, thats roughly 6 to 8 times the total wealth of the world anyway, this could not have been done under any regulated insurance program).  And in any system where you end up paying 'insurance' claims strictly out of revenue from recent sales of more of this 'insurance', well that's the classic definition of a ponzi scheme. And that's what Wall St was running. And unfortunately for the US taxpayer, the US Treasury now owns the kingpin company that sold the lion's share of this ponzi scheme 'insurance' (the others imploded by themselves and don't exist anymore, they went *poof* one day).

$400 trillion is slightly more than half of the $700 trillion of all derivatives out there.  In contrast, the derivatives in the housing sector, investors who wanted this ponzi 'insurance' to pay them when poor people defaulted on mortgages and turned their financial securities based on those mortgages into dogshit, amounted to only $60 trillion of that 700 total. It was only 9%, compared to 60% for interest rate derivatives.

And your $700 billion bailout, its only a drop in the bucket. Laughable.

So how do we raise interest rates to fight inflation when the economy recovers and not trigger all of this bogus 'insurance' from becoming payable? Does the taxpayer really have $400 trillion lying around in a warchest somewhere? Does anybody (outside the Fed) know just how much of these bogus interest rate 'insurance policies' were bought up for pennies on the dollar as "toxic assets" by either the Fed itself (quietly, using their money) or the Treasury (publicly, using your money)?

Obama (and any future administration) has but 3 choices,

A) NEVER recover the economy on Main St to keep inflation out of the system. This approach 'sacrifices' the 18% unemployed or underemployed. Funding soup kitchens with China's money becomes the safe course.

B) Recover the economy on Main St and get ready to pay when those remaining 'insurance' policies are triggered when you use interest rate increases to keep inflation in check.

C) Recover the economy on Main St and let uncontrolled hyperinflation run rampant because you cannot use your traditional inflation-fighting tools, devaluing the buying power of everyone,  including those who are lucky enough to still be employed or still be living in their house.

So far, Obama has been running with Plan A.

Throngs of UNINFORMED voters, people looking out for themselves and nobody else, went to the polls last Tuesday and essentially said Plan A is unacceptable to them. Apparently, they don't like soup all that much. ..... So.....A few days later, 'Helicopter Ben" pulls Stimulus II from his pocket. Hang onto your seats, 'cause you are going for a ride. YOU wanted it.


Your enemy is NOT your spendaholic government and its laughable $15 trillion debt.  Your enemy is Wall St.  And don't forget that you, the uninformed voter, during your love affair with deregulation in the previous decade, enabled Wall St to do this. YOU voted in the people who took the leash off.

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RE: Stimulus - 11/4/2010 7:08:52 AM   
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quote:

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As I understand the move, the most important  question here is what the banks will do with the money?  Instead of just guessing, the smart government would lend it with preconditions. 


I see. So the companies that are prudent are not borrowing because of uncertainty over this Administration, but youre going to force banks to lend out the money. That means the lending it does is to less prudent companies. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU THINK WE GOT IN THIS MESS?


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RE: Stimulus - 11/4/2010 7:12:27 AM   
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On this willbe... and its a circle that date kind of day... i have to agree.

From the look of things, the Fed is giving away money.

If im reading this article wrong, someone please explain it to me because, as it stands, this is a load of crap.

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RE: Stimulus - 11/4/2010 7:36:47 AM   
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I see. So the companies that are prudent are not borrowing because of uncertainty over this Administration, but youre going to force banks to lend out the money. That means the lending it does is to less prudent companies. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU THINK WE GOT IN THIS MESS?





We didn't get into this mess because of 'forced lending'.

We got into this mess because Wall St invented a ponzi 'insurance' scheme, which was supposed to insure those investors operating in high-risk areas with insurance proceeds. The insurance was triggered when the financial securities containing risky mortgages turn into dogshit. 

When you are a for-profit business with access to this newly-invented 'insurance', who isn't going to crowd ahead of Fannie & Freddie in line for the "opportunity" to lend to unqualified people. You go there because of the profit motive, because you now have a brand new, previously untapped market of borrowers to make money from, and if many of those deadbeats do default, then your 'insurance' will make good on the deal.  Except this so-called 'insurance' invented by Wall St turned out to be a bogus scam.

Banks put credit cards into the hands of deadbeats for the same reason. That portion of the 'deadbeat pool' that actually makes their credit card payments is "fresh, previously-untapped revenue" to any bank. And if the rest of the deadbeats that were furnished with credit cards don't pay their bills, not to worry, we have this 'insurance' that will make good.  Except it won't, because it was underwritten by the same ponzi insurance scheme.

When the "sub prime" credit card debacle blows up and all of this bogus 'insurance' is triggered, costing the taxpayer an amount equal to the housing debacle, will you be claiming that it was the result of "forced lending' too? Will you then be claiming that Fannie & Freddie were credit card fairies, pushing 'forced lending' by dispensing credit cards upon the poor people, too?

Profit motive intentionally penetrating high risk areas while 'insured' by bogus insurance drove this, not 'forced lending'.





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RE: Stimulus - 11/4/2010 9:21:19 AM   
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There is only one explanation for this move when interest rates are already effectively at zero. Deflation has become a much greater threat than the Fed is willing to admit, and they need to encourage inflation now, hoping they can rein it in later.

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RE: Stimulus - 11/4/2010 9:50:21 AM   
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I think we should all be sent a $1000 check.    Most of us would spend  it with in a week.

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RE: Stimulus - 11/4/2010 9:54:12 AM   
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Most people would spend it on bills.

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RE: Stimulus - 11/4/2010 10:12:34 AM   
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The govt. doesn't have "hundreds of billions."
This is just another excercise to keep wealthy people wealthy.
What do they do in a year from now or two years from now, more "hundreds of billions?"

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RE: Stimulus - 11/4/2010 10:15:47 AM   
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Most people would spend it on bills.


True-- figure that the money would fully hit the economy with in 48 hours.

I do not like the stimulous that does not cut a check to the peons.

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RE: Stimulus - 11/4/2010 10:17:51 AM   
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Paying bills is not the kind of stimulus the economy needs. This economy needs jobs.

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RE: Stimulus - 11/4/2010 10:19:02 AM   
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quote:

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The govt. doesn't have "hundreds of billions."
This is just another excercise to keep wealthy people wealthy.
What do they do in a year from now or two years from now, more "hundreds of billions?"


On this i agree with you. Does the Reserve need congressional approval for this?

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