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Desea -> High protocol dinner (4/27/2006 8:19:12 AM)

I have been tasked to give a high protocol dinner for Master and some friends. I am looking for resources on high protocol dinners. What is expected of me and how should I act, dress present dinner etc... Can anyone give me a clue?  I would love to hear any experiences or suggestion anyone has on this subject.   desea kajira




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: High protocol dinner (4/27/2006 8:25:19 AM)

You're really going to have to ask your master.  Does he mean high protocol as in kink?  Or does he mean particular service settings (there are many classic ones)?  How will he expect service to be handled?  Will servants be allowed to eat with guests or not?  What is the dress code?  How many guests?  Courses?

There's a difference between "fine dining" and "high kink protocol" and while the two can easily be meshed, it needs to be clarified exactly what the expectations will be.







1969slave -> RE: High protocol dinner (4/27/2006 8:33:53 AM)

first find out if its vanilla or not. please feel free to email me i've done a lot both ways.  m




PhoenixLM -> RE: High protocol dinner (4/27/2006 8:51:09 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Desea

I have been tasked to give a high protocol dinner for Master and some friends. I am looking for resources on high protocol dinners. What is expected of me and how should I act, dress present dinner etc... Can anyone give me a clue?  I would love to hear any experiences or suggestion anyone has on this subject.   desea kajira


I take it from your signature your  gorean, please correct me if I am wrong. That being the case my assumption would be you are looking at a high protocol gorean dinner. If I remember my gorean protocols slaves would serve but not eat with the free. Uless a free fed the slave from thier plate. As I recall slaves would entertain as well durring the course of the meal either by dancing or by playing an instrument. Which would necessate your Master informing the guest what the expectations were.

If you are looking for basic high protocol meal Saraband has a wonderful example located here http://members.aol.com/SRABANDE/MastersDinner.html You could take parts from it & apply it to your needs as it suits. Again forewarn your guest.

If you are going with a multi course white linens meal you may wish to check with you local community college and take a course in table service (I forget the exact name of course) We often have semi formal meals here, they are very nice.

A caution here, if you are inviting people to a meal that live off fast food they may become self conctious or embarassed when faced with multiple utensils, and cloth napkins. At any rate gauge the formality to the guest level of knowledge. Again letting guest know aghead of time what is expected is a big help.





mixielicous -> RE: High protocol dinner (4/27/2006 9:07:53 AM)

if youre looking for basic ettiquite, i reccomend just googling 'european waitress serving'

i was trained by many people in europe and they are nice and strict with it [ie- serve women first, only pour a sip of wine to the alpha male to taste first, serve from the left [i think, i dont do it anymore] etc etc




Desea -> RE: High protocol dinner (4/27/2006 9:27:15 AM)

As LuckyAlbatross  put it the exact protocol will come from my Master.  It will be a "high kink protocol" dinner for one or two indiviuals to say thank you for a private demo I will be recieving on leather working. Master says he had not participated in one in years and is looking for ideas and resources. I am looking also for ideas and resources for suggestion and an Ideal of what he might expect of me. Master has mentioned things like serving on my knees, eyes always downcast, no talking, specific clothing or none. etc...     
PhoenixLM Just to let you know I am not goren and know little about it. My name is one Master gave me.  The desea (latin trans female form of desire) and kajira ( I guess from the gorean theme of  slave or daughter of the chain)  This is what I have been told any way. I love the name and the man who gave it to me.
Thank you all for the feed back so far and any more will be appreciated.

Back to the dinner it will not be to fancy of a dinner as I am not the greatest cook and have limited means while currently looking for a job. But Master was wanting to try this out and set up some training on this subject for me.

desea





MistWalker -> RE: High protocol dinner (4/27/2006 10:02:36 AM)

well while large fancy means are nice on occasion. one dose not need them to serve.  one of the strangest sensations ive had was being served  properly for a meal.with my first, we both had a local friend who was a slave in consideration to a master some distance away. and my mistress at the time was tasked on occasion with evaluating her. and while it was normaly my task to prepare the meal and assure every one had a plate,and in proper order. *laughs softly* it was difficult to sit back and be served, ... anyway, done well even the simplest of meals can be served beautifuly.. my sugestion is once you know for sure whats expected of you by your master. that you walk through it a few times, become comfortable with the motions you will go through, while you can not plan for Everything, the basics you can, be well prepared and know what you need to do before hand.. but be ready for changes, and take them with grace... above all while serving, be happy in your service, it will always show, especaly to your guests.   ohh and be sure you find out exactly what order they should be served in, i dont know if you said the guests were all Dom, or some mix , but be aware of the order of service... much of this simply will require you sit and talk with your master, find out what he wishes to see, and work off that. 

blessed be..




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: High protocol dinner (4/27/2006 10:19:10 AM)

I'll put one specific piece of advice- remember that your priority is to serve your guests, keep them happy and relaxed.  No amount of service or protocol or positioning should ever come before that or get in the way. 




CrappyDom -> RE: High protocol dinner (4/27/2006 6:37:29 PM)

First off, there is no such thing as "high protocol" it is made up fantasy, fun but fantasy none the less.  So, sounds like your master has no idea of what it consists of and wants you to find something fun and implement it.  As some here have said, take cues from formal vanilla food service.

A word of advice from someone who has created and thrown many food centric S&M events as well as played with creating various sorts of moods such as "high protocol" fantasy events. 

  • Make sure the guests know what the rules are in advance
  • Give time to deal with the inevitable issues that will pop up, i.e., some dominants desire their own submissives to be the only one to serve them, or some have them eat only after they are done, or wouldn't dream of following some bit of your carefully thought out plan
  • Keep it simple.  What I have found works best is provide the broad framework of protocol, leaving lots of room for the various ways people define their relationship
  • Get the guest's buy in for what you are doing.
  • Remember as someone said, the point is to have an enjoyable evening, don't forget that is the ultimate goal.




MsSonnetMarwood -> RE: High protocol dinner (4/27/2006 6:52:46 PM)

A few vanilla books on vanilla "high protocol" that I would recommend are "Dinner is Served", "The Art of the Table", and the CIA's "At Your Service".  Excellent books all at what is formal dining.

All are available through amazon.




Phoenixandnika -> RE: High protocol dinner (4/28/2006 5:23:56 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Desea

I have been tasked to give a high protocol dinner for Master and some friends. I am looking for resources on high protocol dinners. What is expected of me and how should I act, dress present dinner etc... Can anyone give me a clue?  I would love to hear any experiences or suggestion anyone has on this subject.   desea kajira


I would suggest sitting down with your Master and asking him what the formalities of the dinner will be. If there is anything specific as far as food or drinks go that he would like. I would go from there as far as dress and preparation.
 
What one person considers formal etiquette or high protocal another might consiter fantasy. However, in the end it is him that matters and what he wishes.
 
Once you know that it would be easier for others to offer advice if you still need it.
 
Nika{Phoenix}




CrappyDom -> RE: High protocol dinner (4/28/2006 7:28:04 AM)

This was not my idea and came from someone gifted with this sort of skill.  One could go toward emulating a very formal dinner in the European manner,

OR

Create a dinner that is suited for D/s.   Food that provides some sort of expression of the power dynamic. Serve only the dominants, they may provide whatever to the empty plates of their submissives.  Finger foods that are perfect for either being served or fed to another.  A buffet where the submissive carries the plate and gathers the food the dominant selects.  The possibilities are limited only by your creativity and the willingness of your guests to experiment.




LadyHugs -> RE: High protocol dinner (4/28/2006 10:03:02 AM)

Dear CrappyDom, Ladies and Gentlemen;

I beg to differ that “high protocol” for dinners do not exist outside of fantasy. Every government to every nation has protocol in different levels, from informal to high protocol when serving meals. State dinners are usually “high protocol.”

Protocol in short, means rules and etiquettes; so indeed there are rules from setting the table, for the candles, the center piece, the linen, the glassware, the silver, the crockery (plates/china) as well as the dressing of the host/hostess and the guests. Respond if you please in French (RSVP), to where guests are to sit, napkin etiquette, meanings by the placement of silverware as to signal the plate is ready to be removed by the servant, etc.

In the Master/slave the Master/Mistress makes the choices. However, many Masters will admit how naïve they are about serving or putting on a formal dinner and leave it to slaves or submissive types to create and manage. It takes a lot of work, planning and help to pull off any formal dinner.

A lot of the choices stem from how many slaves the Master/Mistress has to work with. If you have more than four, a small formal dinner will work. However, if one slave with five guests at a formal dinner will be swamped and frustrated. When formal or high protocol dinners are done, everybody wants to put on the best of everything, from the great details to the tiniest details.

My personal advice is, for any Master/Mistress who wishes to put on a formal dinner or “high protocol” dinner is best served by practice in serving days in advance before the actual event. If you see personnel problems you can thin the guests down to a manageable level for your slave/submissive. The table can be pre-set, most web sites dealing with entertaining will help with candle etiquette, linen etiquette, table setting etiquette and dressing etiquette. If you don’t have enough slaves to serve, I highly recommend making foods that can be prepared in advance done the day before, and leave what must be done last on the day of the dinner. Usually, there is a twenty minute gap between courses, to which the slave/submissive is busy at a mad pace to prepare the next course. The desert phase is when the slave can catch their breath. I also recommend a slave/submissive who is serving eat before the dinner. They will have little chance to eat once dinner starts and ends, then lingers and moves into the sitting room or gather spot after leaving the table.

If Masters/Mistresses are bringing their own slaves into the formal dinner, I highly suggest that the one hosting the formal dinner; ask those owners to loan their slaves for the day prior as to permit all the slaves to practice in serving, as to be as fluid as possible.

It is most unfair for the servants to suddenly throw them into a serving situation, without these slaves/submissive types to practice with each other and accustom to their serving styles.

As for my personal preferences, I prefer my slaves to be dressed in formal serving situations. Butler’s tuxedos and in gloves. Reason being, gloves provide a barrier between the hot plates and their hands, so this is a kindness to my servants. I also dress in formal attire for formal dinners. The focus should be on the dinner and not naked slaves, as I have had guests that were distracted by penis so close to their meal. In my personal serving preferences, I like uniform service. If one slave is naked--all slaves are naked.

One slave dressed in a dark suit, all should be in dark suits. The hostess/host sets the pace of the meal, as well as the service. So, the slave is watching my silent table codes and nobody is rushed in eating. Positioning of slaves really depends on how many slaves you have to work with. If I have one, they are at the doorway as to attend all the guests and they can slip back in to the kitchen to prepare the next course. If I have two, the second slave supports the first. Removing plates, one can carry a tray as one removes the dishes as to make room for the next course. It is also workable when serving the course the one who holds the tray as the other removes from the tray and places it on the table.

If you have excess slaves, you’re blessed. They can be in the kitchen preparing the courses while their brother/sister slaves are standing in silence watching their assigned guests and in service.

Good references would be; International Guild of Professional Butlers; Emily Post 1950s vintage preferred; Formal Tea and Formal Dinners.

Respectfully submitted,
Lady Hugs




CrappyDom -> RE: High protocol dinner (4/28/2006 10:55:43 AM)

Thank you so much for your erudite post.  I had no idea that diplomats had a uniform code of how to conduct dinners.  Must be why they never have to negotiate who sits where, who gets served when, what gets served, what country wines come from, etc.

We are lucky to have someone like yourself to educate those of who come from the provinces and don't know how to behave like our betters.





mnottertail -> RE: High protocol dinner (4/28/2006 11:06:43 AM)

I am reminded of the story of Lyndon Johnson being served chicken cordon bleu in the whitehouse at a state dinner, he takes a bite.............choking;  spits it out and stands up and shouts-- don't eat this, it's poisoned!!!!!  The white house chef is mortified, and tastes Lyndons chicken........'No, sir' he says 'this is fine'.  Lyndon grabs him by the lapels and says.........Don't you ever serve that shit in this White House again as long as I am president!

Ron




JohnWarren -> RE: High protocol dinner (4/28/2006 11:35:48 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

Thank you so much for your erudite post.  I had no idea that diplomats had a uniform code of how to conduct dinners.  Must be why they never have to negotiate who sits where, who gets served when, what gets served, what country wines come from, etc.

We are lucky to have someone like yourself to educate those of who come from the provinces and don't know how to behave like our betters.


You were wrong and the responder was right and this kind of response only makes you sound like a silly child who was caught in a fib.




CrappyDom -> RE: High protocol dinner (4/28/2006 12:00:22 PM)

John,

Your posts are generally much more intelligent and thoughtful, but this one clearly misses your usually high mark on a couple of points.

Since the OP clearly stated that it was to be a
quote:

  "high kink protocol" dinner
I was responding with that in mind.   There is no universally accepted "high kink protocal" and you of all people should know that.

The person to whom I was responding to scolded me for not knowing that diplomats have "high protocol" dinners which was not what the OP nor I were addressing.  She then skips all that and does exactly what I and others here were doing, discussing creative ways of doing this.  Of course, she doesn't see that she is doing the exact same thing she scolded me for doing.

Secondly, and more deeply wounding to me, was having someone of your stature accuse me of lying.  While I believe I have shown I was correct, even if I wasn't, my post contained no "fibbs" it would have been a mistake or an erroneous opinion but could not be interpreted as lying.




ladiespet77 -> RE: High protocol dinner (4/28/2006 12:08:22 PM)

Not only do i agree with CrappyDom...i like his style...lol




JohnWarren -> RE: High protocol dinner (4/28/2006 1:02:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

John,

Your posts are generally much more intelligent and thoughtful, but this one clearly misses your usually high mark on a couple of points.

Since the OP clearly stated that it was to be a
quote:

  "high kink protocol" dinner
I was responding with that in mind.   There is no universally accepted "high kink protocal" and you of all people should know that.

The person to whom I was responding to scolded me for not knowing that diplomats have "high protocol" dinners which was not what the OP nor I were addressing.  She then skips all that and does exactly what I and others here were doing, discussing creative ways of doing this.  Of course, she doesn't see that she is doing the exact same thing she scolded me for doing.

Secondly, and more deeply wounding to me, was having someone of your stature accuse me of lying.  While I believe I have shown I was correct, even if I wasn't, my post contained no "fibbs" it would have been a mistake or an erroneous opinion but could not be interpreted as lying.


There are no "universal" protocols anywhere in the scene beyond a general acceptance of consent.

There are many styles of "high protocol dining" and I, myself, have attended such dinners.  To say that they don't exist because the lack of general acceptance of the protocols is disingenuous. 

This is like attacking someone because they ask about the "right way to whip" or the "right way to spank."  Instead of telling them spanking or whipping doesn't exist, one best explains that there are many ways to do these things and no one way is better than another.

Your response to her comment was childish.  You could have simply said that you didn't find any kink in what she presented, ignoring that much that goes on "in scene" is borrowed from the vanilla world.

I did not say you were lying, I said "your behavior was like a child caught in a fib." Let's just amend it to "like a child caught by his mother while rubbing his penis."  It's the same sort of word play to make what has been seen seem like something else. 




KatyLied -> RE: High protocol dinner (4/28/2006 1:17:39 PM)

quote:

I have had guests that were distracted by penis so close to their meal.


Well I dare say, that would be distracting.






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