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SweetDommes -> RE: The Work Place (4/29/2006 7:48:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Proprietrix quote: ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44 As for the artical: if it was a volenteer team building event then she shouldn't have participated. It's amazing how some people want to hold others responsible for their participation in things, instead of hold themselves responsible. I absolutely agree. Sounds to me like this lady's out to get a dime from someone who doesn't owe her a penny. If you read the article where she goet 1.7mil, she has a history of suing her employers for sexual harrassment ... Honestly, I think she knew what they were going to do at the event and went so that she could sue.

MissA -> RE: The Work Place (4/29/2006 8:02:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MHOO314 And, when it is voluntary---one can refuse on the basis of a "hostile environment" Not all states have the "hostile work environment" law. Mine (Texas) doesn't and I know because I used to waitress and worked in a hostile work environment where we were told daily how we could be fired for no reason whatsoever just because our a**hole manager felt like it. There was also an abundant amount of inappropirate touching and sexual comments. I actually consulted with a lawyer about trying to bring a case against the company but unfortunately it was a case of wrong doings but not quite wrong enough to break the law and the fact that the harassment and verbal abuse would be hard to prove. ~Ms. A~

akisha -> RE: The Work Place (4/29/2006 8:06:28 AM)
There are degrees of sexual harrassment. I can understand why the lady in the article would be upset and also in regards to the OP's experience. Both are too often a reality. If a boss or supervisor uses their authority to try and get sexual favours it's wrong. Persoanlly if i didn't want to to the excercise she discribed i would have refused and had i been fired would have sued for wrongful dismissal. though that can be really hard to prove most of the time I work in the Oil and Gas industry in northern Alberta where the average office conversation would be viewed by the majority of women and men living in a more metropolitan area would consider it as sexual harrassment. I work with all men in my district, the only other females are in other offices in other cities. The guys have nude women as screen savers, forward me gross jokes and porn etc. They discuss their sexual exploits, and other things. Heck the other day the one guy said "Woman get your ass out to my truck and grab me a pack of smokes" then remembered to add please at the end. I personally told him where he could put the pack then went calmly back to work. I do not have a submissive personality at work at all. I'd get eaten alive if i did. I think the "cry" of sexual harrassment is over used. Not in the OP's experience but in the majority of cases it is. A guy tells an off colour joke in the coffee room so the secratary has a coniption. I've spent most of my life dealing with men in this type of work enviroment. Am i saying what they do is right?... no it's probably not. But really they don't do it to try and put pressure on me to do anything i don't want to do, it's just how they are. Working with all men, which i've done in a few different jobs, i've learned to accept them for what who they are. If they get to obscene or go over the line like trying to touch me or make overt personal comments i verbally slap them and let them know that they went to far. I've found the that usually the other guys are very protective anyhow and when someone did step over the line of semi decency i never had to say a thing, 10 other guys would be jumping down thier throats. Opps i see i've babbled on and on again smiles My point is people have to learn to not over react so damn fast. It makes for stiff and uncomfortable work enviroments because everyone is terrified to talk to each other. One person can ruin the easy comradery of a fun work place.

thetammyjo -> RE: The Work Place (4/29/2006 8:10:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JoeBlack "voluntary" is in the eyes of the beholder,if everyone participated,and she did not; it could easily have a detrimental effect on her job. In addition, many workplace activites are only voluntary in theory; not in fact. Obviously the particulars of a given circumstance,need be revealed prior to passing judgment. Lastly,whatever kinks a persone has in private life In the workplace voluntary events may not be as voluntary. Even if they don't officially (write it on a form, or routinely ask about it) consider such things better believe it is in the minds of folks when you come up for promotions and different hours. One thing the report does not say is how much information was given about the events before the employees "volunteered"? Did they list out spanking, baby food, pie throwing, etc before she said "I'm in"? If they did and she agreed, I'd say she has little right to sue. But in the paper today there was the story that she won on the harassment and battery charges but not on the assault charges.

thetammyjo -> RE: The Work Place (4/29/2006 8:13:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou quote: she got 1.7mill... So she got 1.7 million for getting hit on the but with a sign and eating baby food. She didn't quit, or get fired for refusing. LOL, makes sense? So, much mental distress and embarassment, she didn't mind making a national story out of it. Wow, why work? Please some company hit me with a sign. Pleeeeeaaaaasssseeee!!!!!!! Actually she did quit her job after the incident our newspapers reported.

thetammyjo -> RE: The Work Place (4/29/2006 8:22:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: akisha I've spent most of my life dealing with men in this type of work enviroment. Am i saying what they do is right?... no it's probably not. But really they don't do it to try and put pressure on me to do anything i don't want to do, it's just how they are. Working with all men, which i've done in a few different jobs, i've learned to accept them for what who they are. If they get to obscene or go over the line like trying to touch me or make overt personal comments i verbally slap them and let them know that they went to far. I've found the that usually the other guys are very protective anyhow and when someone did step over the line of semi decency i never had to say a thing, 10 other guys would be jumping down thier throats. I'm really offended by this idea that is just how men are. That is so insulting to men. It suggests that they are less than human and that they can only think and act in rude sexual or hostile fashions. My father is a man and at a union event once I remember a woman he worked with came up to my mother to tell her that my dad spoke up for her and other women when they are insulted at work by the other men -- women were the minority at the meat packing planet where he worked almost 40 years. My father is a man and he knew it wasn't appropriate. It isn't how men are. Its how some men have been raised to think they must behave that way if they are to show they are men. Maybe they have doubts about being men? Frankly I'd rather be with men who know they are men and know they don't have to dole out sexual insults, make rude comments, or flaunt sexuality (or religion or whatever) to prove it.

LaTigresse -> RE: The Work Place (4/29/2006 8:26:57 AM)
Perhaps I have an unpopular view on this subject. However, having worked in many different enviroments over the years and yes, been subject to what some would definately deem lawsuit material sexual harrassment, I feel that in many (not all) cases we all get treated in accordance to the way we allow ourselves to be treated. I have had a boss make a fairly agressive physical pass at me after he had too many rum and cokes. I just looked him in the eye and said something along the lines of "you better back your horny ass off NOW if you want to keep all your favourite parts!" He did, I continued on about my business, told him " Good try Booth" (his last name) and we were able to continue to work together quite well and maybe even better. Not to mention that I was good friends with his sig. other and informed her in a manner that did not cause she and my relationship any problems. I work with all men now, we tell off colour jokes, I allow them to have girly calendars in the pressroom, and the boss shows me some of the nasty emails he gets. Because I am not anal about being PC in this manner and show that I too am human and have an obnoxious sense of humour they seem to actually respect me more. There is definately a fine line between acceptable and not, and it most definately depends on the individual and what they are comfortable with. I just don't feel that most of the cases that end up lawsuits are truely necessary. That all being said, from what the woman that started this thread explained I do think she had a very valid case and its sad that the guy is allowed to continue on with no repercussion or apparent smear to his reputation.

Tikkiee -> RE: The Work Place (4/29/2006 8:42:07 AM)
quote: I feel that in many (not all) cases we all get treated in accordance to the way we allow ourselves to be treated. I I could not have said it better myself.

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