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ownedpolyslave -> Been a slave for a couple of years now .... (11/7/2010 7:12:09 PM)

I am going to try and word this and hopefully I make sense, lol. I have been a slave for almost 3 years now (an Owned slave I should say). In that time, Sir has gradually stopped "training" me to the point of making me feel like I am unwanted. He brings in other slaves who are masochists to spank and do things to. I am a huge masochist (with some sadistic tendencies so I do enjoy watching others receive these things as well), and whenever there is a new slave coming in I get VERY jealous and it turns to resentment. I do have great control over these two emotions and would never do anything to intentionally mess up Sir's household. How can I go to Him and make Him understand this and not feel guilty for it? I feel as a slave I should be grateful that He allows me to be here to serve Him dinner and do His laundry and so on and so forth ... but at the same time I am human, I have needs and I came into all this with expectations that those needs would be met through Him. Has He failed me or am I just not seeing the big picture. Please don't judge me for this, I really do just need help understanding ... and I beg of you to please not judge Him. If I didn't truly want to make this work I wouldn't be seeking advice .... advice not judgments. Thank You everyone. 




CeriseNin -> RE: Been a slave for a couple of years now .... (11/7/2010 7:18:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ownedpolyslave

I am going to try and word this and hopefully I make sense, lol. I have been a slave for almost 3 years now (an Owned slave I should say). In that time, Sir has gradually stopped "training" me to the point of making me feel like I am unwanted. He brings in other slaves who are masochists to spank and do things to. I am a huge masochist (with some sadistic tendencies so I do enjoy watching others receive these things as well), and whenever there is a new slave coming in I get VERY jealous and it turns to resentment. I do have great control over these two emotions and would never do anything to intentionally mess up Sir's household. How can I go to Him and make Him understand this and not feel guilty for it? I feel as a slave I should be grateful that He allows me to be here to serve Him dinner and do His laundry and so on and so forth ... but at the same time I am human, I have needs and I came into all this with expectations that those needs would be met through Him. Has He failed me or am I just not seeing the big picture. Please don't judge me for this, I really do just need help understanding ... and I beg of you to please not judge Him. If I didn't truly want to make this work I wouldn't be seeking advice .... advice not judgments. Thank You everyone. 

If you haven't said exactly that to him, you should, in my opinion. If he isn't meeting your needs, it's time for a team talk, ya know? I'd just sit down with him over dinner, wine, etc and have a heart-to-heart.




DarkSteven -> RE: Been a slave for a couple of years now .... (11/7/2010 8:02:33 PM)

You posted this as well in Ask a Master.  The mods frown upon cross posting.  I bet only one of your threads survives.  It's like the Highlander - there can only be one.




BlackTigerDragon -> RE: Been a slave for a couple of years now .... (11/8/2010 2:26:44 AM)

My advice is to not cook for him or clean or do any laundry until he starts paying you. You are clearly a maid, not a slave. And it seems you are being ripped off. How many maids do you know that work for free?




BonesFromAsh -> RE: Been a slave for a couple of years now .... (11/8/2010 3:17:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ownedpolyslave

I am going to try and word this and hopefully I make sense, lol. I have been a slave for almost 3 years now (an Owned slave I should say). In that time, Sir has gradually stopped "training" me to the point of making me feel like I am unwanted.

Maybe he feels after three years you've reached the completion of your "training". Maybe now he believes you're at the point that you should know and anticipate his wants without the constant reminder of "training". Maybe I'm grasping at straws because I'm not quite understanding your use of the word "training". Do you mean he's not meeting your masochistic wants/needs?


He brings in other slaves who are masochists to spank and do things to. I am a huge masochist (with some sadistic tendencies so I do enjoy watching others receive these things as well), and whenever there is a new slave coming in I get VERY jealous and it turns to resentment. I do have great control over these two emotions and would never do anything to intentionally mess up Sir's household. How can I go to Him and make Him understand this and not feel guilty for it?

Did you agree to this type of scenario 3 years ago? Was there any discussion during those three years that this was the direction he wanted things to go in? Are these slaves a permanent part of the household or are they there for a bit of play? Why would you feel guilty for expressing your feelings or wants? Is he open to discussion or are you expected to just 'go with the flow'? Your screen name has the word 'poly' in it...did you agree to a poly dynamic when entering into this relationship?


I feel as a slave I should be grateful that He allows me to be here to serve Him dinner and do His laundry and so on and so forth ... but at the same time I am human, I have needs and I came into all this with expectations that those needs would be met through Him. Has He failed me or am I just not seeing the big picture. Please don't judge me for this, I really do just need help understanding ... and I beg of you to please not judge Him. If I didn't truly want to make this work I wouldn't be seeking advice .... advice not judgments. Thank You everyone. 

I go back to the same questions...What did you agree to three years ago? Why would you feel guilty for expressing your feelings and wants? Is he open to discussion or are you expected to just 'go with the flow'? You've asked that we (general) not judge you or him, but you really haven't given, in my opinion, enough information for folks to give any other advice except to talk with him.





DesFIP -> RE: Been a slave for a couple of years now .... (11/8/2010 4:25:08 AM)

Because he's not really into poly which involves a family who all love each other. He wants someone there to do all the scut work for him so he has time to keep chasing new people. He gets off on all those new notches on his bedpost, not on having happy and successful relationships.

Next time don't get taken in by fancy promises, examine his character and past history.




CaringandReal -> RE: Been a slave for a couple of years now .... (11/8/2010 6:24:09 AM)

I'm a little surprised you haven't brought this to him directly before now. An intelligent piece of property has a duty to keep her owner clearly appraised of the status of all operating systems, particularly hazardous states or warning conditions, which is what this situation strikes me as. It's not critical, yet, but it's heading in that direction. I know you don't want to bitch or appear ungrateful or like a bad slave. But you are neglecting primary duties here. Maybe he hasn't explicitly stated that you need to keep him appraised if any problems crop up, but that's often a given in a strong control relationship because without that information, the owner's control becomes much less. And those dominants with a tendency to own really don't like loss of control, generally speaking.

In addition to neglecting what I see as a primary duty of all slaves (communicating information crucial to the success and happiness of the relationship to one's owner), you're also taking on way too much responsibility for the success of the relationship. While I know you don't mean to do so, it's still a form of topping from the bottom. Bottom line is: you are unhappy and needy and, at this point, withholding information. It's his job to decide what, if anything, to do about this and then your job to acquiese to his decision. But he cannot make this sort of decision without adequate information that a stressful condition exists. That's where your responsibility comes in. Consider yourself a modern car with a dashboard that conveys dozens of pieces of information to the driver. At this time, you should have at least one yellow warning light, perhaps two, blinking where his eyes can see them at this time.

Some dominants are capable of seeing that their property is in need repair just by the sounds it makes under operation. But perceptiveness is a quality that varies from person to person, and, in one person, from time to time. Perhaps he's not paying close attention and is lulled by the false cues (no complaints) you've been given him thus far? Perhaps he's under other stress--that can cause someone to not look too closely if things seem to be running smoothly. Everyone makes mistakes or has lapses in understanding, particularly when other pressures are upon them, and when such a lapse of perception occurs in one's master (I'm convinced this happens to all slaves, sooner or later) it is the slave's job to contribute the needed information. This is what seems to be happening here: he has not, for whatever reason--it really doesn't matter why in this case, I don't think--been paying close attention. Masters should be able to rely upon slaves to be good factotums and to convey to them immediately any information that might affect their control, and to determine which information is crticial in this regard.

A few words about approach. You may already know this, but I'm not just writing to you when I write something like this. Tone is very important here. It's hard, when you start to tell someone about a pent-up frustration that was caused by them, to strike the right balance so that you (a) don't sink into blaming or guilt-tripping and (b) show him the respect that one's owner deserves. The longer the situation has been going on, the more pent-up you are, the harder it is to communicate something like this in the appropriate manner. That's why talking about these things early in the process, as soon as the first bad feelings start, is important. They're a lot less "loaded" at that point. But if you have been withholding information for a while, you're going to feel more frustrated as the situation has been going on too long, and so you need to take extra care with your approach. Here are the standard things:

Talk in terms of you, your emotions, your responses, not his being the cause of them. Not "You make me feel so bad, master," but "I feel sad and needy these days. I've been thinking about it a lot, and beleive it's because I badly miss your sadistic touch."

Try not to exaggerate. As you start to talk about it, your emotions will get stronger. You'll find yourself wanting to use very strong terms, perhaps even sarcasm, to describe your distraught state. Resist. Use milder descriptions, but (and this is crucial) at the same time do not underestimate the effect this has had on you. What I'm telling you to do is emotional tightrope walking, and it's hard, but there's always spot where you know, _you just know_, that you are falling off one side of the rope: exaggerating, going too far. Watch for that spot, and even if you've already started to topple off into hyperbole, pull back. Talk about you, your feelings, and leave it to him to make the connection with himself or his actions. Anybody's who's not a self-absorbed moron will be able to do this. You'll find that you justify such exaggeration to yourself. "My feelings are strong because this has been going on for so long, and naturally I need to express them strongly." Bullshit. People often don't have control over their feelings, many feelings just arise from nowhere, without warning, but we all have control over their expression, particularly toward someone we love and worship. So don't give in to the temptation to wallow in blaming someone else for your problems. Slaves are given more opportunties than most people to emotionally overindulge (sounds nicer than "wallow" doesn't it?) in this manner, often because their owners assume an extreme amount of responsibility naturally. A slave can really go overboard with the "I'm not responisble, he is" mindframe. You're not in control of what happens to you. That's a fact of slavery. But you can still assume responsibility for the ways you express yourself, and to some degree, your thoughts. Here's an example: nobody can order you not to think of a riding crop and expect that order to be obeyed instantly (well, Ok, a few of us may have minds that can do this, but we tend to pay quite a big price for this dubious talent). But the general point is that it's hard to control the direction of someone's inner thoughts with overt orders. Even if he's used some sophisticated indirect method to get you to not think of riding crops the great majority of time, as soon as he says "Do NOT think of a riding crop!" guess what image will be in your mind?

Resist the temptation to wallow, its' a dead end. But you still have to provide accurate information, and not understate the case or say, "oh this really isn't such a big deal" to him, because that is equally misleading. In some ways this is more misleading than overexaggeration because it might lead to him taking your words at face value, assuming you mean what you say and wouldn't lie through understatement, and lapsing back into complacency due to the false assurance you've given him that nothing is badly wrong. Concern for his feelings is very good, but it's equally important to give your owner accurate feedback on the situation so that he can make good decisions. It's harder to discern when you're falling off this other side of the narrow rope, becuase it feels rightous for a slave to deny herself for the sake of her owner's feelings. One way to tell that this is happening is by how he responds. If nothing changes and he gives you no reason for why nothing has changed, you've probably been overly subtle or too quick to undermine the actual serverity of the problem. Consider this: not providing complete disclosure on the actual severity of a problem is a form of control. Restricting access to essential information is always a form of control. Do you want to be controlling him in this way?

So... walk the communications tightrope. It's what good slaves do. Don't get discouraged if it takes several talks before some understanding is reached. It's a myth that everything gets solved in one good talk. Sometimes people need time and repetition to absorb new ideas, and the idea that you are feeling sexually deprived might be a brand new one to him. It just may not have occurred to him. Providing repetition where necessary without becoming a nag is another fine tightrope one learns to walk as a slave. :)

Finally, when explaining the negative parts of your situation, try, whenever possible, to couch them in positive terms. Something like... "I am so very needy and horny these days, I really wish you would mercilessly beat the living shit out of me and then fuck me so hard I scream--I fantasize about this constantly and I really need to be put in my place!" is a nice way to put things. :)




OsideGirl -> RE: Been a slave for a couple of years now .... (11/8/2010 6:39:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CeriseNin


quote:

ORIGINAL: ownedpolyslave

I am going to try and word this and hopefully I make sense, lol. I have been a slave for almost 3 years now (an Owned slave I should say). In that time, Sir has gradually stopped "training" me to the point of making me feel like I am unwanted. He brings in other slaves who are masochists to spank and do things to. I am a huge masochist (with some sadistic tendencies so I do enjoy watching others receive these things as well), and whenever there is a new slave coming in I get VERY jealous and it turns to resentment. I do have great control over these two emotions and would never do anything to intentionally mess up Sir's household. How can I go to Him and make Him understand this and not feel guilty for it? I feel as a slave I should be grateful that He allows me to be here to serve Him dinner and do His laundry and so on and so forth ... but at the same time I am human, I have needs and I came into all this with expectations that those needs would be met through Him. Has He failed me or am I just not seeing the big picture. Please don't judge me for this, I really do just need help understanding ... and I beg of you to please not judge Him. If I didn't truly want to make this work I wouldn't be seeking advice .... advice not judgments. Thank You everyone. 

If you haven't said exactly that to him, you should, in my opinion. If he isn't meeting your needs, it's time for a team talk, ya know? I'd just sit down with him over dinner, wine, etc and have a heart-to-heart.
This hit the nail on the head.




Elisabella -> RE: Been a slave for a couple of years now .... (11/8/2010 7:33:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ownedpolyslave
I feel as a slave I should be grateful that He allows me to be here to serve Him dinner and do His laundry and so on and so forth ...


are you serious?

uness it's conceivable that he would for some reason forbid you to do his laundry, this task isn't exactly a privilege.

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but at the same time I am human, I have needs and I came into all this with expectations that those needs would be met through Him. Has He failed me or am I just not seeing the big picture. Please don't judge me for this, I really do just need help understanding ... and I beg of you to please not judge Him. If I didn't truly want to make this work I wouldn't be seeking advice .... advice not judgments. Thank You everyone. 


I don't want to say he has 'failed' you because a relationship is about two people interacting, not one providing and the other receiving, but I will say it seems that you're stuck doing his housework while he hooks up with other people.

If you 'truly want to make this work' talk to him and explain what you're feeling, and what your needs are that you're not getting met. After that, the ball's in his court.




ResidentSadist -> RE: Been a slave for a couple of years now .... (11/8/2010 8:27:53 AM)

Type it out, explaining in brief what your needs are. Fold it in quarters and roll it up. Then wrap it in a plastic bag or a condom and stuff it in your pussy. Eventually he will find it. When he does, you can say, "oh my, how did that get there? I wondered where that was". The comic relief might help. When he asks why you stuck it there, tell him, "like your cock, I put it there because they are my most intimate desires". That may help get the point accross.




allthatjaz -> RE: Been a slave for a couple of years now .... (11/8/2010 12:27:03 PM)

Sounds like he knows which side of his bread is buttered.

I used to have two very dear friends (Master and slave). She was deliriously happy, well at least she was when the Master, slave dynamic was going on but then his eyes started to wander and before she knew it, he was bringing other slaves home. Wanting to be the good slave that she was/is, she said nothing and quietly got on with the laundry and the cooking. He, meanwhile was having a great time with all these pretty women, some of them even tried to persuade him to leave her for them, but he didn't and do you know why? because he knew which side of his bread was buttered. He had a cook, cleaner and general dogs body who would put up with him screwing around.
I eventually dropped contact when he one day told me, 'I don't really want her but not many women would put up with me'.

Your being used and if that's your thing then fine but it sounds like its not your sort of thing.
What is stopping you from talking to him? Is it fear of rejection?




NymphetamineGirl -> RE: Been a slave for a couple of years now .... (11/9/2010 12:22:42 PM)

It is possible that you truly want your intimate connection to be something you share only with him, and he only with you. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this. Many people's desires for household hierarchy and play partners vary depending on the relationship they're in. Also, it's hard for me to imagine that after he invests all this energy in others, that there's much left for you. What is he getting out of this play? Is it something he can or should get from you? Is he feeding an unhealthy need, such as ego/low self esteem? Can he, and is he willing, to do this in a way that doesn't hurt you? Is he hurting you on purpose? Sometimes Masters have devious designs. But WOW I dig the lengthy post above about the emotional tightrope. Well-spoken.




dory007 -> RE: Been a slave for a couple of years now .... (11/10/2010 7:30:39 PM)

i knew a slave who was the "alpha" of a poly gorean house. she didn't have sex with him or scene with him for 7 years. she was "just a girl" while he played around with everyone else. he finally dumped her when he found the "perfect" slave for him.

lesson: if your needs are not being met, and he is meeting his sexual/relationship needs with other people and not you, then you are being used.  you wanna be a doormat, that is fine. you want a relationship, go find someone who cares about you.




curiouscuriouser -> RE: Been a slave for a couple of years now .... (11/10/2010 7:46:28 PM)

I agree with much of the posts above. He's either tired of you or in a rut, and whichever it is, you need to drop the slave title for a couple of minutes and talk to him as one of the important women in his life. Would you be interested in a doormat? 




Focus50 -> RE: Been a slave for a couple of years now .... (11/11/2010 3:14:02 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ownedpolyslave

I am going to try and word this and hopefully I make sense, lol. I have been a slave for almost 3 years now (an Owned slave I should say). In that time, Sir has gradually stopped "training" me to the point of making me feel like I am unwanted. He brings in other slaves who are masochists to spank and do things to. I am a huge masochist (with some sadistic tendencies so I do enjoy watching others receive these things as well), and whenever there is a new slave coming in I get VERY jealous and it turns to resentment. I do have great control over these two emotions and would never do anything to intentionally mess up Sir's household. How can I go to Him and make Him understand this and not feel guilty for it? I feel as a slave I should be grateful that He allows me to be here to serve Him dinner and do His laundry and so on and so forth ... but at the same time I am human, I have needs and I came into all this with expectations that those needs would be met through Him. Has He failed me or am I just not seeing the big picture. Please don't judge me for this, I really do just need help understanding ... and I beg of you to please not judge Him. If I didn't truly want to make this work I wouldn't be seeking advice .... advice not judgments. Thank You everyone. 


It's not training that you're lacking, it's attention. You're yesterday's news, last year's video game - you've lost the thrill and novelty affect selfish adrenalin junkies crave. For what it's worth, it'll happen to all the "new meat" to him, as well.

He's the spoilt child who'll never grow up; one who likes new things because they're new but appreciates none of it. And he's living the poly fantasy et al - the one where it's ultimately a nightmare for everyone else involved. At least, those with feelings and reasonable expectations (like you)....

There's only one cure - find someone who sees and appreciates you beyond obedient, predictable meat. Or suck it up and keep taking it....

Focus.




ownedpolyslave -> RE: Been a slave for a couple of years now .... (11/11/2010 7:42:38 AM)

Thank you all for your advice ... the situation has been rectified.






hlen5 -> RE: Been a slave for a couple of years now .... (11/11/2010 7:57:30 AM)

I hope you are happy with the outcome. Best Wishes!




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