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Governmental Conspiracies

I think the US govt is capable of conspiracies

47% (10)

I think the US government conspires in the open when it does

0% (0)

NO, I do not believe the US is capable or engages in conspiracies

0% (0)

I think the governments of the world play conspiracy chess with issues

23% (5)

I think business and big money speaks louder than the govt

28% (6)

Total Votes : 21

(last vote on : 4/28/2006 1:38:56 PM)
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Governmental Conspiracies - 4/27/2006 12:22:51 PM

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This is not designed to reflect any particular event---but was raised from a few recent threads where people fought back and forth about the ability or the belief that our government or any government for that matter would conspire to the detriment of a population. Now I will tell you that I have been recently told that My feelings in this come from the result of a warped childhood somehow not being able to trust authority-- (don't go there)---but-- in My very own state, we prosecuted people who were responsible for the county school contracts---this was a huge network and resulted in the theft of millions---Nixon got caught trying to bug Watergate--if this kind of behavior exists in humanity, do we really think there is no wheeling/dealing going on behind the scenes? And that as a lie, it can grow in magnitude based on the perceived need?(Please don't flame Me, I am asking what people really think and this is a good cross world, cross country mix of people)

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RE: Governmental Conspiracies - 4/27/2006 12:58:57 PM

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Yes, I believe that governments; all and any governments; are capable of making decisions that could possibly harm millions of people. And yes, I believe that these same governments go out of their way to see to it that the general population never hear of them.
Such cloak and dagger activities are not limited to governments though. They happen in other areas as well. We just choose not to pay as close attention to those though.

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RE: Governmental Conspiracies - 4/27/2006 1:01:34 PM

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I believe that any government is capable of a conspiracy. Now, in the broad sense of the word conspiracy could mean any alteration or suppression of the truth. I believe that this errant idea stems from the government deciding what they think is best for the people. In a more specific definition it would mean an agreement to commit a crime subversively. Do I think it is possible? Yes, I do. Do I think it has happened? Yes, I do. However, I have parked my tin foil hat at the door some time ago.

With recent events the government is gaining power that it should not have. Not that it has stopped them before but now it is above board and common knowledge Eg. The Patriot Act. This government of the United States is far too invasive to my liking but there is not much that anyone can do to change it and I am afraid that it is only going to get worse, not better.

There was an episode of the TV show Quantum Leap where the main character jumped into Lee Harvey Oswald's body. The episode ended up with a statement about the JFK conspiracy theories. It basically said that it is far easier to believe in a conspiracy than to accept the fact that the most highly protected man in the country can be killed by someone that easily. I tend to echo that sentiment.

Wild theories race around and maybe there is some validity to some of them but not all. The ones that are out there that have overwhelming proof that they are not conspiracies and people's insistence that they are conspiracies is just self-deluding. In another thread I used the word anomalies and gaps of information. While they may raise questions they do not necessarily indicate a more sinister plan behind them.

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RE: Governmental Conspiracies - 4/27/2006 1:13:34 PM

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As always Gauge, very well written, do you think people tend to jump to the conspiracy conclusions due to fear? Or a general mistrust of others? Or what reason, does it come from the awful human need to point the finger out than in?

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RE: Governmental Conspiracies - 4/27/2006 7:00:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: MHOO314

As always Gauge, very well written, do you think people tend to jump to the conspiracy conclusions due to fear? Or a general mistrust of others? Or what reason, does it come from the awful human need to point the finger out than in?

I really think that it is a combination of all of the things you mentioned. While it certainly is healthier to accept things at face value. A conspiracy theory can give quite a lot of mental exercise because anything is possible... but it may overlook the simple facts and grasp at small, little crumbs to resort to conclusions that sound more pleasing to those that are sold on distrusting everything. I am not someone that trusts everything I read in a newspaper or see on the Internet or see on TV, but it is not a climate of distrust that spurns me on, it is the general fact that news can be biased and that if you give someone a camera, several rolls of film and put him where the Pope is offering Mass, I am sure the resulting photographs could be bent to tell any story you would like. It depends on angles and presentation. The Pope is an animal hater, would show a picture of the Pope kicking a dog, when, perhaps he merely slipped and kicked his leg out and the angle of the picture makes it appear as if he has kicked a dog.

I just think buying into a conspiracy theory is far easier than accepting the truth sometimes.

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RE: Governmental Conspiracies - 4/27/2006 7:45:57 PM

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Oh yeah, I think we're capable of pulling off massive conspiracies (and do) with the best of them. Of course, I believe that every other country does to some extent as well. I have several pet conspiracy theories, but you know what they say: "The sign of a good conspiracy is that you'll never be able to prove it."

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RE: Governmental Conspiracies - 4/27/2006 10:29:52 PM

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"The sign of a good conspiracy is that you'll never be able to prove it."

I tend to question things that are too perfect, almost flawless in explanation. Life just isn't that way so you will raise more questions (with me anyway) if it looks cut and dried.

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RE: Governmental Conspiracies - 4/28/2006 12:41:45 AM

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Now I will tell you that I have been recently told that My feelings in this come from the result of a warped childhood somehow not being able to trust authority

HAR! I'd love to meet the person who told you that, so I could laugh within an inch of their face. That's ridiculous, and I hope you don't fall prey to such bilious drivel.

Didn't you mention that at one time you were a police officer? Did the same person tell you that the ''suppressed'' reasoning behind you wanting to be a cop in the first place, was because you've lacked personal power all your life, or maybe you were ridiculed and picked-on during your formative high school years? Oh… And now maybe you’re a strong dominant woman, because in the past, men have basically abused and shit all over you, right? HAR!!!

You're much better than that..... stick to your guns and don't believe such utter nonsense.

By the way..... you were doing well in the other thread until you caved in. Twenty years from now.... It's a good bet that we'll find out your daughter was probably right in her original supposition. ; }

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RE: Governmental Conspiracies - 4/28/2006 2:52:18 AM

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ORIGINAL: Gauge

I believe that any government is capable of a conspiracy. Now, in the broad sense of the word conspiracy could mean any alteration or suppression of the truth. I believe that this errant idea stems from the government deciding what they think is best for the people. In a more specific definition it would mean an agreement to commit a crime subversively. Do I think it is possible? Yes, I do. Do I think it has happened? Yes, I do. However, I have parked my tin foil hat at the door some time ago.

With recent events the government is gaining power that it should not have. Not that it has stopped them before but now it is above board and common knowledge Eg. The Patriot Act. This government of the United States is far too invasive to my liking but there is not much that anyone can do to change it and I am afraid that it is only going to get worse, not better.

There was an episode of the TV show Quantum Leap where the main character jumped into Lee Harvey Oswald's body. The episode ended up with a statement about the JFK conspiracy theories. It basically said that it is far easier to believe in a conspiracy than to accept the fact that the most highly protected man in the country can be killed by someone that easily. I tend to echo that sentiment.

Wild theories race around and maybe there is some validity to some of them but not all. The ones that are out there that have overwhelming proof that they are not conspiracies and people's insistence that they are conspiracies is just self-deluding. In another thread I used the word anomalies and gaps of information. While they may raise questions they do not necessarily indicate a more sinister plan behind them.

Well articulated. In a general sense, I agree! However, while I'm definitely very very trusting of the ''goodness'' that looms inside of the average, every-day citizen, I tend to remain much more circumspect {an understatement} when it comes to the ‘’lust for power’’ that surrounds the ''power-broker'' / ''controller'' mentality.

The best and fastest way for me to sum it up, is like this :

What can one really gather when they watch someone come up through the ranks as a supposed honest politician, who's expressed motive is to serve at the will of the people and truly strive to make the country a much better , more prosperous place for their constituency, yet when it's all said and done, we've merely watched this person act in a complicit manner which is totally contrary to those stated goals and belief systems.

Most can't and won't make the stretch that the greed/power is totally capable of propelling these people down the path of such debauchery, but when I look into their eyes and examine such utter deceitfulness, the stretch is no problem at all.

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