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RE: Tea party over THAT fast? - 11/10/2010 8:39:45 AM   
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The Fed has nothing to do with fiscal policy matters.


None of that is to say the Fed is beyond criticism, certainly, but Fed action should be the one area where theoretically we criticize based on the  merit of the action unto itself and not on how well it adheres or not to partisan ideology.



The Fed is an ENABLER of fiscal policy, and is most certainly beholden to the political party that oversees them. To say they arent implementers of partisan policy is to ingore reality.

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RE: Tea party over THAT fast? - 11/10/2010 8:48:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

The Fed has nothing to do with fiscal policy matters.


None of that is to say the Fed is beyond criticism, certainly, but Fed action should be the one area where theoretically we criticize based on the  merit of the action unto itself and not on how well it adheres or not to partisan ideology.



The Fed is an ENABLER of fiscal policy, and is most certainly beholden to the political party that oversees them. To say they arent implementers of partisan policy is to ingore reality.


No kidding Willbeur?

See, I always thought that is why they were independent, so they would not be beholden to any political party.

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RE: Tea party over THAT fast? - 11/10/2010 12:15:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

The Fed is an ENABLER of fiscal policy, and is most certainly beholden to the political party that oversees them. To say they arent implementers of partisan policy is to ingore reality.


No kidding Willbeur?

See, I always thought that is why they were independent, so they would not be beholden to any political party.



Don't waste the time explaining that to people with political ideology horse blinders on, they are incapable of understanding events in any other terms.

Never mind the original charter establishing the independence of the board and the broad congressional mandate regarding unemployment and inflation that could be altered by any congress in power if they chose but seldom do, while the chairman's 14 yr. (though sometimes extended) term exceeds three presidential terms and the charter stating that neither president nor congress can interfere directly in the Fed's ongoing policy and operations, etc.

A much more valid argument could be had that they might be overly beholden to the industry that they are supposed to be supervising, and though there is far from a consensus on that question it is at least closer to the actual issue.



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RE: Tea party over THAT fast? - 11/10/2010 12:26:56 PM   
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From the Wall St Journal:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704353504575596591626268782.html

"Rand Paul comes with softer edges than his father, Ron Paul, who first won a seat in Congress in 1976. The difference was apparent on election night. At the convention hall next to the Holiday Inn, here in Mr. Paul's hometown, Rep. Paul introduced his son by Skype, hailing him as a politician "who stands for something" and is supported by a movement that is vigorous because "it is outside the party." No note of compromise with the Republican establishment there.

Father, and son, age 47, have different styles. Asked what he wanted to do in Washington in a Wednesday morning television interview, the senator-elect said that his kids were hoping to meet the Obama girls. He has made other concessions to the mainstream. He now avoids his dad's talk of shuttering the Federal Reserve and abolishing the income tax. In a bigger shift from his campaign pledge to end earmarks, he tells me that they are a bad "symbol" of easy spending but that he will fight for Kentucky's share of earmarks and federal pork, as long as it's doled out transparently at the committee level and not parachuted in in the dead of night. "I will advocate for Kentucky's interests," he says."




In my opinion, Rand Paul was extreme in his views and claimed not to be one that would compromise them.  I, for one, am glad to see he may not have been all that serious and is "softening around the edges".  Now....how the Tea Party sees it may be another thing. 


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RE: Tea party over THAT fast? - 11/10/2010 3:19:27 PM   
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Yea, if you didn't do that, people might start thinking the liberal party is more mature than the conservatives and you don't want that to happen do you?


maturity lessons from someone using a picture of baby stewie.... uh,.. lol


Missed the point again, now why am I not surprised?


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RE: Tea party over THAT fast? - 11/11/2010 4:07:02 AM   
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A clear message???  In 30 races the difference in votes was under 240,000 votes total.  So less than .001 percent of the populace, wow what a clear and powerful message

and for the last 80 years every mid term has had the same results, and this is not the largest change of seats.  And Just a thumbs up to Palin, because the GOP is crying she cost them the Senate with so many of the people she supported losing

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RE: Tea party over THAT fast? - 11/11/2010 6:20:25 AM   
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The "hate-spouting leftist radicals".

Tell me Richie, who is really spouting the hate?




You know RML, if you are going to participate in these discussions, it does place an obligation on you to keep up with what is happening in the world.

Let's go with a certain limousine lefty's recent racist crack about Marco Rubio looking like "a Central American dictator," for an example. Link

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RE: Tea party over THAT fast? - 11/11/2010 6:27:13 AM   
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Yea, if you didn't do that, people might start thinking the liberal party is more mature than the conservatives and you don't want that to happen do you?


maturity lessons from someone using a picture of baby stewie.... uh,.. lol


Missed the point again, now why am I not surprised?



lol... no one... and i mean absolutely no one... missed your point. its the same point you have time and time and time again.



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RE: Tea party over THAT fast? - 11/11/2010 7:05:11 AM   
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or maybe the charming lady in Allen Wests new "chief of staff"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/40099720#40099720
or does that not count  cos it wasnt "racist
or how about
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201011080039
for some paranoia, fear and  covering ones arse in case of overflowing hate?
Apologies for the linkys


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RE: Tea party over THAT fast? - 11/11/2010 7:13:31 AM   
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A clear message???  In 30 races the difference in votes was under 240,000 votes total.  So less than .001 percent of the populace, wow what a clear and powerful message

and for the last 80 years every mid term has had the same results, and this is not the largest change of seats.  And Just a thumbs up to Palin, because the GOP is crying she cost them the Senate with so many of the people she supported losing



ROFL Does spinning so much make you dizzy?

Who gives a rats ass what the difference in a local race represents of the total population? It is totally meaningless. All that matters is the difference as a percentage of those who care enough to vote in their local race. Most of those were very clear.

and no every mid-term in the last 80 years has not had the SAME result. if you are implying that it was just "vote the incumbents out". The percentage of Dem seats in play and lost compared to GOP seats in play and lost is greater than in those 80 years.

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RE: Tea party over THAT fast? - 11/11/2010 8:42:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Louve00

quote:

ORIGINAL: EternalHoH

From the Wall St Journal:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704353504575596591626268782.html

"Rand Paul comes with softer edges than his father, Ron Paul, who first won a seat in Congress in 1976. The difference was apparent on election night. At the convention hall next to the Holiday Inn, here in Mr. Paul's hometown, Rep. Paul introduced his son by Skype, hailing him as a politician "who stands for something" and is supported by a movement that is vigorous because "it is outside the party." No note of compromise with the Republican establishment there.

Father, and son, age 47, have different styles. Asked what he wanted to do in Washington in a Wednesday morning television interview, the senator-elect said that his kids were hoping to meet the Obama girls. He has made other concessions to the mainstream. He now avoids his dad's talk of shuttering the Federal Reserve and abolishing the income tax. In a bigger shift from his campaign pledge to end earmarks, he tells me that they are a bad "symbol" of easy spending but that he will fight for Kentucky's share of earmarks and federal pork, as long as it's doled out transparently at the committee level and not parachuted in in the dead of night. "I will advocate for Kentucky's interests," he says."

In my opinion, Rand Paul was extreme in his views and claimed not to be one that would compromise them.  I, for one, am glad to see he may not have been all that serious and is "softening around the edges".  Now....how the Tea Party sees it may be another thing. 


I guess you missed what he actually said, versus what some in the press wished he said.

Look here for his actual comments.

Firm


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RE: Tea party over THAT fast? - 11/11/2010 8:48:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: Louve00

quote:

ORIGINAL: EternalHoH

From the Wall St Journal:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704353504575596591626268782.html

"Rand Paul comes with softer edges than his father, Ron Paul, who first won a seat in Congress in 1976. The difference was apparent on election night. At the convention hall next to the Holiday Inn, here in Mr. Paul's hometown, Rep. Paul introduced his son by Skype, hailing him as a politician "who stands for something" and is supported by a movement that is vigorous because "it is outside the party." No note of compromise with the Republican establishment there.

Father, and son, age 47, have different styles. Asked what he wanted to do in Washington in a Wednesday morning television interview, the senator-elect said that his kids were hoping to meet the Obama girls. He has made other concessions to the mainstream. He now avoids his dad's talk of shuttering the Federal Reserve and abolishing the income tax. In a bigger shift from his campaign pledge to end earmarks, he tells me that they are a bad "symbol" of easy spending but that he will fight for Kentucky's share of earmarks and federal pork, as long as it's doled out transparently at the committee level and not parachuted in in the dead of night. "I will advocate for Kentucky's interests," he says."

In my opinion, Rand Paul was extreme in his views and claimed not to be one that would compromise them.  I, for one, am glad to see he may not have been all that serious and is "softening around the edges".  Now....how the Tea Party sees it may be another thing. 


I guess you missed what he actually said, versus what some in the press wished he said.

Look here for his actual comments.

Firm



So what else is new. A 50 post thread that totally ignores what someone actually said vs what they wish he said.

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RE: Tea party over THAT fast? - 11/11/2010 2:01:47 PM   
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The "hate-spouting leftist radicals".

Tell me Richie, who is really spouting the hate?




You know RML, if you are going to participate in these discussions, it does place an obligation on you to keep up with what is happening in the world.

Let's go with a certain limousine lefty's recent racist crack about Marco Rubio looking like "a Central American dictator," for an example. Link




Oh my Richie, I never realized how sensitive you conservatives are.

I promise in the future to keep in mind your delicate feelings and to make every liberal I know do the same.

It just breaks my heart to think of of all you proud conservatives crying and whimpering in the corner every time one of those evil liberal villains says something not nice to you.

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RE: Tea party over THAT fast? - 11/12/2010 11:47:11 AM   
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Wake up and smell the coffee.
Biggest change in the House in 70+ years.
And we won a bigger share of Senate races, and in tougher venues, than we did the House.

Every time I read or hear a lib talking about how weak Palin is I can smell the fear.... you guys really are just obsessed about the woman.

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RE: Tea party over THAT fast? - 11/12/2010 11:55:34 AM   
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You are familiar with  the military career of Representative West?
I think he has upward potential. Wondeful man.

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RE: Tea party over THAT fast? - 11/12/2010 2:26:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: Louve00

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ORIGINAL: EternalHoH

From the Wall St Journal:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704353504575596591626268782.html

"Rand Paul comes with softer edges than his father, Ron Paul, who first won a seat in Congress in 1976. The difference was apparent on election night. At the convention hall next to the Holiday Inn, here in Mr. Paul's hometown, Rep. Paul introduced his son by Skype, hailing him as a politician "who stands for something" and is supported by a movement that is vigorous because "it is outside the party." No note of compromise with the Republican establishment there.

Father, and son, age 47, have different styles. Asked what he wanted to do in Washington in a Wednesday morning television interview, the senator-elect said that his kids were hoping to meet the Obama girls. He has made other concessions to the mainstream. He now avoids his dad's talk of shuttering the Federal Reserve and abolishing the income tax. In a bigger shift from his campaign pledge to end earmarks, he tells me that they are a bad "symbol" of easy spending but that he will fight for Kentucky's share of earmarks and federal pork, as long as it's doled out transparently at the committee level and not parachuted in in the dead of night. "I will advocate for Kentucky's interests," he says."

In my opinion, Rand Paul was extreme in his views and claimed not to be one that would compromise them.  I, for one, am glad to see he may not have been all that serious and is "softening around the edges".  Now....how the Tea Party sees it may be another thing. 


I guess you missed what he actually said, versus what some in the press wished he said.

Look here for his actual comments.

Firm



Well, I went to your link and read the article, even watched the video to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding, because you're right, I tend to just trust how someone comprehended a thing unless they have shown to me that they don't comprehend like I would.  So...he went from saying he was firmly against earmarks and pork to "well...depending how they go about giving out the pork would be a different thing, if it benefitted Kentucky".  (paraphrasing, of course).  While he of course should be doing and taking help for the benefit of Kentucky because thats his state, after all.  To me, its backpeddling, when you start justifying good reasons to take that pork, that you were dead set against during your campaign, despite how much of a difference it actually makes.  Actually?  To me, its a typical politician...NOT the change the Tea Party claimed to bring. 




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RE: Tea party over THAT fast? - 11/12/2010 2:28:26 PM   
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So, he's for it, after he's agin it?

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RE: Tea party over THAT fast? - 11/12/2010 2:32:16 PM   
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Maybe its just been a long week for me.  I am taking it to mean, he still thinks earmarks and pork are wrong, no matter how small a difference it really makes, it just shouldn't be done.  **BUT**, if it goes through the right committee's and is approved for the right reasons), he would take help for his state of Kentucky.  Someone can correct me if I've interpretted it wrong.

**Edited to add....actually, I'm sure someone would be more than glad to correct me if I misinterpret it. 


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RE: Tea party over THAT fast? - 11/12/2010 2:44:44 PM   
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Well, I went to your link and read the article, even watched the video to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding, because you're right, I tend to just trust how someone comprehended a thing unless they have shown to me that they don't comprehend like I would.  So...he went from saying he was firmly against earmarks and pork to "well...depending how they go about giving out the pork would be a different thing, if it benefitted Kentucky".  (paraphrasing, of course).  While he of course should be doing and taking help for the benefit of Kentucky because thats his state, after all.  To me, its backpeddling, when you start justifying good reasons to take that pork, that you were dead set against during your campaign, despite how much of a difference it actually makes.  Actually?  To me, its a typical politician...NOT the change the Tea Party claimed to bring. 


We he said was he would go through the actual deliberative process, in which the value of projects for any state are weighed against the available funds and then only authorized what was the most critical, and what could be paid for.

That not "pork", that's the way it's suppose to work.

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RE: Tea party over THAT fast? - 11/12/2010 2:45:50 PM   
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Maybe its just been a long week for me.  I am taking it to mean, he still thinks earmarks and pork are wrong, no matter how small a difference it really makes, it just shouldn't be done.  **BUT**, if it goes through the right committee's and is approved for the right reasons), he would take help for his state of Kentucky.  Someone can correct me if I've interpretted it wrong.

**Edited to add....actually, I'm sure someone would be more than glad to correct me if I misinterpret it. 

Close enough.

Firm


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