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Man Dies After Pa. Police Use Taser on Him - 11/9/2010 5:44:29 PM   
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RE: Man Dies After Pa. Police Use Taser on Him - 11/9/2010 6:36:23 PM   
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Maybe he shouldn't have become combatant and aggressive with the police officers who were sent to help him.?

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RE: Man Dies After Pa. Police Use Taser on Him - 11/9/2010 8:19:32 PM   
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No way for them to know he had an erratic heart beat or such. And tasers in general are much better than being shot.

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RE: Man Dies After Pa. Police Use Taser on Him - 11/9/2010 8:23:07 PM   
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if you've been maced and you're still being aggressive that they need to taser you then yeah..sorry, not feeling sorry for the guy.

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RE: Man Dies After Pa. Police Use Taser on Him - 11/9/2010 8:54:10 PM   
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Rule #1 about dealing with the police. If someone has a gun, a big assed stick, handcuffs, pepper spray and a taser, DONT fukin argue with him.

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RE: Man Dies After Pa. Police Use Taser on Him - 11/10/2010 1:08:29 AM   
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A Lancaster County man died after police used a Taser on him early Saturday morning. The State Police Major Case Team continues to investigate. Robert Neill Jr., 61, died after he become unresponsive after police used a Taser on him twice and sprayed him with Mace, state police said. The incident happened at about 4 a.m. Saturday at Neill's home in the 300 block of Marietta Avenue in Mount Joy. Several police departments assisted, including Mount Joy Borough police, Susquehanna Regional police and state police from Ephrata. According to police, Neill said that he had been harassed by his neighbors. When officers arrived, they said Neill was combative and aggressive. That is when officers used a Taser on him and sprayed with Mace him. Neill died on the way to the hospital. "Police officers acted appropriately and used the proper amount of force to subdue Mr. Neill," said state police Lt. William White. The State Police Major Case Team continues to investigate. An autopsy is scheduled for Monday. Taser policies can vary from department to department.

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RE: Man Dies After Pa. Police Use Taser on Him - 11/10/2010 6:05:37 AM   
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Tasers and mace should not be standard issue police tools.

The generations of cops that walked a beat before today's breed had but a nitestick, a gun, and their BRAINS to diffuse a situation. Once you introduced these new suspect-immobilizing tools, the cops operating them became DUMBER. They no longer HAD to use their brains.



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RE: Man Dies After Pa. Police Use Taser on Him - 11/10/2010 6:22:33 AM   
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It still horrifies me when people say someone deserved to die, just because they were pissed off at police



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RE: Man Dies After Pa. Police Use Taser on Him - 11/10/2010 6:35:25 AM   
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quote:

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Tasers and mace should not be standard issue police tools.

The generations of cops that walked a beat before today's breed had but a nitestick, a gun, and their BRAINS to diffuse a situation. Once you introduced these new suspect-immobilizing tools, the cops operating them became DUMBER. They no longer HAD to use their brains.



Indeed.

During a good bit of my upbringing I lived in a pretty decent neighborhood but in walking to the store I traveled through poorer areas and witnessed incidents such as these on a somewhat regular basis.

One or several persons in such situations might be in any sort of inebriated and/or uncooperative state, but never once did I see even a night stick used. The cops knew this neighborhood and were well experienced in these situations. Sometimes they just kept a distance at first and talked the guy down or let him wear himself out for a couple of minutes, other times they might take him down almost right away and cuff him. They used the tools of discretion, tact, forceful demand, judgment, alertness to when quick assertive action was needed to prevent further escalation, etc.

Lack of brains or not, are we to believe now that things are such that two or more supposedly healthy young cops can not subdue an inebriated 61 yr. old man with out resorting to mace and taser gun immediately?

Do they even make them do a few push-ups in police training anymore?




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RE: Man Dies After Pa. Police Use Taser on Him - 11/10/2010 7:41:24 AM   
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Did anyone here say he deserved to die ?

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RE: Man Dies After Pa. Police Use Taser on Him - 11/10/2010 8:35:10 AM   
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It still horrifies me when people say someone deserved to die, just because they were pissed off at police




Too bad nobody said that.

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RE: Man Dies After Pa. Police Use Taser on Him - 11/10/2010 11:58:46 AM   
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It still horrifies me when people say someone deserved to die, just because they were pissed off at police




Too bad nobody said that.


Post #4.    --  not in those exact words--  but-  cold  none-the-less. 

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RE: Man Dies After Pa. Police Use Taser on Him - 11/10/2010 12:08:11 PM   
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that's why they call them "less then lethal" instead of "non lethal"

oh, any one check out the new tasers they have that can fire from shot guns
Fucking kick ass

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RE: Man Dies After Pa. Police Use Taser on Him - 11/10/2010 1:34:28 PM   
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" Don't taze me bro "

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RE: Man Dies After Pa. Police Use Taser on Him - 11/10/2010 2:43:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwynn

quote:

ORIGINAL: EternalHoH

Tasers and mace should not be standard issue police tools.

The generations of cops that walked a beat before today's breed had but a nitestick, a gun, and their BRAINS to diffuse a situation. Once you introduced these new suspect-immobilizing tools, the cops operating them became DUMBER. They no longer HAD to use their brains.



Indeed.

During a good bit of my upbringing I lived in a pretty decent neighborhood but in walking to the store I traveled through poorer areas and witnessed incidents such as these on a somewhat regular basis.

One or several persons in such situations might be in any sort of inebriated and/or uncooperative state, but never once did I see even a night stick used. The cops knew this neighborhood and were well experienced in these situations. Sometimes they just kept a distance at first and talked the guy down or let him wear himself out for a couple of minutes, other times they might take him down almost right away and cuff him. They used the tools of discretion, tact, forceful demand, judgment, alertness to when quick assertive action was needed to prevent further escalation, etc.

Lack of brains or not, are we to believe now that things are such that two or more supposedly healthy young cops can not subdue an inebriated 61 yr. old man with out resorting to mace and taser gun immediately?

Do they even make them do a few push-ups in police training anymore?





Put yourself in the shoes of the police officers. What would you rather do? Putting hands on any person opens yourself up to being hurt yourself. A 61 year old man with liquid courage can still be hell on wheels. And you can't ascertain until after a search what that individual might have on them to use as a weapon. What if that individual decides to start biting? What if they have some disease? What if, what if, what if.

Any law enforcement officer is taught to play the "what if..." game. And in almost any situation, the safest answer for the police officer in any what if scenario is the use of intermediate weapons. OC, tasers, etc.

Now perhaps if you had police officers that were better talkers, the situation MIGHT be different. The problem is, you can't teach being personable to someone who just plain isn't.



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RE: Man Dies After Pa. Police Use Taser on Him - 11/10/2010 3:15:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: EternalHoH

Tasers and mace should not be standard issue police tools.

The generations of cops that walked a beat before today's breed had but a nitestick, a gun, and their BRAINS to diffuse a situation. Once you introduced these new suspect-immobilizing tools, the cops operating them became DUMBER. They no longer HAD to use their brains.



Oh, bullshit!

The cops that had those nightsticks used them.

The taser just gave them an easier and more politically correct way to do the same thing.

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RE: Man Dies After Pa. Police Use Taser on Him - 11/10/2010 3:25:11 PM   
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I have never been combative with the police, but I think I would rather be tazed than beaten with a nite stick.

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RE: Man Dies After Pa. Police Use Taser on Him - 11/10/2010 3:29:57 PM   
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Did anyone here say he deserved to die ?


nope, but where did I say it was anyone here, oooh thats right, I didnt....did I?
I read other boards other comments, other news,
you can save your guilty conscience for another day, you didnt say he deserved to die.




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RE: Man Dies After Pa. Police Use Taser on Him - 11/10/2010 3:37:39 PM   
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Man Dies After Pa. Police Use Taser on Him

They get a little happy with those things being they are "less dangerous" than most.

My brother is a Detective and has told me some stories.

In a local town I once lived in they was a story in the paper where the cops had killed a mentally ill patient at a clinic. Sad story.

The statement issued here seems the standard bullshit response to protect the backside of the police force. "Police officers acted appropriately and used the proper amount of force to subdue Mr. Neill," said state police Lt. William White.

Killing someone isn't subduing them. It'll be interesting to know a little more about the story before we pass the "I hate pigs" bumper stickers out.


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