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Reasonable -> RE: Bathroom Rules (4/27/2006 9:50:30 PM)

Remember that not every girl is prone to this issue. A responsible Dominant would have asked about health issues-and if this came up-would use another method.

I wish people didn't think we were all total idiots.[&:]



pissdoll -> RE: Bathroom Rules (4/27/2006 9:51:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Reasonable

And people bitching about back up's and uti'S?



i was not aware that i was "bitching" about UTI's.
obviously, with my name being pissdoll, i LOVE all aspects of pissplay.

that being said...i get cm mail all the time from female subs/slaves asking me questions.  quite often, they have been involved in play that has caused minor infections.  which isn't a big deal until they ignore it and wake up at 2am burning and urinating blood.  and then they send me mail instead of seeking medical help immediately.

so here's a forum on power play and piss.  education is a bad thing???



Reasonable -> RE: Bathroom Rules (4/27/2006 9:55:49 PM)

Not at all,but let's also not demonize the entire thing because a small proportion get issues with it.

Once in a thread is informative,five times is nagging. [&:]



perverseangelic -> RE: Bathroom Rules (4/27/2006 10:26:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Reasonable
I wish people didn't think we were all total idiots.[&:]


Horrible as it sounds, sometimes it's safer to assume that. I think I'd probably rather be whapped over the head with safety issues, and say politely that I already knew that, than have someone fail to say something I -didn't- know.


Didn't seem as though we were demonizing. I figured it'd be good to reinforce something, becuase it -is- a problem with a lot of individuals. Obviously I expect one's partner will consider this stuff, but it never hurts to remind people.

Done with the thread hijack. Onward!




Reasonable -> RE: Bathroom Rules (4/27/2006 10:32:17 PM)

I understand,back to the topic.[;)]



bekah78 -> RE: Bathroom Rules (4/27/2006 10:48:11 PM)

I have really enjoyed reading this thread as it has brought back memories, humor and some really great information.

I once stayed a week on vacation with a M/s couple and she had to ask to go to the bathroom every time, public or private. While I was there visiting, the same rule was applied to me. It was very interesting although at first was a little awkward.



Reasonable -> RE: Bathroom Rules (4/27/2006 10:52:36 PM)

My sense of humor is somewhat,hmmm.....off.

But if you can't enjoy yourself,what's the point?[;)]



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Bathroom Rules (4/28/2006 6:08:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PlayfulOne

Its just funny that someone who claims to be into long term confinemnt and chasity would scratch his head over this "micro managing".  He doesn't think anyone is controlling his bathroom gioings were he to be locked up for hours?

K

I think since you have the rule only when she's in your presence, that it's a pretty reasonable request.  It's not like she has to try and track you down while she's at work or at a party with friends.

But when you're together, it's not that big a deal generally to say "Is it ok if I go pee?"  And neither is "Is it ok if I eat now?"

And I have to say that myself personally would MUCH prefer to just wear depends at night rather than wake up someone, make them fumble to unlock my chains (more noise), drag my ass out of bed, go pee, and then drag my ass and get locked in again.




Reasonable -> RE: Bathroom Rules (4/28/2006 6:13:48 AM)

It does make things easier overall. But your attitude is the minority one I guess. Most are too busy being freaked out to realize any difference.



heartfeltsub -> RE: Bathroom Rules (4/28/2006 6:23:57 AM)

In my time in this lifestyle, when i have mentioned in the past that i am into piss play, i usually get from a great many (though not all) submissives that i might mention this to a general reaction of "eeewww". Again please note i am not saying all.

i am one who does get UTI's more often than i would like and while i haven't done the diaper thing, my ex-Master did make me use a bucket and nothing but a bucket for a toilet when at home (again not at work). So the order for at night was, the bucket was to be in the room with a long enough chain on so that i could reach it to use it, i was not to wake Him at night. He was not really into the diaper thing.

So there are ways around UTI's if one is creative with piss play.

heartfelt



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Bathroom Rules (4/28/2006 6:28:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: heartfeltsub
So there are ways around UTI's if one is creative with piss play.

heartfelt

Whenever people get squicked about piss play I always flashback to last years Leather Retreat which was pretty much a "piss-a-thon" and many a person who started the weekend with an "ew" attitude towards it, ended the weekend with a "who cares?" or "cool!" attitude.

I'm not into the play in general, but I don't get squicked by it either.



Reasonable -> RE: Bathroom Rules (4/28/2006 6:38:28 AM)

Again,it comes down to hygiene and not having an idiot for a top. If you are going to keep someone diapered for any period of time,you use good cleaning techniques,and skin barrier cremes. And modern protection is made to keep moisture away from the skin-remember that these are designed for people who "leak" constantly.

I think one of the reasons this is causes problems is lazy tops who don't understand the fact that if you use a control method-especially a basic one like this-you are now in a caretaker role. Which means work-and not being a dumbass about it.

I've only ever had one sub get a uti. And not once was it from being kept in diapers,or bathroom control. It was because she was addicted to fisting-and lied to me about her hygeine (saying she had washed and showered more than she actually had.) I always used gloves and sterile techniques to do this-but if your partner is just plain dirty-you're playing russian roulette.

She got a raging fever,a bad infection and I had to take her into the er to get antibiotics. She ended up NEEDING diapers for about three days afterwards-and I took care of her during the entire time she recovered.

Needless to say,the activity that had caused this stopped after that-I was not about to take the risk, knowing what had made it occur.So yes, I am QUITE aware of this problem-which was one reason that incesssant harping over it grated on my nerves.

In over a decade of some very extreme forms of play-that was the WORST physical issue that ever resulted from anything I did. And I consider it a black mark on my record now.

When you are the one responsible for health and well being you had DAMN well better think things out well in advance.



Reasonable -> RE: Bathroom Rules (4/28/2006 6:40:34 AM)

Exactly la,those who don't-bitch.
Those who do-know.[;)]



heartfeltsub -> RE: Bathroom Rules (4/28/2006 6:41:08 AM)

Again a very wise response. You are very correct. 



ownedgirlie -> RE: Bathroom Rules (4/28/2006 6:43:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross


But when you're together, it's not that big a deal generally to say "Is it ok if I go pee?"  And neither is "Is it ok if I eat now?"



Agreed.  What IS a big deal, is if I don't ask.  [;)]



Reasonable -> RE: Bathroom Rules (4/28/2006 6:59:19 AM)

I don't think my attitude is so much wise (which can be an ego trap making one anything  but-if you self apply the term) as simply practical.

What works,works-and if it does not,you simply modify technique and structures until it does. And there are no hard and fast rules-every time you introduce a varible-you must make changes to how things are done.



Mercnbeth -> RE: Bathroom Rules (4/28/2006 7:21:25 AM)

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What turn on is it to micro-manage someone's life like that? I dont get it.


Wee Itty,
Therein your quote lies the needed understanding. When there is a decision to live in a 24/7 M/s relationship every activity, be it described as "micro-managing" or not, is not necessarily a "turn on" nor does it have to be. A common question we receive and see posted is "how do you keep the dynamic going 'all or time' or in a 'vanilla' setting? Requiring permission for the mundane is the answer.

Is seems we are 2 for 2 in the recent threads. (3 for 3 if the smoking thread implied needing permission.) We use third person speech, and beth is required to ask bathroom permission anytime we are together. It extends should we happed to be IMing during the day. Now sometimes it IS a "turn on". Sometimes it leads to something else. Sometimes she's required to perform a task prior to receiving permission. Sometimes the place she is required to go is specified. As anything else within our "construct matrix" it serves a purpose for US. As a Master it isn't micro-management it's living 24/7 as M/s by our unique definition, for us.

Now before someone starts this thread; we'd be 4 for 4 if someone asks if ankle/wrist cuffs are worn at every opportunity, in and outside the home, whenever possible. 

Regarding the "depends" reply. Sure it was an effort to be humorous, but it also reflects reality at our home sometimes. Not as punishment or as reward but just because...



Reasonable -> RE: Bathroom Rules (4/28/2006 7:30:52 AM)

Nice Reply Merc.
I never forget that people who have not experienced a reality have a hard time dealing with it.I think that micromanagement is a worn out term-often used as a dissmissal.

You don't really have to "manage" competent property-You train them-and they do what's expected. But a reenforcement of place and status gives a sense of comfort and security-to both parties involved. So little games like bathroom control,etc.....aren't really in the category of "micromanagement".

As much as they show one cares.[;)]

Otherwise,why go to the bother?



RiotGirl -> RE: Bathroom Rules (4/28/2006 10:32:15 AM)

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.LOL...maybe cherished one should then of just laid on you and went..(grin)..Tempting


LOL tempting, sounds like something i'd think up and contemplate.  The fact that i'd be cleaning it up kind of ruins the fun



RiotGirl -> RE: Bathroom Rules (4/28/2006 10:35:15 AM)

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I used to have bathroom rules. I would have to ask if i could please use the bathroom Master and also was not allowed to close the door. His reasoning was i was his slave, that meant no privacy for me.


Himself says the sameeeeeeeee thing.  Sometimes to my horror he'll sit there and watch me and i'm generally lucky if i can go before he gets bored and starts counting to 5 and not die of embarressment.  Being watched usually makes me not have to go.. but of course its not an option.



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