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Targellian -> Chivalry is not dead (4/27/2006 4:55:13 PM)

When I was a kid, I loved the idea of Knights in Shining Armour... Chivalry, slaying mighty dragons, riding to the rescue of damsels in distress... if they were tied up, all the better, but any old damsel would do.

When I got older, I read more about Chivalry, and the ideals it upheld. There are seven 'Noble Virtues' that a true Knight must uphold... and I think any Dom/me worth the name should look at them, and compare his or her own standards against those of the Knights of old...


Prowess, Loyalty, Largess, Courtesy, Humility, Piety and "Franchise"...which I'll describe later...

Prowess goes without much extra to say... the ability to defend yourself, those who come to you for protection, and your way of life.

Loyalty is something else that needs no real embelishment. It's something that most people understand, even if they don't adhere to the idea, they grasp it as a concept.

Largess... a more modern translation might be 'Generosity'. Sharing not just material things, but also less substantial things like Love, Knowledge, Friendships.

Courtesy. Good manners cost nothing. Opening a door for a woman is the tip of the iceburg. Please and Thank You should be automatic, not something you withhold out of spite.

Humility. This is something I've been told is wrong for a Dom/me to aspire to... that is somehow betrays and undermines their powerbase. If you are self-confident, what does it matter how you behave? Arrogance is not a sign of Dominance, and Humility is not a sign of submission.

Piety. This is a hard one for me. I'm an Atheist, so I have denied all Gods... but that doesn't mean I cannot still defend something I believe in. In my case, I believe in people and the power they hold within themselves. But Piety also allows a person the ability to accept the idea that what others believe is not automatically wrong. Piety is not Intolerance... it is Understanding.

Franchise doesn't translate well into an English word... It is about having pride in the ideals you stand for. Becoming a beacon for others like you to see and associate with... this website is an ideal example. A place for people to meet others who think the same way. Not being afraid to stand up to your critics and say to them "This is what I am... deal with it, or ignore it... but NEVER try to subjugate me because I do not want to be like you"



masterdeltafire -> RE: Chivalry is not dead (4/27/2006 4:59:54 PM)

LOL LOL LOL  here in houston if you open a car door or be nice to a girl, or even *GASP give her flowers she will ram them down throat.

I used to be a  hopeless romantic.. Still can be at times.  Long ago you could pay a girl a compliment and it was appreciated.  now they just slap the hell out of men for saying hello to them.. LOL..  Chivalry isn't dead yet, but this generation will take care of it.



EbonyFtshGoddess -> RE: Chivalry is not dead (4/27/2006 5:07:36 PM)

i love chivalry and proper manners.

honestly, and this may sound wholly anal, impeccable table manners are nearly tops on my list. perhaps i can blame that on my charm school training, but people tend to eat like pigs at a trough in restaurants.

if a male doesn't know enough to stand when i leave the table and stand again when i return, then he doesn't get a second date. (hey.. we all have our deal breakers)

also, if we're walking down the street, and a man doesn't know he should walk on the outside closest to traffic- once again.. no second date.

i definitely appreciate males to open any door for me.

it's so rare that people have manners anymore, even women. some women can't take a respectful man.. and most men don't know how to be respectful..

my just take on it.





cuddleheart50 -> RE: Chivalry is not dead (4/27/2006 5:14:20 PM)

I love it when a man holds the door open for me,or opens the door for me.  I smile at him and say thank you.  Manners is something we all shoud have. 



Reasonable -> RE: Chivalry is not dead (4/27/2006 5:15:04 PM)

I always try to be a gentelman-if nothing else, it makes me feel like I have some class.

I'm big on manners and protocol-and have been known to tell snoopy guests who insist on poking abou,.and handling my things, phrases like "What do you think this is,Wallmart?"

Ditto for showing up unnanounced-or bringing people along, with first asking if it's ok.

As far as out in public with property-I'm naturally protective.

It can be in interesting dichotomy......I can still be polite and smiling, doing the most horribly degrading and painful things to someone for my amusement. I guess it's all in the attitude-crude is only for shock value.[:)]



bignipples2share -> RE: Chivalry is not dead (4/27/2006 5:19:03 PM)

Most people don't even know why a man is supposed to walk closest to the traffic, let alone do it. The basis was so that women would not be endangered, have mud slung on their long dresses, and to also let other men know that they were not hookers.



masterdeltafire -> RE: Chivalry is not dead (4/27/2006 5:19:52 PM)

You know ebony, if we were closer a candlelight dinner might just sound devine sometime and a walk on the beach, and maybe a sunset or two.

Tis been ages since I have seen one enjoy those things. Who knows could always bring a pet or two and let them frolick :)




missturbation -> RE: Chivalry is not dead (4/27/2006 5:21:36 PM)

I have several questions about this post.
Why is it that doms should be the only ones to show 'chivalry'?
Is it not something that a sub could do too?
Surely qualities such as loyalty, courtesy and humility work both ways/
In this day and age there is no reason why a woman should not be chivalrous too.
Is it not ok for a woman to buy a man flowers?
Is it not ok for a woman to open a door for a man?
I met a sub who liked me to open the door for him and i had no problem in doing this. It did not make him any less of a 'knight'.



losttreasure -> RE: Chivalry is not dead (4/27/2006 5:23:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: masterdeltafire

LOL LOL LOL  here in houston if you open a car door or be nice to a girl, or even *GASP give her flowers she will ram them down throat.

I used to be a  hopeless romantic.. Still can be at times.  Long ago you could pay a girl a compliment and it was appreciated.  now they just slap the hell out of men for saying hello to them.. LOL..  Chivalry isn't dead yet, but this generation will take care of it.



There are still graceful women in Texas who appreciate gallantry.  ;)



ScooterTrash -> RE: Chivalry is not dead (4/27/2006 5:24:38 PM)

No, Chivalry is not dead, but is seems many do not appreciate it as much these days. I will still open a door, pay a compliment, pick up the check and do that awful terribly unappreciated (I'm being sarcastic here) deed of buying flowers. All too often in the quest to seek equality, sometimes females have forgotten how to accept the simple gestures of someone just being a gentleman. I honestly think it's a small minority and it's society brainwashing for the most part...I can even understand why but I didn't create the in-equality so I'd like to think it's not my fault. It's not a Domme, sub or slave thing however as I have met many of all of the above who know that I'm not being being submissive or trying to patronize them by being nice...I think they sense I just love women and that's just me. Of course if it's not appreciated, I can take a hint...might grumble a bit, but I take the hint anyway.



EbonyFtshGoddess -> RE: Chivalry is not dead (4/27/2006 5:31:20 PM)

quote:

Most people don't even know why a man is supposed to walk closest to the traffic, let alone do it. The basis was so that women would not be endangered, have mud slung on their long dresses, and to also let other men know that they were not hookers.


YES!!

precisely.. although.. i must admit.. my gramma first told me about that when i was like 10.. she mentioned the prostitute thing.

then like.. 3 months ago i went on a date and he told me the mud thing..

i definitely appreciate that.. it's something i've taught my 4 year old son.

although..lol i don't let him walk on the outside when he walk..honestly, i'd rather get hit than him of course.. but he tries!




EbonyFtshGoddess -> RE: Chivalry is not dead (4/27/2006 5:33:05 PM)

i love the simple things..

although.. believe it or not.. i've only had ONE candlelit dinner..

but it was really nice.. the candles did make a nice like.. atmosphere..

lol @ bringing a pet or two.. naah. i'd rather leave my needy ass attention whore slaves at home waiting for me to return.. trust me.. they'd do something to fuck it up.. i have the most spoiled slaves and they get so jealous of other men in my life whom are not other subs.. they HATE my dominant partners..





EbonyFtshGoddess -> RE: Chivalry is not dead (4/27/2006 5:34:19 PM)

quote:

I have several questions about this post.
Why is it that doms should be the only ones to show 'chivalry'?
Is it not something that a sub could do too?


yes.. subs can too.. i dont want a mannerless man around me at all.- sub or not



DelightMachine -> RE: Chivalry is not dead (4/27/2006 5:35:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: masterdeltafire
LOL LOL LOL  here in houston if you open a car door or be nice to a girl, or even *GASP give her flowers she will ram them down throat.

Has this really happened to you? I've never had any bad reactions to opening a door for a woman, at least not here in the Northeast. I've never had any bad reactions to any chivilrous acts.

And every Domme I've been with has absolutely loved it. Every vanilla woman I've dated had the same reaction.



EbonyFtshGoddess -> RE: Chivalry is not dead (4/27/2006 5:44:17 PM)

you know.. once.. i saw a gentleman  rush to open a door before the woman could get to.

what a BITCH she was. . she barked at him.. literally verbatim "what is this? the STONE ages? i'm more than capable of opening my own doors THANK YOU!"

she snatches the door out of his hands and huffs her stupid ass on in.

needless to say we were both like.. umm ok..

and i waited patiently for him to open the door to me.

as much as i hate to say it.. the feminist movement really fucked a lot of things up for women.. but hey.. i can vote now!

oh wait.. that was suffrage

my bad



CrappyDom -> RE: Chivalry is not dead (4/27/2006 6:23:55 PM)

The problem with chivalry is too many men use it as an excuse to shower women with unwanted attention.  I say that living in the land of PC...California, there are plenty of women who enjoy genuine chivalry, it is just rather rare.



masterdeltafire -> RE: Chivalry is not dead (4/27/2006 6:24:09 PM)

Grins at ya.

One of these days in houston, look me  up girl.  I'll have the candles and light music ready :) just make it before sunset :) They are pretty sitting on the shores of Galveston. *purrs at the thought.

quote:

ORIGINAL: EbonyFtshGoddess

i love the simple things..

although.. believe it or not.. i've only had ONE candlelit dinner..

but it was really nice.. the candles did make a nice like.. atmosphere..

lol @ bringing a pet or two.. naah. i'd rather leave my needy ass attention whore slaves at home waiting for me to return.. trust me.. they'd do something to fuck it up.. i have the most spoiled slaves and they get so jealous of other men in my life whom are not other subs.. they HATE my dominant partners..






masterdeltafire -> RE: Chivalry is not dead (4/27/2006 6:26:53 PM)

More often than not, yes.  And if you open doors for women in houston, prepare to let go quickly before they slam the door on your fingers. Oh yes, tis happened many a time.  Sometimes my catlike reflexes aren't up to par anymore.

quote:

ORIGINAL: DelightMachine

quote:

ORIGINAL: masterdeltafire
LOL LOL LOL  here in houston if you open a car door or be nice to a girl, or even *GASP give her flowers she will ram them down throat.

Has this really happened to you? I've never had any bad reactions to opening a door for a woman, at least not here in the Northeast. I've never had any bad reactions to any chivilrous acts.

And every Domme I've been with has absolutely loved it. Every vanilla woman I've dated had the same reaction.



TemptingNviceSub -> RE: Chivalry is not dead (4/27/2006 6:31:53 PM)

Manners?..whats not to like?.As a woman I always appreciate it when a door is held open for me, when this does happen (rarely), I always look the person in the face, smile and politely thank him/her..I think it creates a wonderful feeling of happiness in a person when this sort of exchange takes place and makes all feel good with the world for that moment in time..be well..Tempting



Level -> RE: Chivalry is not dead (4/27/2006 6:42:13 PM)

 
quote:

ORIGINAL: losttreasure

There are still graceful women in Texas who appreciate gallantry. ;)


Yes there are. And has anyone told you that you resemble a young Kay Bailey Hutchinson? (Regardless of your politics, I mean that as a compliment, lol)






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